race discussions on the board

[man]

really tired of them. bores me to death,
pops up everywhere. leave your race at
the checkin when you come here, this
is about boxing.

[sucracristo]

seems like there are a lot of people on this board who make 100% of their
comments based on identity politics and not on actual boxing. it's like
if someone is from this group or that group, then that is going to determine
virtually everything they have to say about the boxer.

[Boxerbeetle]

I agree. Ban them all, fvcking morons. People like that are the death of forums.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

From your mouth to god's ears.

Though it seems the chief catalyst for the recent spate of race-talk, "Killer Kovalev", has been banned already.

[man]

here is what i do not like about this race thing:
i always have to question what i think due to a
factor i do not care about. i realise that most of
the time i am really not aware of what a race a
boxer is. not kidding. i am so much used to see
fights of blacks, whites, hispanics, asians that it
just doesn't enter the equation. in the recent
discussion i had really forgotten that ward was
black and i cannot help it, i believe many people
feel more or less the same.

i understand why it is a big thing in society and
so on and so forth, but it is not any more in boxing
in general. damned, it is a hundred years since
jack johnson. no one makes ATG lists with racial
bias and is not booed from the stage. so please
leave it out until there is something blatant and
needs to be addressed.

and for floyd: he has proven he is the biggest fighter
of this generation and the biggest a$$hole too. so
outside of pure fighting, just ignore what he says.
here is a guy who connects the hookers he is hiring
in dozens with his kids. this man has a very weird
perception on reality in general, so why should it be
any better with his views on race.

[stevedoc]

I agree. Ban them all, fvcking morons. People like that are the death of forums.

before i used boxrec i would go on yahoo answers boxing section and it went completely down hill when 2 idiots with multiple accounts keep on about the colour of boxers ,it went both ways with one black surpremacist and some greek kid that i can only think caught his mum getting banged by a black dude . i lost a couple of accounts as when i complained the dick heads would use their mulitple accounts to report me and if you got 3 complaints you'd be barred . i'm pretty sure one of them is here using more than one account and he's been involved in a lot of the recent race rows ...am i right keith...

[Tony1244]

I wish the people on here who root for their race 100% of the time would just ADMIT IT.
But they never do.
I'm white, and as a kid in the 1970s I had no memory of a white heavyweight champion.
Some one might call me a racist here, but the fact is all the white kids I knew, including myself, rooted for Quarry, Cooney or Bobick against their black opponents.
And guess who the black kids rooted for?
Now, I'm still white, didn't have any pigmentation surgery like Michael Jackson, but I'm rooting for Martin and Wilder against their respective white opponents.
Why the change? Because I like seeing things I've never seen before. I had never seen a white real heavyweight champion or a black president until the Klitschkos and Obama respectively.
Instead of calling people racist, and I may be called that, we should try to have a discussion as to WHY and in WHAT instances, if any, we support our own race.

[Undefeated49-0]

I wish the people on here who root for their race 100% of the time would just ADMIT IT.
But they never do.
I'm white, and as a kid in the 1970s I had no memory of a white heavyweight champion.
Some one might call me a racist here, but the fact is all the white kids I knew, including myself, rooted for Quarry, Cooney or Bobick against their black opponents.
And guess who the black kids rooted for?
Now, I'm still white, didn't have any pigmentation surgery like Michael Jackson, but I'm rooting for Martin and Wilder against their respective white opponents.
Why the change? Because I like seeing things I've never seen before. I had never seen a white real heavyweight champion or a black president until the Klitschkos and Obama respectively.
Instead of calling people racist, and I may be called that, we should try to have a discussion as to WHY and in WHAT instances, if any, we support our own race.

It's called being "conditioned". Your (not necessarily saying you but I'm generalizing) family does it, society does it, the media does it by placing us into classes, races, colors and ethnic categories so you have been duped before you even had a chance to figure things out for yourself regarding how you should feel about our differences.

I loved Boom Boom Mancini as a fighter, I never cared about race or color in the sport because the skill of a fighter and often times how one fought made me respect who they were. Gatti and Ward will always be two of my favorite fighters because of the way they brought it, I liked Cooney a lot but it did piss me off when he got dirty and swung at the nutsack of fighters the same way it did when Golota (who I liked a lot too) did against Bowe.

I'm of the variety that I want to see a clean fight, hitting below the belt, rabbit punching, wrestling has no place in the ring and I don't care what your skin color is, if you do those things often or intentionally then I will not respect or like you as a fighter.

I remember that piece of sh*t James Butler because he is a cowardly piece of sh*t who cheapshotted Richard Grant, things like this are what makes me hate a fighter.

It shouldn't ever be because of a fighter's nationality, skin color or whatever, it should be because of his skill or the way he fights that we should come to appreciate them or not like them.

[Horse]

It shouldn't ever be because of a fighter's nationality, skin color or whatever, it should be because of his skill or the way he fights that we should come to appreciate them or not like them.

People can support or dislike a fighter for whatever reason they want.

As long as they don't spout illogical, hateful rubbish against fighters they don't like then I don't care.

[Tony1244]

It shouldn't ever be because of a fighter's nationality, skin color or whatever, it should be because of his skill or the way he fights that we should come to appreciate them or not like them.

People can support or dislike a fighter for whatever reason they want.

As long as they don't spout illogical, hateful rubbish against fighters they don't like then I don't care.

Exactly. You can't begrudge a Puerto Rican guy for rooting for a Puerto Rican. Or a Ukrainian or anyone. But just be respectful, and don't say things about fighters that are patently stupid.

A sportswriter said years back, some whites would march with Martin Luther King but still root for Jerry Quarry. So it's complicated. Just be honest about it, and don't be an idiot.

[MachoTime]

here is what i do not like about this race thing:
i always have to question what i think due to a
factor i do not care about. i realise that most of
the time i am really not aware of what a race a
boxer is. not kidding. i am so much used to see
fights of blacks, whites, hispanics, asians that it
just doesn't enter the equation. in the recent
discussion i had really forgotten that ward was
black and i cannot help it, i believe many people
feel more or less the same.

i understand why it is a big thing in society and
so on and so forth, but it is not any more in boxing
in general. damned, it is a hundred years since
jack johnson. no one makes ATG lists with racial
bias and is not booed from the stage. so please
leave it out until there is something blatant and
needs to be addressed.

and for floyd: he has proven he is the biggest fighter
of this generation and the biggest a$$hole too. so
outside of pure fighting, just ignore what he says.
here is a guy who connects the hookers he is hiring
in dozens with his kids. this man has a very weird
perception on reality in general, so why should it be
any better with his views on race.

It's too bad isn't it. A Great fighter like Mayweather can't escape his personality downfall's. So it makes it a catch 22 discussion on the message boards. Basically Mayweather brought it on himself his personality outside of fighting.

[Ricky_]

I agree. For the sake of the forum racist pish should be deleted. Unsurprisingly Brut is the biggest culprate. I can understand how annoying it is for the mods constantly having to ban him and his merry-go-round of new accounts every few weeks.

[Tanzio]

I don't think that people should be banned for discussing race issues related to boxing but I think threads centered on those issues should be quickly moved to the Offal Topic section.

[MachoTime]

That would put Brut in the off topic section for life.

[Tanzio]

That would put Brut in the off topic section for life.

. . . where he belongs.

There are a few posters on Current Scene that strangle it like giant constrictors. They have specific agendas and they lure the usual suspects into mind numbing back and forth exchanges on a juvenile level.

What little sense of humor they demonstrate is artificial. It is the same crap over and over and over.

[man]

Instead of calling people racist, and I may be called that, we should try to have a discussion as to WHY and in WHAT instances, if any, we support our own race.

tony, i respect your honesty and do get your
point, but this is a BOXING board and we should
only discuss why we support BOXERS, and exactly
NOT their RACE. i guess there are boards called
tolerancerec or racerec, but this one here happens
to be named BOXrec for a reason. i am wholeheartedly
not interested in either a boxers or a posters race.
this is not why i am here and i hate to see discussions
being spoiled by the subject over and over again with
no reasonable point ever being reached, simply because
there IS NO reasonable point. rather it is endless back
and forths coming from all kinds of angles that have
nothing to do with boxers.

i would say it needs to be discussed if this was the
1910s or 20s or even sixties, but heaven on earth, no
one disputes that black boxers can be fantastic boxers,
and the same goes for puerto rican, mexican, asian and
so on. and the whites have their fair share too. if you do
not bring the race question from outside into boxing
today, there is simply only a very, very weak case to be
made. and floyd mayweather of all people, the pinnacle
of the sport, earning more in one fight than the combined
ATGp4p top ten, being praised and honoured as an ATG
himself, he complains about race being a big factor in
boxing ... please. just ... please.

[man]

It's too bad isn't it. A Great fighter like Mayweather can't escape his personality downfall's. So it makes it a catch 22 discussion on the message boards. Basically Mayweather brought it on himself his personality outside of fighting.

i don't mind. he is a great boxer, i do not
need to listen to him. no big deal.

[man]

I don't think that people should be banned for discussing race issues related to boxing but I think threads centered on those issues should be quickly moved to the Offal Topic section.

i think it just needs enough awareness of
the board. chilli down the racers and it an
few weeks or months things settle down.

[Tony1244]

Instead of calling people racist, and I may be called that, we should try to have a discussion as to WHY and in WHAT instances, if any, we support our own race.

tony, i respect your honesty and do get your
point, but this is a BOXING board and we should
only discuss why we support BOXERS, and exactly
NOT their RACE. i guess there are boards called
tolerancerec or racerec, but this one here happens
to be named BOXrec for a reason. i am wholeheartedly
not interested in either a boxers or a posters race.
this is not why i am here and i hate to see discussions
being spoiled by the subject over and over again with
no reasonable point ever being reached, simply because
there IS NO reasonable point. rather it is endless back
and forths coming from all kinds of angles that have
nothing to do with boxers.

i would say it needs to be discussed if this was the
1910s or 20s or even sixties, but heaven on earth, no
one disputes that black boxers can be fantastic boxers,
and the same goes for puerto rican, mexican, asian and
so on. and the whites have their fair share too. if you do
not bring the race question from outside into boxing
today, there is simply only a very, very weak case to be
made. and floyd mayweather of all people, the pinnacle
of the sport, earning more in one fight than the combined
ATGp4p top ten, being praised and honoured as an ATG
himself, he complains about race being a big factor in
boxing ... please. just ... please.

I respect your points and honesty as well and I wouldn't say that just to say that. Having said that, the thread is called "race discussions on the board," so I thought it was the proper place. I do greatly admire your color blindness, I think that is the way we ought to go. I just think it is sometimes good to be honest about your past, and the sad reality that race issues still exist, yet often exagerated by the media.

But the stereotypes have been braking down in sports, business, politics and thats a good thing.

[Undefeated49-0]

It shouldn't ever be because of a fighter's nationality, skin color or whatever, it should be because of his skill or the way he fights that we should come to appreciate them or not like them.

People can support or dislike a fighter for whatever reason they want.

As long as they don't spout illogical, hateful rubbish against fighters they don't like then I don't care.

I don't disagree with this at all.

[Undefeated49-0]

Why do some posters here continually claim that Vitaly was beating Lennox when in fact Lennox was dishing it out at Vitaly from the first round? Could that have something to do with race or homosexual feelings? I bet it does.

Impractical Asshole is going to say you're being racist for this post towards Vitaly because his skin is white.

[Energizer]

Why do some posters here continually claim that Vitaly was beating Lennox when in fact Lennox was dishing it out at Vitaly from the first round? Could that have something to do with race or homosexual feelings? I bet it does.

???????? are you deluded, trolling or both

58-56 58-56 58-56 on all 3 judges at the time of stoppage by a CUT

So seems like your odd view has something to do with race.
End Of Discussion

[caldo2025]

Racism is alive and well in Boxing as the sport has always been well behind the times so I think that topic is still worth a discussion IF the participants of the discussion are intelligent enough and mature enough to have healthy exchanges.

But recently, I have just had it with one individual who refers to me as a Bigot and Racist repeatedly just because I dislike Floyd and like GGG. The worst part about the insults is that i've never said anything remotely racially charged and he went out of his way to insinuate the label. This person uses this insult in almost every exchange he's losing in on this site with other posters as well.

I think that most people know who i'm referring to. He's a guy that gets banned from a Boxing site continuously for this sort of thing but keeps coming back. He's actually posted something on this topic as well, acting like he's NOT the problem and the reason the topic was created.

Anyway, i'm done with exchanges of any kind with this individual. Racist or Not.

[Energizer]

apart from Rigo and Crawford there is no other top black fighters it seems..There seems to be a high quantity of black boxers.. but few top class ones.

[Tony1244]

I was at a party the other day and a woman said it's great to see so many blacks and whites hanging out together where they live. She was scolded by someone for bringing up race as if she shouldn't even have noticed. I think both meant well, but I believe she did nothing wrong. I was in a similar debate with someone here.

There is a point that this thread could have been in the "Off topic- Everything else" section.