Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko: Are They All-Time Greats

[Tuan_Jim]

Stories of athletic drugs cover ups are coming out of Germany and Russia on a weekly basis.

[Freedom2013]

Stories of athletic drugs cover ups are coming out of Germany and Russia on a weekly basis.

Really, Brut?

What has that to do with Wladimir Klitschko?

And what about the story of your hero Floyd Mayweather, and the cover-up of his IV injection before the Pacquiao fight?

And what about your other heroes: Andre Berto, "Roid" Jones, Antonio Tarver, Lamont PEDerson, Shannon Briggs, Evan Fields and James "Belly's Out" Toney?

Wladimir Klitschko has never tested positive and never had an IV injection before a fight like Floyd. He's fought in various countries, including several times in the USA.

[BoxBuzz]

A lot of your accusations are gossip........

something of the high school variety.....

and yes some are a matter of record and ruling.

Might be good to keep the official record and the gossip on separate tracks.



Unless True and False are somehow passé' these days.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- TUE, 49-0, cleaning up boxing, can't squash a bug with a piledriver with a promoter who stays out of light and sight in some Vegas bunker, but such is the model of modern metroman fandom, so thus it is on these threads.

Klitschkos came from a country with no professional boxing background, yet were able to run through the Don King gauntlets to seize total control of the heavyweight title as they simultaneously neutered a couple of generation of American and British heavyweights and fans. Well done and a damn sight better than enduring the extended past their expiration date tubby versions of Ali and Holmes.

And give me tubby Tua anyday who only blasted through 4 past and future heavy champs like they were Teletubby heavy bags, Ruiz, Rahman, Maeskav, and Moorer, something tubby Ali and Holmes could never accomplish. Yeah, guys, keep up the good work.

[Bodyshot3]

depends on your definition of 'clean' I suppose....

Fair as always point Counter Puncher

As regards to this thread, I was primarily alluding to the fact that they were rarely seen falling out of nightclubs or crawling back from all-night benders and seemed to take things like diet, rest and recuperation very seriously. Raising the bar even higher perhaps?

These guys were seriously disciplined in that respect; Wlad's idea of 'chilling' seemed to be charity work and going kite surfing!

But I get the other angle as well without entirely agreeing with it when it comes to the K brothers.

[Tuan_Jim]

Stories of athletic drugs cover ups are coming out of Germany and Russia on a weekly basis.

Really, Brut?

What has that to do with Wladimir Klitschko?

And what about the story of your hero Floyd Mayweather, and the cover-up of his IV injection before the Pacquiao fight?

And what about your other heroes: Andre Berto, "Roid" Jones, Antonio Tarver, Lamont PEDerson, Shannon Briggs, Evan Fields and James "Belly's Out" Toney?

Wladimir Klitschko has never tested positive and never had an IV injection before a fight like Floyd. He's fought in various countries, including several times in the USA.

I'm utterly confused as to who do you think I am. I have no idea who the heck Brut is, but plenty of regulars here can confirm I am not him and that list of fighters you provided is totally incongruous with my 'heroes'. I must be Mayweather's biggest critic on here.

Anyway, back to normalacy. Have you recanted on your Lennox Lewis ducked Wladimir story?

[Tuan_Jim]

Also, while we're at it, what is 'TUE'? This childish man BroughtonRulesRefuge keeps writing it in his weird slangy posts. Is TUE a boxer or some internet abbreviation?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Also, while we're at it, what is 'TUE'? This childish man BroughtonRulesRefuge keeps writing it in his weird slangy posts. Is TUE a boxer or some internet abbreviation?

LOL, he was banned for as long time. Total moron, only person i have on ignore. I was surprised when I came back and he was posting.

Tunney(freedom) is a white supremacist Klitschko adorer. He doesn't even post in this forum but if the Klitschko's are mentioned his bat alarm goes off and he hungrily comes to defend the objects of his desire.

Vitali has been caught, of course his little brother would never do what most athletes have.

They were always prepared, no disputing that.

[pound per pound]

I was looking at these brothers records and I am trying to see your views on them. Are the Klitschkos brothers all-time greats in your book?

Where would you rank them at ATG Top 20 heavyweights?

Where would you rank them ATG top 100 p4p?

Wlad made 18 title defenses at heavyweight. His brother was at par with him reigning for a long period of time.

Should they get any love from the posters?

I will try to see if I could debate in their favor. Let's debate with class and order, please!

1 ) Top 10-20 for both. The dominance, longevity, and consistency were there. Top level opponents were in shorter supply when they were active. In a head to head matchup, a better ranking I think as too many past greats were too small to match up with them.

2 ) Pound for pound does not apply to men 240 or more pounds, does it? I can't say where they rate because 245 pounds is double the amount of weight of some fighters and 70 pounds heavier than middle weight! You can say Mayweather and Calzaghe were highly skilled men, and the Klitschko's were just as hard to outpoint and be correct.

[Counter-puncher]

depends on your definition of 'clean' I suppose....

Fair as always point Counter Puncher

As regards to this thread, I was primarily alluding to the fact that they were rarely seen falling out of nightclubs or crawling back from all-night benders and seemed to take things like diet, rest and recuperation very seriously. Raising the bar even higher perhaps?

These guys were seriously disciplined in that respect; Wlad's idea of 'chilling' seemed to be charity work and going kite surfing!

But I get the other angle as well without entirely agreeing with it when it comes to the K brothers.

I got you mate, sorry, was being a bit flip with my cherrypicking quote there...

[BoxBuzz]

Also, while we're at it, what is 'TUE'? This childish man BroughtonRulesRefuge keeps writing it in his weird slangy posts. Is TUE a boxer or some internet abbreviation?

LOL, he was banned for as long time. Total moron, only person i have on ignore. I was surprised when I came back and he was posting.

Tunney(freedom) is a white supremacist Klitschko adorer. He doesn't even post in this forum but if the Klitschko's are mentioned his bat alarm goes off and he hungrily comes to defend the objects of his desire.

Vitali has been caught, of course his little brother would never do what most athletes have.

They were always prepared, no disputing that.

Damn Saad leave a little room in a boxing forum for some old fashioned hero worship without pinning some sort of hate crime to it. I know a lad right here on this forum that thinks the world of a certain Detroit fighter.

[Tuan_Jim]

Also, while we're at it, what is 'TUE'? This childish man BroughtonRulesRefuge keeps writing it in his weird slangy posts. Is TUE a boxer or some internet abbreviation?

LOL, he was banned for as long time. Total moron, only person i have on ignore. I was surprised when I came back and he was posting.

Tunney(freedom) is a white supremacist Klitschko adorer. He doesn't even post in this forum but if the Klitschko's are mentioned his bat alarm goes off and he hungrily comes to defend the objects of his desire.

Vitali has been caught, of course his little brother would never do what most athletes have.

They were always prepared, no disputing that.

Ah, I see - and who is TUE now? Is TUE this bizarre 'Freedom2013' man who seems to think that I'm someone called 'Brut' who is obsessed with Floyd Mayweather, Lamont Peterson and Andre Berto? Christ knows what I must have written to make him think I'm the same man. And who the hell is a fan of Andre Berto?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Also, while we're at it, what is 'TUE'? This childish man BroughtonRulesRefuge keeps writing it in his weird slangy posts. Is TUE a boxer or some internet abbreviation?

LOL, he was banned for as long time. Total moron, only person i have on ignore. I was surprised when I came back and he was posting.

Tunney(freedom) is a white supremacist Klitschko adorer. He doesn't even post in this forum but if the Klitschko's are mentioned his bat alarm goes off and he hungrily comes to defend the objects of his desire.

Vitali has been caught, of course his little brother would never do what most athletes have.

They were always prepared, no disputing that.

Damn Saad leave a little room in a boxing forum for some old fashioned hero worship without pinning some sort of hate crime to it. I know a lad right here on this forum that thinks the world of a certain Detroit fighter.

Tunney has always been a racist, well known in cs. He's just not foolish enough to press the issue into a banning. But I'll help him out, if brut is anyone, its caldo. As for hearns, he's the man. Anybody that doesn't like Tommy is mentally ill.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Also, while we're at it, what is 'TUE'? This childish man BroughtonRulesRefuge keeps writing it in his weird slangy posts. Is TUE a boxer or some internet abbreviation?

LOL, he was banned for as long time. Total moron, only person i have on ignore. I was surprised when I came back and he was posting.

Tunney(freedom) is a white supremacist Klitschko adorer. He doesn't even post in this forum but if the Klitschko's are mentioned his bat alarm goes off and he hungrily comes to defend the objects of his desire.

Vitali has been caught, of course his little brother would never do what most athletes have.

They were always prepared, no disputing that.

Ah, I see - and who is TUE now? Is TUE this bizarre 'Freedom2013' man who seems to think that I'm someone called 'Brut' who is obsessed with Floyd Mayweather, Lamont Peterson and Andre Berto? Christ knows what I must have written to make him think I'm the same man. And who the hell is a fan of Andre Berto?

no idea what tue is. I can only assume it was from a brought on post I didn't read.

[Tuan_Jim]

Ah, so the Lewis ducked Wladimir fantasy came from the imagination of a banned racist. It's all falling into place now.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Broughton was banned, freedom is the racist. Now you're up to speed.

[BoxBuzz]

LOL, he was banned for as long time. Total moron, only person i have on ignore. I was surprised when I came back and he was posting.

Tunney(freedom) is a white supremacist Klitschko adorer. He doesn't even post in this forum but if the Klitschko's are mentioned his bat alarm goes off and he hungrily comes to defend the objects of his desire.

Vitali has been caught, of course his little brother would never do what most athletes have.

They were always prepared, no disputing that.

Damn Saad leave a little room in a boxing forum for some old fashioned hero worship without pinning some sort of hate crime to it. I know a lad right here on this forum that thinks the world of a certain Detroit fighter.

Tunney has always been a racist, well known in cs. He's just not foolish enough to press the issue into a banning. But I'll help him out, if brut is anyone, its caldo. As for hearns, he's the man. Anybody that doesn't like Tommy is mentally ill.

Is that a fact?

Let me demonstrate my unbalanced mental state for you.

First of all, I know we speak with one voice when we fully agree that Hearns best choice would be to turn and run if Archie were to be so cruel as to call him out, in their mutual LHW primes. Now don't go giving excuses, as they both held light heavy belts, so let's not hear any sort of "rationale" about one being better within a different weight class than the other. Champions are champions, and it's not manly to hide behind sensible or reasonable long winded explanations. These two highly regarded LHW champions would enter the ring, and one would have his way with the other in plain and simple fashion.

Hearns would walk out wonderin' who turned off the lights in the middle of the fight.

Somewhat Along the lines of a Hearns Duran extravaganza with bit of a table turn.

Do not respond to this, as it is purely definitive and requires no follow up.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Moore is greater than Tommy. That being said, if they fought a series. They'd both be stopped.

[magwitch]

If I was a moderator I'd auto pop that every time he types DelaHoya it says the great.

De la Hoya WAS great. His record attests to it. I always thought that De la Hoya looked like an extremely orthodox, upright fighter. Unflamboyant, not extraordinary. But his record proves the opposite, imho.

Elmer hates him.

Ah ok, then that would be amusing

[yancey]

Answer to topic question....

No and heck no.

[Jpreisser]

I'll wait until Wladimir has retired to place him. He's still going at it. But I would note that, for as much as it is said that Wladimir lacks fortitude, he sure picked himself up well after his losses. I recall him at least trying to get up after every knockdown, too. But the strength of schedule will always haunt him, unless he miraculously beats Fury and then proceeds to down a number of other top rated contenders.

My remembrance is a little different :TU
The samuel peter knockdowns were more like a tall big guy running away with his back turned at times and going down from back punches and slaps

If he has confidence in his chin and fights aggressively he will stop fury.

Two of those knockdowns were the result of fouls, but whether they were legitimate or not, my main point stands: Klitschko showed heart enough to not pack it in. I mean if he was such a delicate flower, he could have rested on his laurels after being bested in two by Sanders.

I actually think it would be in Klitschko's best interest to just come out swinging. His timidity in the first go-round will likely give the impression to Fury that much the same is in order, only a few more punches. He would catch him by surprise and help dismiss some of the negativity surrounding his career. If he wins, it's a nice notch for a heavyweight his age; if he loses, well, at least he went out on his shield.

[Tuan_Jim]

Wladimir does try hang in there when he's hurt, we must give him that. The main difference between Sanders, Brewster and Peter was that Peter was in horrible condition. That combined with his raw, crude style contrived to let Wladimir off the hook. He was ready to go.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Anyone thinking Hearns would have a chance against Arch has too many fat cells choking off that barricaded brain cell in his larded behind.

The hijacking of the topic of Klitschko is typical of this forum. Best to best only a few heavies might have a chance, but of course you sweeties can only poorly use their few failures to disgust.

[Tuan_Jim]

The thing is, the Klitschkos are always at their best. Everything is so weighted in their favour, and they are never without a full training camp - so when they collapse or quit that was them at their best. Every man who was willing to force a fight with Wlad beat him, except the obese Sam Peter who was without the fitness or ability to close the show.

[Bodyshot3]

The thing is, the Klitschkos are always at their best. Everything is so weighted in their favour, and they are never without a full training camp - so when they collapse or quit that was them at their best. Every man who was willing to force a fight with Wlad beat him, except the obese Sam Peter who was without the fitness or ability to close the show.

There's a strong element of truth in that.

Corrie Sanders - to his lasting credit - most definitely went for it against Wlad and had the power to make things happen.
David Haye did not push things against Wlad and paid the price.

My only comment is that the brothers were markedly different; the best version of Vitali did not mind a firefight and he was a good deal better at them than Wlad in terms of exchanging shots and not getting buzzed.

Meanwhile, Wlad looked more comfortable than his brother with quick, more technically polished opponents (the caveat of Fury inserted).

Fully appreciate that Sanders had dropped a few notches when he met Vitali, however he was definitely 'live' for a few rounds and the way Vitali handled him was much better.

Basically - I always rated Vitali as the far better and more natural gun-slinger.