Anyone else surprised by how long it took Wilder to stop Szpilka?

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Anyone else surprised by how long it took Wilder to stop Szpilka?

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Now the knockout was spectacular but Szpilka definietly doesnt have the best durability going on past fights so I was a little shocked that he lasted as long as he did and without ever looking particularly rocked or anything until the brutal stoppage. Is Wilder's power a lot less than his record suggests (I know it's heavily padded anyway to make him look better) or has Szpilka suddenly developed a decent chin?

I'm starting to question Wilder's power even more.
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I think it was more a case of Wilder not managing to land clean blows rather than him lacking power. As soon as he landed flush, it resulted in a truly brutal ko.
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lefty wrote:Now the knockout was spectacular but Szpilka definietly doesnt have the best durability going on past fights so I was a little shocked that he lasted as long as he did and without ever looking particularly rocked or anything until the brutal stoppage. Is Wilder's power a lot less than his record suggests (I know it's heavily padded anyway to make him look better) or has Szpilka suddenly developed a decent chin?

I'm starting to question Wilder's power even more.
Spilzka was stopped only once before in the last round of a fight and from that you get that only now might he be "developing" a good chin?

Spilzka has a better chin than a lot of Heavies out there right now, including the current lineal champ.

Only heavy I favor over Wilder right now is Ortiz
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koolkc107 wrote:
lefty wrote:Now the knockout was spectacular but Szpilka definietly doesnt have the best durability going on past fights so I was a little shocked that he lasted as long as he did and without ever looking particularly rocked or anything until the brutal stoppage. Is Wilder's power a lot less than his record suggests (I know it's heavily padded anyway to make him look better) or has Szpilka suddenly developed a decent chin?

I'm starting to question Wilder's power even more.
Spilzka was stopped only once before in the last round of a fight and from that you get that only now might he be "developing" a good chin?

Spilzka has a better chin than a lot of Heavies out there right now, including the current lineal champ.

Only heavy I favor over Wilder right now is Ortiz
He was also dropped heavily in both fights against a journeyman basically in Mike Mollo and he was also dropped by some other lower level journeyman whose name I cant even think of at the moment. Ignoring that aswell, Jennings isnt a big puncher.
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There's nothing wrong with the force of Wilder's punches, his physical strength or athleticism; it's his shocking ineptitude in every single other facet of the game that allowed Szpilka to last so long.
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Datsue wrote:There's nothing wrong with the force of Wilder's punches, his physical strength or athleticism; it's his shocking ineptitude in every single other facet of the game that allowed Szpilka to last so long.
Yeah that could be a fair point.
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Wilder had the typical problems an orthodox guy has with a southpaw,
especially one doing a lot of crouching and weaving.

Spilzka, to his credit, was very tactical in his approach.

It didn't win many rounds but it definitely kept him in the fight longer.

But if folks want to believe it was Wilder's shortcoming, that's fine.

NO ONE has got Spilzka out of there faster, tho.
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Wilder has legit KO power thats for sure.

But when he steps into the ring with a guy like Tyson Fury he is going to lose every single round, did you see how wild he was? He was letting himself open so many times and actually looked a little bit gased by the 9th round with the Polish fighter being fresher.

Wilder has skills, but he really doesnt know how to use them. His Jab is very good but he rarely used it in the fight, when he did he was in total control, I actually had Szpilka ahead 5-3 at the time of the stoppage and was really looking forward to go to those final rounds.. Wilder really has not chance against Fury-Ortiz-Haye
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Szpilka just fought smarter than usually and Wilder rarely landed anything clean, so this had nothing to do with chin.

BTW, it looks like the KO was so devastating that Szpilka pissed himself.
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Aaronide_ger wrote:Wilder has legit KO power thats for sure.

But when he steps into the ring with a guy like Tyson Fury he is going to lose every single round, did you see how wild he was? He was letting himself open so many times and actually looked a little bit gased by the 9th round with the Polish fighter being fresher.

Wilder has skills, but he really doesnt know how to use them. His Jab is very good but he rarely used it in the fight, when he did he was in total control, I actually had Szpilka ahead 5-3 at the time of the stoppage and was really looking forward to go to those final rounds.. Wilder really has not chance against Fury-Ortiz-Haye
Let's not get confused.

Tyson had a beautiful game plan for Wlad.

But it wasn't like he was poetry in motion; he was awkward as hell beating Klitschko too.

And the blueprint Tyson used for Wlad wont work on Wilder or any of the other heavies.

Because, unlike Wlad, they will come after Fury.

Stiverne is much better technically than Fury and Wilder solved him.

Tyson will not be hard for Deontay to figure out.
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Re: Anyone else surprised by how long it took Wilder to stop Szpilka?

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Aaronide_ger wrote:Wilder has legit KO power thats for sure.

But when he steps into the ring with a guy like Tyson Fury he is going to lose every single round, did you see how wild he was? He was letting himself open so many times and actually looked a little bit gased by the 9th round with the Polish fighter being fresher.

Wilder has skills, but he really doesnt know how to use them. His Jab is very good but he rarely used it in the fight, when he did he was in total control, I actually had Szpilka ahead 5-3 at the time of the stoppage and was really looking forward to go to those final rounds.. Wilder really has not chance against Fury-Ortiz-Haye
No chance? A HW with Wilder's power always has a chance.
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gregor wrote:Szpilka just fought smarter than usually and Wilder rarely landed anything clean, so this had nothing to do with chin.

BTW, it looks like the KO was so devastating that Szpilka pissed himself.
I honestly thought the guy was dead for a moment.

And one thing the deceased do is piss and crap themselves postmortem...
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I thought that Wilder would dispatch him in 5 or less. I chose round three on the PTBF. Szpilka had a good strategy and Wilder looked like a drunk preying mantis at times.
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Re: Anyone else surprised by how long it took Wilder to stop Szpilka?

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koolkc107 wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:Wilder has legit KO power thats for sure.

But when he steps into the ring with a guy like Tyson Fury he is going to lose every single round, did you see how wild he was? He was letting himself open so many times and actually looked a little bit gased by the 9th round with the Polish fighter being fresher.

Wilder has skills, but he really doesnt know how to use them. His Jab is very good but he rarely used it in the fight, when he did he was in total control, I actually had Szpilka ahead 5-3 at the time of the stoppage and was really looking forward to go to those final rounds.. Wilder really has not chance against Fury-Ortiz-Haye
Let's not get confused.

Tyson had a beautiful game plan for Wlad.

But it wasn't like he was poetry in motion; he was awkward as hell beating Klitschko too.

And the blueprint Tyson used for Wlad wont work on Wilder or any of the other heavies.

Because, unlike Wlad, they will come after Fury.

Stiverne is much better technically than Fury and Wilder solved him.

Tyson will not be hard for Deontay to figure out.
You are so clueless. Wilder will not be able to dictate the fight from the outside against Fury as Tyson's jab is better. The advantages Wilder has had against smaller fighters will not be available to him against Fury. Having said that, if Wilder lands a bomb Fury will go to sleep, I simply don't see Wilder landing one against the bigger and lankier Fury.
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Re: Anyone else surprised by how long it took Wilder to stop Szpilka?

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Baby Face Finster wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:Wilder has legit KO power thats for sure.

But when he steps into the ring with a guy like Tyson Fury he is going to lose every single round, did you see how wild he was? He was letting himself open so many times and actually looked a little bit gased by the 9th round with the Polish fighter being fresher.

Wilder has skills, but he really doesnt know how to use them. His Jab is very good but he rarely used it in the fight, when he did he was in total control, I actually had Szpilka ahead 5-3 at the time of the stoppage and was really looking forward to go to those final rounds.. Wilder really has not chance against Fury-Ortiz-Haye
Let's not get confused.

Tyson had a beautiful game plan for Wlad.

But it wasn't like he was poetry in motion; he was awkward as hell beating Klitschko too.

And the blueprint Tyson used for Wlad wont work on Wilder or any of the other heavies.

Because, unlike Wlad, they will come after Fury.

Stiverne is much better technically than Fury and Wilder solved him.

Tyson will not be hard for Deontay to figure out.
You are so clueless. Wilder will not be able to dictate the fight from the outside against Fury as Tyson's jab is better. The advantages Wilder has had against smaller fighters will not be available to him against Fury. Having said that, if Wilder lands a bomb Fury will go to sleep, I simply don't see Wilder landing one against the bigger and lankier Fury.
Clueless enough to realize how heavily Tyson's game plan against Wlad depended on Wlad
being himself and NOT wanting to engage or mix it up.

Can he rely on that for Wilder? For Joshua? For Ortiz?

Fury is extremely hittable if you are willing to risk getting hit by what is coming back.

I am also clueless enough to realize which man between the two will seek to use height and reach and it
wont be Wilder. Unfortunately for Fury, Deontay is one fo the few men out there who WILL NOT have a big
problem with Tyson's size.
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Baby Face Finster wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:
Aaronide_ger wrote:Wilder has legit KO power thats for sure.

But when he steps into the ring with a guy like Tyson Fury he is going to lose every single round, did you see how wild he was? He was letting himself open so many times and actually looked a little bit gased by the 9th round with the Polish fighter being fresher.

Wilder has skills, but he really doesnt know how to use them. His Jab is very good but he rarely used it in the fight, when he did he was in total control, I actually had Szpilka ahead 5-3 at the time of the stoppage and was really looking forward to go to those final rounds.. Wilder really has not chance against Fury-Ortiz-Haye
Let's not get confused.

Tyson had a beautiful game plan for Wlad.

But it wasn't like he was poetry in motion; he was awkward as hell beating Klitschko too.

And the blueprint Tyson used for Wlad wont work on Wilder or any of the other heavies.

Because, unlike Wlad, they will come after Fury.

Stiverne is much better technically than Fury and Wilder solved him.

Tyson will not be hard for Deontay to figure out.
You are so clueless. Wilder will not be able to dictate the fight from the outside against Fury as Tyson's jab is better. The advantages Wilder has had against smaller fighters will not be available to him against Fury. Having said that, if Wilder lands a bomb Fury will go to sleep, I simply don't see Wilder landing one against the bigger and lankier Fury.
I don't think one big punch will be enough anyway unless it's something incredible, Wilder doesn't hit as hard as Wlad and he banged Fury on the chin with a few solid right hands and he was still standing after every one of them. He didn't land as many as we've become accustomed to over the years, but at one point, I think it might have been in the 9th, Wlad landed two right hands back to back on Fury's chin and he stood right in front of him and punched back.
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Boxerbeetle wrote:I think it was more a case of Wilder not managing to land clean blows rather than him lacking power. As soon as he landed flush, it resulted in a truly brutal ko.
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I think Wilder was looking for the early KO. He should have just been patient, and I'd bet the KO would have come earlier. He was really trying to force it.

As far as his power is concerned, I don't question it. While he is a tall HW, he is on the lighter end of the scale.
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Not surprised about how long it took to stop him, more concerned about the fact that the Americans have zero ideas on boxers welfare after such a huge knockout. Did anyone see any oxygen? Nope because there was none. It took nearly 5 minutes for the paramedics to even get into the ring and all they did was stare at szpilka. Even when szpilka was being taken out of the ring on a stretcher there was still no oxygen being administered. It's not going to be long before someone either dies or suffers major brain injury simply because the Americans cannot get their acts together in terms of basic medical care. Take a leaf from the BBbc and change now before it is to late. However quite some punch. ......
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lefty wrote:Now the knockout was spectacular but Szpilka definietly doesnt have the best durability going on past fights so I was a little shocked that he lasted as long as he did and without ever looking particularly rocked or anything until the brutal stoppage. Is Wilder's power a lot less than his record suggests (I know it's heavily padded anyway to make him look better) or has Szpilka suddenly developed a decent chin?

I'm starting to question Wilder's power even more.
It wasn't really a question of Wilder's power, he just couldn't even make contact with Szpilka most of the night. Up until that KO shot in the 9th he'd only connected about 2 or 3 significant power shots at best all night.

Power is the one thing that Wilder legitimately has. His technical skills, and ability to deliver that power are what's flawed.
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I was actually more surprised that he actually succeed to KO Szpilka.
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Wilder is a monster.

Anyone that can put to sleep a tough Pole with one punch is a legend in the making.

Could Fury send Szpilka home on a stretcher? He'd have his hands full just winning.

God, I can't wait to see Wilder buy that colorless lout Povetkin, a one-way ticket on the Siberian Express, courtesy of the division's best puncher since Foreman.
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SenorPipino wrote:Wilder is a monster.

Anyone that can put to sleep a tough Pole with one punch is a legend in the making.

Could Fury send Szpilka home on a stretcher? He'd have his hands full just winning.

God, I can't wait to see Wilder buy that colorless lout Povetkin, a one-way ticket on the Siberian Express, courtesy of the division's best puncher since Foreman.
Povetkin is no Szpilka, senator.
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Tanzio wrote:
SenorPipino wrote:Wilder is a monster.

Anyone that can put to sleep a tough Pole with one punch is a legend in the making.

Could Fury send Szpilka home on a stretcher? He'd have his hands full just winning.

God, I can't wait to see Wilder buy that colorless lout Povetkin, a one-way ticket on the Siberian Express, courtesy of the division's best puncher since Foreman.
Povetkin is no Szpilka, senator.
Senator?

I hope you're not confusing me with Bernie Sanders, that socialist/communist who would probably be a fervent Povetkin suppporter.

But I think you're wrong. Povetkin is just another Szpilka.
A contender (by devalued current day standards) with limited skills who has no business in the ring with the Pride of Alabama.

I doubt, however, that Povetkin is as tough and gutsy as Szpilka.

The Pole displayed desire last night. I didn't see much of that trait when the Russian was punked a few years ago by Klitschko.
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SenorPipino wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
SenorPipino wrote:Wilder is a monster.

Anyone that can put to sleep a tough Pole with one punch is a legend in the making.

Could Fury send Szpilka home on a stretcher? He'd have his hands full just winning.

God, I can't wait to see Wilder buy that colorless lout Povetkin, a one-way ticket on the Siberian Express, courtesy of the division's best puncher since Foreman.
Povetkin is no Szpilka, senator.
Senator?

I hope you're not confusing me with Bernie Sanders, that socialist/communist who would probably be a fervent Povetkin suppporter.

But I think you're wrong. Povetkin is just another Szpilka.
A contender (by devalued current day standards) with limited skills who has no business in the ring with the Pride of Alabama.

I doubt, however, that Povetkin is as tough and gutsy as Szpilka.

The Pole displayed desire last night. I didn't see much of that trait when the Russian was punked a few years ago by Klitschko.
That was Wilders 3rd consecutive voluntary defense. Are you stupid? You say Povetkin has no business being in the ring with Wilder. Yet hes earn the mandatory. Wilder wont fight Povetkin because he'll lose. He'll try his best to fight Martin so he doesn't have to fight his mandatory. As unification fights take precedence over mandatory's.
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