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[scartissue]

Always wanted to check this one out. The second title bout between Sho Saijo and Frankie Crawford. A tight, close, evenly contested bout. In fact, I will say it is probably the closest fight I've ever scored. I always heard about the Saijo jab and it is good. It is a hard jab as opposed to Frankie's which is sharp and more of a point-getter. On the other hand Frankie had that sharp left hook and visibly hurt Saijo in the 4th round. Terrific contest and if anyone scores this, be on guard, the Japanese audience scream at everything Saijo throws. So don't be swayed. here we go, 5 point must in effect.

Round 1: 5-5 Even
Round 2: 5-4 Saijo
Round 3: 5-5 Even
Round 4: 5-4 Crawford
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-4 Saijo
Round 7: 5-4 Crawford
Round 8: 5-5 Even
Round 9: 5-4 Saijo
Round 10: 5-4 Saijo
Round 11: 5-4 Crawford
Round 12: 5-4 Crawford
Round 13: 5-4 Crawford
Round 14: 5-4 Crawford
Round 15: 5-4 Saijo (if anyone scores this round even I wouldn't bat an eye)

Total: 70-69 Crawford

So close with a total of 4 even rounds which is the most I think I've ever had in a 15 rounder. Saijo really took his foot off the pedal in rounds 11-14, which Frankie took advantage of. it was desperation that had him throwing hell for leather in the 15th, but Frankie's work inside with short combos was also very impressive and again, I wouldn't bat an eye if anyone had the 15th even. Very good contest.

[Counter-puncher]

As usual your report and card make me want to check out a fight I never saw, ir even heard of, scar tissue, so as usual, thanks.

[scartissue]

No problem, Counter, and you won't be disappointed. Although you might find the closeness of some of these rounds a bit infuriating. Good luck.

[Seamus]

Jung Koo Chang vs German Torres III
119-110 Jung Koo Chang.

Torres won the 4th and the 2nd was even Chang took the rest. Very one sided bout evidenced by my scorecard, Torres was game but outgunned.

Humberto Gonzalez vs Jung Koo Chang

R1.10-10
R2.10-9 JKC
R3.10-9 JKC
R4.10-9 JKC
R5.10-10
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 HG
R8.10-9 JKC
R9.10-9 HG
R10.10-9 HG
R11.10-9 HG
R12.10-8 HG (no knockdown, but Chang taking a beating)

Humberto Gonzalez 116-114

Maybe I scored this fight like an honorary South Korean judge, since there were none and Chang lost by 7-8-10 pts, but I really did see it being much closer than the cards, and this despite wanting to see Chang get his dirty little ass kicked in a bout I'd never watched more than a very short portion of. Chang fought his heart out throwing punches in bunches till the final round, while Gonzalez didn't begin fighting with a real sense of urgency till about the 9th. Before that he just seemed secure in the fact that he was the bigger puncher and could take Chang's best shots. In the 12th, Chang looked ready to go but managed to stay on his feet till the bell.

[scartissue]

Seamus, you were much kinder to Chang than I was. Here is my card.

Round 1: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 4: 10-9 Chang
Round 5: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 8: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 9: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 10: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 11: 10-9 Gonzalez
Round 12: 10-9 Gonzalez

Total: 119-111 Gonzalez

I was disappointed enough with Chang - although tough as nails - but what was with the holding and hitting? I will say that this was the tail end of a great career he had and there were glimpses of what he had brought to the table earlier in his career. But it was Gonzalez' cleaner punching for me in this one.

[milpool]

A random fight I watched at the weekend was Trevor Berbick v Melvin Foster: -

Round 1 - Foster
Round 2 - Berbick
Round 3 - Foster
Round 4 - Foster
Round 5 - Berbick
Round 6 - Berbick
Round 7 - Berbick
Round 8 - Berbick
Round 9 - Even
Round 10 - Foster

96-95 to Berbick which mirrors one of the official scorecards.

It was by no means a classic but the 40 year old Berbick did enough to frustrate his much younger opponent who came in looking a bit fleshy. Berbick used his experience to frustrate Foster and although he tired in the last couple of rounds, the former champion was good for his split decision victory.

[scartissue]

I love youtube. It gives me the chance to look over fights I missed back in the day. Today I checked out the first Wilfredo
Benitez - Bruce Curry fight. Here we go, not a hard fight to score, but it is scored on NY's rounds basis.

Round 1: Curry
Round 2: Benitez
Round 3: Curry
Round 4: Curry (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: Curry (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: Benitez
Round 7: Benitez
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Benitez
Round 10: Benitez

Total: 5-4-1 Benitez.

NY had a supplemental system in use if a judge scored a bout even. If there was a dominant round, one could use extra points, but again, I believe that they could only be employed by the judge if he scored the bout even. The 10 point must system gives one more latitude rather than a simple round basis, which hurts a fighter who had a dominant round. If a 10 point must system was employed, then I would have had Curry the winner with a score of 95-93.

[Ambling Alp II]

Makes you wonder how many fights would have been scored differently had the 10-point must been in effect.

[Seamus]

Ayub Kalule vs Sumbu Kalambay

R1.10-9 AK
R2.10-9 AK
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 AK
R5.10-8 SK (Kalule down from a left hook to the jaw during an exchange)
R6.10-9 AK
R7.10-9 SK
R8.10-9 AK
R9.10-9 SK
R10.10-10
R11.10-8 SK (Kalule down from a right to the chin)
R12.10-8 AK (Kalambay dropped by a left hook to the jaw in the last 14 seconds of the bout)

Ayub Kalule 114-113

Kalambay was the superior ring technician, while Kalule was the more determined man always trying to pressure his taller opponent. In the end that left hook in the final seconds secured a 1 pt win for Kalule on my scorecard. 113-114 118-115 117-114 were the scores for Aub Kalule.

Hey Elmer, no comments on how I scored Duran v Marcel ?

[King Carlos]

I had Kalambay by a point, if I recall correctly. Excellent technical bout.

[scartissue]

Here's one I think everyone will have a bit of fun with. Bernardo Pinango vs Frankie Duarte over 15 rounds. The only issue was the 8th and 9th rounds on the youtube telecast. It showed about the first 2 minutes of the 8th and the last 2 minutes of the 9th. I didn't even know what happened until I realized I was a round behind. However, there is more than one of that fight out there and I managed to see the 9th in its entirety on another vid, but not the 8th, so I had to take a leap of faith on the remaining unseen minute. Anyways, hope you enjoy.

Round 1: 10-9 Pinango
Round 2: 9-9 Even (I scored for Pinango but he lost a point for a low blow)
Round 3: 10-9 Duarte
Round 4: 10-8 Duarte (Pinango loses another point for a low blow)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Pinango
Round 7: 10-9 Pinango
Round 8: 10-9 Duarte (shortened round which I scored even but Pinango loses yet another point for a low blow)
Round 9: 10-9 Pinango
Round 10: 10-9 Duarte
Round 11: 10-9 Pinango
Round 12: 10-8 Duarte (Duarte scores a knockdown)
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Duarte
Round 15: 10-10 Even

Total: 144-141 Duarte

Duarte got robbed! The WBA brought in their own latin judges and ripped Frankie off. I cannot make a case with the points deducted plus the knockdown on how one could have given this to Pinango. I think what really sticks with me is how two of them had it comfortably for Pinango, not even close. I'd love to hear anyone else's take on this. I had several even/swing rounds so maybe I'm off. But the WBA had a real thing for Panamanian, Venezuelan and Puerto Rican fighters at this time and I think that is where the judges were all from without looking it up. I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist today.

[scartissue]

I used to love seeing Frankie Warren in action. The dude was a machine. Held some outstanding wins including this one over Buddy McGirt. It's uncanny how he dominated Buddy only for Buddy to dominate him in the rematch. Anyways, here we go, 10 rounds, 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Warren
Round 3: 10-9 Warren
Round 4: 10-9 Warren
Round 5: 10-9 Warren
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Warren
Round 8: 10-9 Warren
Round 9: 10-9 McGirt
Round 10: 10-10 Even

Total: 99-94 Warren

I think Frankie burned out with that style of his, not to mention having a detached retina. Damn good fighter.

[davie]

Pernell Whitaker vs Azumah Nelson

1. Whitaker
2. Whitaker
3. Whitaker
4. Whitaker
5. Whitaker
6. Whitaker
7. Nelson
8. Nelson
9. Whitaker
10. Whitaker
11. Nelson
12. Whitaker (point deduction makes it 9-9 round)

116-111 which sees me agree with ringside judge Dalby Shirley

Nelson won the rounds where he really put it on Pernel, but it would have took a super-human effort to keep up the pace he set in those rounds for over half the fight, so I can't see how he would have possibly have won without exhausting himself.

[davie]

Here is my scorecard and some comments.
G v K
1 10 9
2 10 7 twokd's scored by G
3 9 10
4 8 10 ref deducts a point from G, no apparent reason
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 10 9
9 9 10
10 10 9
11 10 10
12 8 10 ref again

113-112 G

I was shocked that the ref literally dictated the outcome of this fight by augmenting the home fighters scorecard with point deductions in his favour. It was almost comically predictable that he got that second point deduction in the last 30 seconds of the fight, just to be sure.

The scorecards for this fight are not on boxrec, but I'm pretty sure the ref made the difference (official result - K won by UD).

G and K?

Sorry.

G vs K II.

But seriously.... G & K?

[scartissue]

I watched this fight live back in the day and remember scoring it back then too. This fight was fought at such a high-level of skill with jabs, combos, body-work, etc. that the fight went really quick for me. Although it did bog down in the 12th and 13th when the fighters appeared to take some time off work to gain a second wind. Anyways, here we go, Jose Napoles v Clyde Gray. 5 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 5-4 Napoles
Round 2: 5-5 Even
Round 3: 5-4 Napoles
Round 4: 5-4 Gray
Round 5: 5-3 Napoles (Napoles scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 5-4 Napoles
Round 7: 5-4 Napoles
Round 8: 5-4 Gray
Round 9: 5-4 Gray
Round 10: 5-4 Napoles
Round 11: 5-4 Napoles
Round 12: 5-4 Napoles
Round 13: 5-4 Napoles
Round 14: 5-4 Napoles
Round 15: 5-4 Gray

Total 71-64 Napoles

They tried this deal during the fight of flashing the scorecards to the audience and Cosell relayed it on the vid. Out of the 3 judges i had it the widest for Napoles. But not to detract from Gray's performance, he was an excellent fighter and very underrated in the history of 147. He could do it all, just not as well as Napoles could. Watching last night's fight between Garcia and Guerrero and then watching this makes me believe that Garcia and guerrero should feel very lucky they came along in the era of multiple champs, because they wouldn't get a sniff of a title shot with the top ten that existed back then.

[davie]

Whitaker vs McGirt 2

1. Whitaker
2. McGirt KD
3. Whitaker
4. Whitaker
5. Whitaker
6. Whitaker
7. Whitaker
8. Whitaker
9. Whitaker
10. Whitaker
11. Whitaker
12. Whitaker

118-109 Pernell Whitaker

I felt my score card doesn't do service to McGirt's performance and contribution in the first half of the fight. Was about to score the 3rd 10-8 in his favour until I saw the replay of the "knockdown" and had to give it 10-9 to Whitaker.
Really enjoyed that, plenty of action and plenty of skill but Pernell controlled the action, decided when he wanted to fight and when he wanted to box and moved Buddy round the ring and had it where he wanted it as well. Fantastic performance from Whitaker.
Just wonder if the first fight was as good as the second.

[davie]

Prior vs Arguello 1

1. Prior - what an opening round
2. Arguello
3. Prior
4. Prior
5. Arguello
6. Prior
7. Arguello
8. Arguello
9. Arguello
10. Prior
11. Arguello
12. Prior
13. Arguello

133-132 Arguello going into the last round.

[scartissue]

https://youtu.be/5kku85JwvTE

Here is a link to a fight that most will find very entertaining. Cornelius Boza-Edwards v Guy Villegas. It would remind you of Boza against John Verderosa. A young hotshot trying to take down the veteran, only the veteran had just too much in the tank. Villegas was all speed and got off to a great start. I gave him rounds 1, 2 and 6. I gave Boza the 4th and had rounds 3 and 5 even. But never at any time would one get the feeling that Villegas could last. But still a good contrast in the speed of Villegas against the power of Boza. I think you guys will enjoy it.

[Seamus]

Three fights I watched recently

Miguel Canto vs Kimio Furesawa

R1.10-9 MC
R2.10-9 MC
R3.10-9 MC
R4.10-9 MC
R5.10-9 KF
R6.10-9 MC
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 KF
R9.10-9 MC
R10.10-9 MC
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 MC
R13.10-9 MC
R14.10-9 KF
R15.10-9 MC

Miguel Canto 147-140

Canto really got nailed by a left hook to the jaw in the 7th, but he otherwise controlled the round which is why I called it even. In the 9th, Furesawa withstood 2 left hooks, a right uppercut and another left hook, all flush, and his legs didn't even wobble. I realise Canto was never a huge puncher, but that's still pretty impressive.

Miguel Canto vs Antonio Avelar

R1.10-10
R2.10-9 MC
R3.10-9 MC
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 MC
R6.10-9 MC
R7.10-9 MC (1 pt taken from Avelar for a low blow)
R8.10-9 MC
R9.10-9 AA
R10.10-10
R11.10-9 AA
R12.10-9 AA
R13.10-10
R14.10-9 AA
R15.10-9 AA

Miguel Canto 145-144

Canto looked to be in control through the first 8 and had built a big lead, before Avelar through a combination of tenacity, youth and low blows clawed his way back into the fight. For some reason I can look at my scorecard and think that Canto perhaps should have won by at least another point.

Johnny Famechon vs Fighting Harada II

R1.5-4 FH
R2.5-4 FH
R3.5-4 FH
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 FH
R6.5-4 FH
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 FH
R9.5-4 JF
R10.5-3 FH (Famechon down briefly from an overhand right)
R11.5-4 JF
R12.5-3 JF (Harada down from a L-R-L combination to the head)
R13.5-3 JF (Harada hurt bad)

Johnny Famechon KO 14 . I had Harada ahead 59-56 at the time of the stoppage. The judges had Famechon ahead by 3-1-8 which seems ridiculous to me.

Great fight which Harada clearly controlled based on his overall aggression and punch output against a fighter with outstanding footwork, who spent the first two thirds of the bout playing defense. Finally though, Famechon's counters did enough damage to turn the fight around.

[Ambling Alp II]

Prior vs Arguello 1

1. Prior - what an opening round
2. Arguello
3. Prior
4. Prior
5. Arguello
6. Prior
7. Arguello
8. Arguello
9. Arguello
10. Prior
11. Arguello
12. Prior
13. Arguello

133-132 Arguello going into the last round.

Did you mean 124-123?

[davie]

Prior vs Arguello 1

1. Prior - what an opening round
2. Arguello
3. Prior
4. Prior
5. Arguello
6. Prior
7. Arguello
8. Arguello
9. Arguello
10. Prior
11. Arguello
12. Prior
13. Arguello

133-132 Arguello going into the last round.

Did you mean 124-123?

Probably, aye.

[Seamus]

Two fights I watched for the first time that appeared considerably different then the actual scoring. Both involving the same fighters.

Myung Woo Yuh vs Leo Gamez I

R1.10-10
R2.10-9 Y
R3.10-9 Y
R4.10-9 Y
R5.10-9 Y
R6.10-9 Y
R7.10-9 Y
R8.10-9 G
R9.10-9 Y
R10.10-9 Y
R11.10-9 G
R12.10-10

Myung Woo Yuh 118-112

Myung Woo Yuh vs Leo Gamez II

R1.10-9 G (Gamez cut over the right eye but never becomes a serious issue)
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 Y
R4.10-9 Y
R5.10-9 Y
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 Y
R8.10-9 G
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 G
R11.10-9 G
R12.10-10

116-116

Now what I thought was really strange about these two bouts, was that the first was a split decision with two judges having Yuh ahead by 2 and 3 pts, while the third judge scored it for Gamez by 2. In the second fight, the judges all went for Yuh by 4-6-6 pts, which seems ridiculous, unless the person who posted them on youtube got them mixed up. As for a summary, in the fight I scored for Yuh by 6 pts, Gamez boxed well at times and landed the occasional counter, but I just didn't see that as being enough to beat a fighter as durable and busy as Yuh. I think a much better strategy would have been to make those counters 3 punch combinations and get out. In the fight I scored as a draw, Gamez frequently went to war with Yuh in the trenches and actually looked to be wearing the Korean down, but on my scorecard, Yuh salvaged a draw in the final minute of the bout with maybe the punch of the fight, a left hook that really rocked Gamez. Now I'm going to have to find out if 1 is really 2 and vice versa.

[Counter-puncher]

hey seamus- FWIW my questionable memory had Yuh doing better in the rematch than the first fight

[Seamus]

Do you remember which fight saw Gamez cut over the right eye in the 1st rd because that one was the one I scored a draw. It was a war.

[scartissue]

Must be on a Boza-Edwards kick lately, but that's because all his fights are so enjoyable. Here is his 10 rounder with Rocky Lockridge. BTW, I met them both at Caesar's a few days before the fight. Super nice guys.

Round 1: 10-8 Edwards (scored a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 7: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 8: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 9: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 10: 10-9 Lockridge

Total 98-93 Lockridge

Despite what appears to be dominance by Lockridge, every round was competitive. Two great warriors in action.