Garcia-Guerrero

[BAD INTENTIONS]

guerrero isnt easy to fight, cause he attacks a lot, always infront of you. floyd did a marathon, thurman had a tough time, so did garcia. garcia is no a level welterweight, but he showed he can be a good b. i think he would have good chances against timmy, he would beat khan again, cause he brought good power up to welter and khan would again have problems with those looping hooks. spence, brook technicly and physicly dominate him. thurman is way to strong, knocks him out.

Disagree.

Garcia is top 5 at 147 and could beat any one. His feet are a half second too slow, but his timing is impeccable. Better than any current fighter I could think of off the top of my head ... maybe tied with GGG.

If Garcia was a Puerto Rican from Puerto RIco, and promoted by Top Rank, he'd have half his resume, but 4x the recognition and following.

I wish Danny could get Manny. He would ice him.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

guerrero isnt easy to fight, cause he attacks a lot, always infront of you. floyd did a marathon, thurman had a tough time, so did garcia. garcia is no a level welterweight, but he showed he can be a good b. i think he would have good chances against timmy, he would beat khan again, cause he brought good power up to welter and khan would again have problems with those looping hooks. spence, brook technicly and physicly dominate him. thurman is way to strong, knocks him out.

Disagree.

Garcia is top 5 at 147 (ability, not resume) and could beat any one. His feet are a half second too slow, but his timing is impeccable. Better than any current fighter I could think of off the top of my head ... maybe tied with GGG.

If Garcia was a Puerto Rican from Puerto RIco, and promoted by Top Rank, he'd have half his resume, but 4x the recognition and following.

I wish Danny could get Manny. He would ice him.

[Undefeated49-0]

I thought it was a horrible fight to score. Garcia's punches were more skillful but neither fighter ever got properly on top.

I disagree, I thought Garcia was landing the more significant punches throughout the fight, and he managed to pull himself ahead by 2 rounds and then 3 and I thought that was relatively the difference in the scoring with Garcia winning Unanimously by 3 points.

[SenorPipino]

I saw it the same way as the judges---116-112 Garcia.

Guerrero---who is NOT washed up---had a 4-2 edge through 6 rounds.

The quicker, more athletic Garcia swept the remainder of the bout. Failed to land many effective combinations but his numerous one-shot counter punches ruled the day.

Funny thing about Garcia. He seldom wows you anymore. He just gets by and does what's neccessary to win.

He'll be a solid underdog if a bout with Thurman materializes, but I wouldn't be surprised if he edges out a decision in that one too.
Certainly the Thurman who struggled with faded Collazo some months back didn't look like the monster world-beater many make him out to be.

Maybe another Matthysse in the making.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

That was Mayweathers mate Larry doing the fight commentary wasn't it :geek2: it sounded like him I couldn't be bothered confirming that but if it was then Floyd wasn't far from the mark when he said Larry didn't know sh.t about boxing and the other guy[Mora] was terrible don't get me wrong Garcia won the fight I had it 9/3 his way 8/4 is what all the judge's carded that's about right give or take a round but to hear Sergio Mora and his sidekick continually acknowledge the landing of Garcia punch's and continually talk about
something else anything else when Guerrero was landing his punch's they both rarely acknowledge The Ghost scoring point's and Mora kept telling us how he[Garcia]is a Hard Puncher[this he is not] I'm not that stupid Sergio I'v watched him enough to know that
about round 7/8 Mora was even calling for Guerreros corner to pull their man out this was a World title fight for f.ck sake I know that
the longer the fight went the better Garcia went but for Mora to claim that Guerrero hardly won a round was way off the mark even the guy who introduced both fighter's before the fight said in his introduction's that Garcia was the former................................
UNDISPUTED [held all the belt's WBC/WBA/WBO/IBF] SUPER LIGHTWEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION that of cause is bullsh.t just tell the truth who are you people lying to the fan's ya should have said he was a UNIFIED CHAMP................... Haymon needs to replace those two 1 eyed commentator's ASAP that's [as soon as possible] commentator's that call both fighter's not the one they want to win............Besides that keep the fight's rolling in 2016

The main comm was Dave Bontempo

So it was'nt Floyds pal Larry so Dave Bontempo is in the same boat has Larry

[PredatorHayds]

I had it 117-111 Garcia.
I thought he won quite comfortably.

Sergio Mora shouldn't be allowed near a microphone again.
Awful commentary for all the fights

[caldo2025]

Great fight. The action is round 12 was classic. I agree with the decision and was impressed with the heart shown by both guys.

[koolkc107]

Watched the fight at my Uncle's in GA (a former boxer who still trains fighters into his 80s).

Just as I expected, Ghost was giving Swift hell and I had him ahead halfway thru. But, Guerrero did not wear him down as I expected and it is clear Garcia ran things the second half of the fight. No one should have a problem with who won.

[Jack 1000]

Had the fight 115-113 for Garcia,

However, very disturbed by Jack Reiss raising Danny's hand BEFORE he was read the winner of the fight. Jack should be called on this!

Jack

[davie]

I had it 117-111 Garcia.
I thought he won quite comfortably.

Sergio Mora shouldn't be allowed near a microphone again.
Awful commentary for all the fights

I wasn't actually scoring it but I think I'd be somewhere around this score, Garcia with some beautiful punch picking.
I'm only left wondering whether it was down to Danny's accuracy, timing and composure or Guerreros lack of defence and exposing himself time and again
It was probably a combination of the 2.

[caldo2025]

Watched the fight at my Uncle's in GA (a former boxer who still trains fighters into his 80s).

Just as I expected, Ghost was giving Swift hell and I had him ahead halfway thru. But, Guerrero did not wear him down as I expected and it is clear Garcia ran things the second half of the fight. No one should have a problem with who won.

I was pretty impressed with RG early on in this one. He definitely looked in the best shape I've seen him in a long time. He's just not a 147 pounder to me. IMO, he should have retired or stayed a JW. He's basically lost 4 out of his last 5 fights. Garcia cuts and marks up so easily. Even his shoulders, back and stomach were all charred up. So he's always looking worse for ware but I had Garcia winning 8 or 9 rounds.

[koolkc107]

Watched the fight at my Uncle's in GA (a former boxer who still trains fighters into his 80s).

Just as I expected, Ghost was giving Swift hell and I had him ahead halfway thru. But, Guerrero did not wear him down as I expected and it is clear Garcia ran things the second half of the fight. No one should have a problem with who won.

I was pretty impressed with RG early on in this one. He definitely looked in the best shape I've seen him in a long time. He's just not a 147 pounder to me. IMO, he should have retired or stayed a JW. He's basically lost 4 out of his last 5 fights. Garcia cuts and marks up so easily. Even his shoulders, back and stomach were all charred up. So he's always looking worse for ware but I had Garcia winning 8 or 9 rounds.

I thought it was close, but I have no real problem with those who had Garcia wide.

Too many big, clear shots by Swift even if Ghost was working the whole of every round.

As far as the top 147s Garcia can beat?

Amir's chin hasn't gotten any better and Garcia would beat him again.
Porter is kinda the same guy as Ghost (younger, stronger, but not as good a chin as Guerrero) so I think Swift over him too.

But Thurman and likely Brook probably murder Garcia.
Bradley dominates him- and Swift has nothing for Tim as he took everything Provo dished.
Pac is probably the best 147 still out there and would also stop Garcia.

And I am pretty sure Swift and his pops wont go anywhere near the kid, Spence. And that is probably wise too.

[Gregk]

Had the fight 115-113 for Garcia,

However, very disturbed by Jack Reiss raising Danny's hand BEFORE he was read the winner of the fight. Jack should be called on this!

Jack

Jack probably couldn't here a thing inside the ring. He looked to the judges table for confirmation, then raised Garcia's hand (Jack probably thought he was late). Just a small miscommunication created that anomaly.

In large stadiums the ref may need an earpiece to hear the announcement of the official decision.

[caldo2025]

I thought it was close, but I have no real problem with those who had Garcia wide.

Too many big, clear shots by Swift even if Ghost was working the whole of every round.

As far as the top 147s Garcia can beat?

Amir's chin hasn't gotten any better and Garcia would beat him again.
Porter is kinda the same guy as Ghost (younger, stronger, but not as good a chin as Guerrero) so I think Swift over him too.

But Thurman and likely Brook probably murder Garcia.
Bradley dominates him- and Swift has nothing for Tim as he took everything Provo dished.
Pac is probably the best 147 still out there and would also stop Garcia.

And I am pretty sure Swift and his pops wont go anywhere near the kid, Spence. And that is probably wise too.

I can't wait to find out how DG fares against the guys you name. He's been so carefully matched up all of sudden. After the Matthysse fight, the matchmaking made no sense to me. His popularity took a big nosedive because of it. I'm a Danny Garcia fan even still though and I love his style of fighting. I couldn't believe how much his right hand improved and he was putting everything into those shots from all sorts of angles too, sometimes doubling up on it. But the fact that Guerrero never came close to going down with some of those shots on the button, worries me about DG's power at this weight.

I think he beats Porter, Khan, Bradley and Manny. Brook will frustrate the heck out of him and pick him to death. I think Thurman gets a possible KO of DG but that is a fight that is intriguing because I'm still not sold on Thurman's chin. He's been buzzed numerous times against some mediocre opposition.

The division is just jacked with talent. This is great.

[koolkc107]

I thought it was close, but I have no real problem with those who had Garcia wide.

Too many big, clear shots by Swift even if Ghost was working the whole of every round.

As far as the top 147s Garcia can beat?

Amir's chin hasn't gotten any better and Garcia would beat him again.
Porter is kinda the same guy as Ghost (younger, stronger, but not as good a chin as Guerrero) so I think Swift over him too.

But Thurman and likely Brook probably murder Garcia.
Bradley dominates him- and Swift has nothing for Tim as he took everything Provo dished.
Pac is probably the best 147 still out there and would also stop Garcia.

And I am pretty sure Swift and his pops wont go anywhere near the kid, Spence. And that is probably wise too.

I can't wait to find out how DG fares against the guys you name. He's been so carefully matched up all of sudden. After the Matthysse fight, the matchmaking made no sense to me. His popularity took a big nosedive because of it. I'm a Danny Garcia fan even still though and I love his style of fighting. I couldn't believe how much his right hand improved and he was putting everything into those shots from all sorts of angles too, sometimes doubling up on it. But the fact that Guerrero never came close to going down with some of those shots on the button, worries me about DG's power at this weight.

I think he beats Porter, Khan, Bradley and Manny. Brook will frustrate the heck out of him and pick him to death. I think Thurman gets a possible KO of DG but that is a fight that is intriguing because I'm still not sold on Thurman's chin. He's been buzzed numerous times against some mediocre opposition.

The division is just jacked with talent. This is great.

The bolded hit things right on the mark.

Which is why (though we agree about Porter and Khan losing to DG, and Thurman and Brook beating him)
I don't like Swift against most of the elites in the division.

Folks are judging Manny too harshly because of the defeat to Floyd.
When are folks going to realize that Mayweather was always going to be a physical and
stylistic nightmare for Manny anytime they fought?

For almost anyone else, Pac is hell...and he would destroy Swift because Danny gets hit to often and too clean.
Bradley would box his ears off (see the JMM and Rios fights) and win a wide decision or stop Swift late.

Yes, Thurman and Brook may have chin issues, but that is against full welters and it is clear Swift is not that yet.

Go back and look at the Mayweather/Guerrero tilt and answer this question: Was Ghost more hurt at points in that fight
than he was in the fight a week ago?

If the answer is yes, then you know all you need to about Swift's present punching power at 147.