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This is weird. I used the referees, Rozadilla and Alvarado to determine which Yuh v Gamez fight was which and apparently I and II on youtube are correct. Pretty strange because I thought Gamez did much better in the rematch which I had as a draw.
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Agree 100% mate it was definitely a fight that was closer in the ring than it was on the cards.davie wrote:Whitaker vs McGirt 2
1. Whitaker
2. McGirt KD
3. Whitaker
4. Whitaker
5. Whitaker
6. Whitaker
7. Whitaker
8. Whitaker
9. Whitaker
10. Whitaker
11. Whitaker
12. Whitaker
118-109 Pernell Whitaker
I felt my score card doesn't do service to McGirt's performance and contribution in the first half of the fight. Was about to score the 3rd 10-8 in his favour until I saw the replay of the "knockdown" and had to give it 10-9 to Whitaker.
Really enjoyed that, plenty of action and plenty of skill but Pernell controlled the action, decided when he wanted to fight and when he wanted to box and moved Buddy round the ring and had it where he wanted it as well. Fantastic performance from Whitaker.
Just wonder if the first fight was as good as the second.
I'd say it was clearly Pernells best performance: his underrated bodywork and inside work came to the fore with multiple left uppercuts up and down.
From memory the first fight was closer, more tactical, less action. Interesting to note pernells adjustment for the second one was to throw much greater volume and that comparatively mcgirt did better (IMO) in a slower more tactical affair.
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Larry Holmes v Oliver McCall
R1. 10-10
Interesting round. Holmes is cagey, jabbing with authority but backing off when McCall presses. Both guys are looking for range on the jab, Holmes wins that battle. McCall is more aggressive in the second half of the round though. Holmes is really swinging for the fences with the right hand when McCall is wrongfooted, really looks like a fighter going for a 1 punch ko. Probably a psych ploy. I'm sure that Holmes knows that McCall knows that Holmes knows that Oliver McCall is not getting ko'd by anybody.
R2. 10-9 Holmes (20-19 Holmes)
Holmes gets down to business. He has figured out the effective operating range for his jab and scores freely, claiming centre ring, while McCall jabs short in a futile effort to match Larry.
When McCall starts to throw quick combos stepping in to crowd Holmes and push him back, Holmes switches his jab to McCalls chest to block his advance. McCall has his moments, but Holmes always manages to tie him up before he can do damage.
R3. 9-10 McCall (29-29)
Holmes seems determined to repeat the masterful display of round 2, McCall turns away abruptly when Holmes whips in a mean right hand and literally walks away. But when he turns back to face Holmes he seems to have made a decision, rolled up his sleeves and determined that if he has to eat Holmes' right hand to get close, so be it.
Most of the round is spent in Holmes' corner, where some brutal looking exchanges of punches take place, McCall lands more, constantly pressuring, but Holmes seems to be choosing his shots more carefully.
Holmes tries to gain a psychological advantage by inviting McCall back into the corner, as if to say 'hey, I can do this all night'. McCall just shrugs his shoulders and storms back in.
McCall is a fascinating fighter to watch. His face seems to express every single emotion. It's like watching DeNiro in a boxing match!
R4. 10-10 (39-39)
Pretty much the same as round 3, but McCall didn't take charge immediately, and he was less intense on the attack.
$hit, Marvin Hagler is talking about the fight and I need to be watching this in mute
R5. 9-10 McCall (48-49 McCall)
Close round, difficult one to score but McCall was the aggressor, busier fighter. Holmes' mind games continue to be an interesting sub-plot, in a close round he tried really hard to psyche McCall out, and despite McCall displaying his agitation plainly, it didn't really interfere with his fight.
R6. 10-9 Holmes (58-58)
McCall is really hesitant in this round, Holmes looks supremely confident (as ever) but his work is tangibly more effective. He is the aggressor now and he really hurts McCall with some of his right hand shots. McCall has totally lost his enthusiasm for winning a round at the expense of eating half a dozen hard right hands. McCall looks really frustrated in the last minute of the round, he's bouncing around aimlessly with no clear strategy, he even switches to southpaw seemingly by accident in his state of indecision.
R7. 9-10 McCall (67-68 McCall)
Brilliant stuff from Holmes in the first minute, blinding jabs setting up hurtful combinations to head and body. But he decides to take the rest of the round off and I think he underestimates McCall's resolve here. Holmes does a good job of disguising his need for a breather as a choice of tactics to lure McCall to the corner, but McCall doesn't give him the rest he's looking for. He rediscovers his mental resolve and guts out a hard won round, ignoring Holmes' taunting and playing to the crowd.
R8. 9-10 McCall (76-78 McCall)
McCall shows alot more conviction this round. For the first time in the fight McCall is able to utilise his jab as an effective weapon, he doubles it up and follows through to get himself close and then stays on Larry's chest. Holmes is fighting for every inch and again, he makes McCall work hard for the round.
R9. 8-10 McCall (84-88 McCall)
Pretty even jabbing contest for the first 30 seconds, but it's McCall who follows up, drives Holmes into a neutral corner and spends the entire round beating Holmes up. Holmes takes a real beating to head and body and his legs look shaky at times, he manages the odd counter uppercut and is always at least trying to fight back, but McCall stays on his chest and punishes Holmes with clean shots to the head every time Holmes tries to open up.
R10. 10-9 Holmes (94-97 McCall)
Holmes wins a close round for me through sheer bloody minded determination. He is clearly very tired and even his jab has less snap on it, but he keeps it in McCalls face, who seems arm weary after throwing so many punches in the previous round. Another short respite to fix some loose tape on his glove (
the Holmes corner) gives Holmes enough wind to eke out the round.
R11. 9-10 McCall(103-107 McCall)
Holmes takes another beating this round. The round follows the same pattern as all of McCalls dominant rounds in this fight. Holmes starts lively, jabbing accurately but within 30 seconds he is driven to the ropes where he remains, taking a pasting on the inside. His resistence to McCall's barrages has gradually been worn down to the point where he now looks like he would be happy just to last the distance.
R12. 10-10 (113-117 McCall)
Might be a little generous to Holmes here but what the hey. He dictates the fight for the first half of the round and McCall's aggression in the second half of the round isn't effective enough for me. Not enough clean punches and Holmes tied him up and spoiled.
113-117 McCall
I found this fight very entertaining. Holmes looked in pretty good shape to me, he didn't seem alot heavier than he was against Tyson but my impression was that his punches were alot faster and harder here. At times his jab was awesome.
I probably go against popular opinion here, but I have to say I was impressed with both guys.
Holmes had real snap on his punches and enough experience to be competitive with anybody. He did run out of steam in the second half of the fight, but that was down to McCall keeping him under pressure and his body punches in particular.
I don't see how that could be considered a dissapointing result for McCall. He was in great condition, he had to fight hard for every round and he showed some real balls at times to walk through Larry and take 1 to land 2 punches. Admittedly, it became a little one-sided in the second half but Holmes was still competitive in the last round.
R1. 10-10
Interesting round. Holmes is cagey, jabbing with authority but backing off when McCall presses. Both guys are looking for range on the jab, Holmes wins that battle. McCall is more aggressive in the second half of the round though. Holmes is really swinging for the fences with the right hand when McCall is wrongfooted, really looks like a fighter going for a 1 punch ko. Probably a psych ploy. I'm sure that Holmes knows that McCall knows that Holmes knows that Oliver McCall is not getting ko'd by anybody.
R2. 10-9 Holmes (20-19 Holmes)
Holmes gets down to business. He has figured out the effective operating range for his jab and scores freely, claiming centre ring, while McCall jabs short in a futile effort to match Larry.
When McCall starts to throw quick combos stepping in to crowd Holmes and push him back, Holmes switches his jab to McCalls chest to block his advance. McCall has his moments, but Holmes always manages to tie him up before he can do damage.
R3. 9-10 McCall (29-29)
Holmes seems determined to repeat the masterful display of round 2, McCall turns away abruptly when Holmes whips in a mean right hand and literally walks away. But when he turns back to face Holmes he seems to have made a decision, rolled up his sleeves and determined that if he has to eat Holmes' right hand to get close, so be it.
Most of the round is spent in Holmes' corner, where some brutal looking exchanges of punches take place, McCall lands more, constantly pressuring, but Holmes seems to be choosing his shots more carefully.
Holmes tries to gain a psychological advantage by inviting McCall back into the corner, as if to say 'hey, I can do this all night'. McCall just shrugs his shoulders and storms back in.
McCall is a fascinating fighter to watch. His face seems to express every single emotion. It's like watching DeNiro in a boxing match!
R4. 10-10 (39-39)
Pretty much the same as round 3, but McCall didn't take charge immediately, and he was less intense on the attack.
$hit, Marvin Hagler is talking about the fight and I need to be watching this in mute
R5. 9-10 McCall (48-49 McCall)
Close round, difficult one to score but McCall was the aggressor, busier fighter. Holmes' mind games continue to be an interesting sub-plot, in a close round he tried really hard to psyche McCall out, and despite McCall displaying his agitation plainly, it didn't really interfere with his fight.
R6. 10-9 Holmes (58-58)
McCall is really hesitant in this round, Holmes looks supremely confident (as ever) but his work is tangibly more effective. He is the aggressor now and he really hurts McCall with some of his right hand shots. McCall has totally lost his enthusiasm for winning a round at the expense of eating half a dozen hard right hands. McCall looks really frustrated in the last minute of the round, he's bouncing around aimlessly with no clear strategy, he even switches to southpaw seemingly by accident in his state of indecision.
R7. 9-10 McCall (67-68 McCall)
Brilliant stuff from Holmes in the first minute, blinding jabs setting up hurtful combinations to head and body. But he decides to take the rest of the round off and I think he underestimates McCall's resolve here. Holmes does a good job of disguising his need for a breather as a choice of tactics to lure McCall to the corner, but McCall doesn't give him the rest he's looking for. He rediscovers his mental resolve and guts out a hard won round, ignoring Holmes' taunting and playing to the crowd.
R8. 9-10 McCall (76-78 McCall)
McCall shows alot more conviction this round. For the first time in the fight McCall is able to utilise his jab as an effective weapon, he doubles it up and follows through to get himself close and then stays on Larry's chest. Holmes is fighting for every inch and again, he makes McCall work hard for the round.
R9. 8-10 McCall (84-88 McCall)
Pretty even jabbing contest for the first 30 seconds, but it's McCall who follows up, drives Holmes into a neutral corner and spends the entire round beating Holmes up. Holmes takes a real beating to head and body and his legs look shaky at times, he manages the odd counter uppercut and is always at least trying to fight back, but McCall stays on his chest and punishes Holmes with clean shots to the head every time Holmes tries to open up.
R10. 10-9 Holmes (94-97 McCall)
Holmes wins a close round for me through sheer bloody minded determination. He is clearly very tired and even his jab has less snap on it, but he keeps it in McCalls face, who seems arm weary after throwing so many punches in the previous round. Another short respite to fix some loose tape on his glove (
the Holmes corner) gives Holmes enough wind to eke out the round.R11. 9-10 McCall(103-107 McCall)
Holmes takes another beating this round. The round follows the same pattern as all of McCalls dominant rounds in this fight. Holmes starts lively, jabbing accurately but within 30 seconds he is driven to the ropes where he remains, taking a pasting on the inside. His resistence to McCall's barrages has gradually been worn down to the point where he now looks like he would be happy just to last the distance.
R12. 10-10 (113-117 McCall)
Might be a little generous to Holmes here but what the hey. He dictates the fight for the first half of the round and McCall's aggression in the second half of the round isn't effective enough for me. Not enough clean punches and Holmes tied him up and spoiled.
113-117 McCall
I found this fight very entertaining. Holmes looked in pretty good shape to me, he didn't seem alot heavier than he was against Tyson but my impression was that his punches were alot faster and harder here. At times his jab was awesome.
I probably go against popular opinion here, but I have to say I was impressed with both guys.
Holmes had real snap on his punches and enough experience to be competitive with anybody. He did run out of steam in the second half of the fight, but that was down to McCall keeping him under pressure and his body punches in particular.
I don't see how that could be considered a dissapointing result for McCall. He was in great condition, he had to fight hard for every round and he showed some real balls at times to walk through Larry and take 1 to land 2 punches. Admittedly, it became a little one-sided in the second half but Holmes was still competitive in the last round.
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scartissue
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Saw this mentioned on another site and needed to give it a look-see again. This is the second Julio Cesar Chavez-Frankie Randall fight. Now be aware that the 8th round is scored even though it was incomplete and one point is deducted from Randall's score.
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Randall
Round 3: 10-9 Chavez
Round 4: 10-9 Chavez
Round 5: 10-9 Randall
Round 6: 10-9 Chavez
Round 7: 10-9 Randall
Round 8: 9-9 Even (I had Randall winning the round until an accidental headbutt terminated matters. Mills Lane deducted a point from Randall's score)
Total: 76-76 Tech. Draw
It should be noted that a few courtesies were extended to Chavez. Dr. Flip Homansky said he would have let it go on, but Chavez told him he didn't want to, so Homansky stopped the fight. Well, that's a retirement then and it shouldn't have gone to the scorecards. As one can see I had it very tight, so this could have gone either way had it finished without the cut. But even if Chavez said he would continue there is no way it could have gone on. The cut would have ripped open with the first punch of the 9th round.
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Randall
Round 3: 10-9 Chavez
Round 4: 10-9 Chavez
Round 5: 10-9 Randall
Round 6: 10-9 Chavez
Round 7: 10-9 Randall
Round 8: 9-9 Even (I had Randall winning the round until an accidental headbutt terminated matters. Mills Lane deducted a point from Randall's score)
Total: 76-76 Tech. Draw
It should be noted that a few courtesies were extended to Chavez. Dr. Flip Homansky said he would have let it go on, but Chavez told him he didn't want to, so Homansky stopped the fight. Well, that's a retirement then and it shouldn't have gone to the scorecards. As one can see I had it very tight, so this could have gone either way had it finished without the cut. But even if Chavez said he would continue there is no way it could have gone on. The cut would have ripped open with the first punch of the 9th round.
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I was curious of an Alan Minter fight I saw back in the day and was ecstatic that someone uploaded it to youtube. It was his bout against Ronnie Harris of Ohio. What I remember about this fight was that it was fought at breakneck speed. Indeed, the pace was terrific. Here we go on, what I believe employed in Britain was a 10 point must system with the loser getting 9 1/2. And again, I think you'll love the pace of this bout.
Round 1: Minter
Round 2: Harris
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Minter
Round 5: Harris
Round 6: Harris
Round 7: Harris
Round 8: Harris
Ref Sid Nathan stops the bout between the 8th and 9th with Minter cut over both eyes and his mouth cut.
Total at time of stoppage: 79-77 1/2 Harris
Round 1: Minter
Round 2: Harris
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Minter
Round 5: Harris
Round 6: Harris
Round 7: Harris
Round 8: Harris
Ref Sid Nathan stops the bout between the 8th and 9th with Minter cut over both eyes and his mouth cut.
Total at time of stoppage: 79-77 1/2 Harris
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Tony Sibson vs Alan Minter has FINALLY been uploaded as well. True story regarding this fight. The second person I discussed it with (the first was my best buddy at the time) was ex-Wolves keeper Phil Parkes over pints at either Arnie Morton's or the Radisson, can't remember which.
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Yup, nice catch thank you. I'd never seen anything of Harris, he looked a real fast, skillful boxer. Reminded me of Reggie Johnson a lot, I checked his career out and he doesn't seem to have got many breaks; a slick southpaw like that will find his way onto most guys 'who needs him?' lists, I guess.scartissue wrote:I was curious of an Alan Minter fight I saw back in the day and was ecstatic that someone uploaded it to youtube. It was his bout against Ronnie Harris of Ohio. What I remember about this fight was that it was fought at breakneck speed. Indeed, the pace was terrific. Here we go on, what I believe employed in Britain was a 10 point must system with the loser getting 9 1/2. And again, I think you'll love the pace of this bout.
Round 1: Minter
Round 2: Harris
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Minter
Round 5: Harris
Round 6: Harris
Round 7: Harris
Round 8: Harris
Ref Sid Nathan stops the bout between the 8th and 9th with Minter cut over both eyes and his mouth cut.
Total at time of stoppage: 79-77 1/2 Harris
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Here's a big bunch I scored in the last couple weeks
James Toney vs Mike McCallum I
R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-9 JT
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 JT
R5.10-9 JT
R6.10-9 JT
R7.10-9 JT
R8.10-9 JT
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JT
R11.10-9 MM
R12.10-9 JT
James Toney 117-112
Ridiculous decision in a fight in which Toney scored consistently with hard rights to head against a Mike McCallum who didn't live up to his nickname.
James Toney vs Mike McCallum II
R1.10-9 JT
R2.10-9 JT
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 MM
R5.10-10
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 MM
R8.9-9 (pt deducted from McCallum behind the back headlock punch)
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JT
R11.10-9 MM
R12.10-9 MM
Mike McCallum 116-114
Two of the scores were ridiculous in a fight in which McCallum worked the body and slipped punches effectively against a less busy and sometimes frustrated looking Toney.
Johnny Famechon vs Fighting Harada I
R1.5-4 FH
R2.5-3 FH (Famechon down from an overhand right)
R3.5-4 FH
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 JF (Harada down very questionably from what lookoed to be a left)
R6.5-4 JF
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 FH
R9.5-4 FH
R10.5-4 FH
R11.5-3 FH (Famechon down from another overhand right)
R12.5-4 JF
R13.5-4 JF
R14.5-3 FH (Famechon down from a right to the body)
R15.5-4 FH
Fighting Harada 71-62
One of the worst decisions I've ever seen, sadly scored a 1 pt win for Famechon by referee Willie Pep. In the rematch I had Harada up by 3 if I remember when Famechon dropped him 3 times.
James Toney vs Mike McCallum I
R1.10-9 MM
R2.10-9 JT
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 JT
R5.10-9 JT
R6.10-9 JT
R7.10-9 JT
R8.10-9 JT
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JT
R11.10-9 MM
R12.10-9 JT
James Toney 117-112
Ridiculous decision in a fight in which Toney scored consistently with hard rights to head against a Mike McCallum who didn't live up to his nickname.
James Toney vs Mike McCallum II
R1.10-9 JT
R2.10-9 JT
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 MM
R5.10-10
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 MM
R8.9-9 (pt deducted from McCallum behind the back headlock punch)
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 JT
R11.10-9 MM
R12.10-9 MM
Mike McCallum 116-114
Two of the scores were ridiculous in a fight in which McCallum worked the body and slipped punches effectively against a less busy and sometimes frustrated looking Toney.
Johnny Famechon vs Fighting Harada I
R1.5-4 FH
R2.5-3 FH (Famechon down from an overhand right)
R3.5-4 FH
R4.5-4 FH
R5.5-4 JF (Harada down very questionably from what lookoed to be a left)
R6.5-4 JF
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 FH
R9.5-4 FH
R10.5-4 FH
R11.5-3 FH (Famechon down from another overhand right)
R12.5-4 JF
R13.5-4 JF
R14.5-3 FH (Famechon down from a right to the body)
R15.5-4 FH
Fighting Harada 71-62
One of the worst decisions I've ever seen, sadly scored a 1 pt win for Famechon by referee Willie Pep. In the rematch I had Harada up by 3 if I remember when Famechon dropped him 3 times.
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Two more
Humberto Gonzalez vs Michael Carbajal II. I had the first 2 rounds even and the other 10 for Gonzalez for a score of 120-110 for Humberto Gonzalez. Carbajal just not busy enough to win rounds.
Humberto Gonzalez vs Michael Carbajal III
R1.10-9 MC
R2.10-9 MC
R3.10-9 HG
R4.10-9 MC
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 HG
R7.10-10
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 HG
R10.10-9 HG
R11.10-9 HG
R12.10-9 HG
Humberto Gonzalez 117-114
A little better than the 2nd fight, with Carbajal more competitive early on, but both fights never came close to providing the excitement of the 1st bout.
Humberto Gonzalez vs Michael Carbajal II. I had the first 2 rounds even and the other 10 for Gonzalez for a score of 120-110 for Humberto Gonzalez. Carbajal just not busy enough to win rounds.
Humberto Gonzalez vs Michael Carbajal III
R1.10-9 MC
R2.10-9 MC
R3.10-9 HG
R4.10-9 MC
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 HG
R7.10-10
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 HG
R10.10-9 HG
R11.10-9 HG
R12.10-9 HG
Humberto Gonzalez 117-114
A little better than the 2nd fight, with Carbajal more competitive early on, but both fights never came close to providing the excitement of the 1st bout.
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Seamus wrote:Kuniaki Shibata vs Ben Villaflor I
R1.5-5
R2.5-4 KS
R3.5-4 KS
R4.5-4 KS
R5.5-4 KS
R6.5-4 KS
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 KS
R9.5-4 KS
R10.5-4 BV
R11.5-5
R12.5-4 BV
R13.5-4 BV
R14.5-4 BV
R15.5-5
Kuniaki Shibata 71-68
What a treat Kuniaki Shibata is to watch. Always bobbing and weaving and firing off combinations while Villaflor spends the first 9 rds pretty much looking for one big punch. Then in the 10th Villafor switches to Boxing Basics 101 and really starts using his jab and wins the round. Villaflor makes a rally but Shibata counterpunches so effectively in the final minute of the fight that I score 15th round even. At the time I remember some claims that Villaflor deserved this decision, but after scoring I don't see an argument.
Seamus, thought I would give this one a go when I saw it on youtube. Here we go, 5 point must system.
Round 1: 5-5 Even
Round 2: 5-4 Shibata
Round 3: 5-4 Shibata
Round 4: 5-4 Shibata
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-4 Shibata
Round 7: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 8: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 9: 5-4 Shibata
Round 10: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 11: 5-5 Even
Round 12: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 13: 5-4 Shibata
Round 14: 5-4 Villaflor
Round 15: 5-4 Shibata
Total: 70-68 Shibata. Man, that was pretty tight scoring between you and I. By the looks of it only the 8th and 13th we really disagree on. That's pretty good over 15. The fight would have lulls, but then they would explode with some good combos. I liked the 11th round best. Decent fight. Not spine-tingling but decent.
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I would like to have seen a third and deciding match between those two. Tough pick because it could really go either way. Shibata, the faster, superior boxer or Villaflor the more durable, bigger puncher.
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Lupe Pintor - Jorge Lujan 10 rounds, 10 point must system
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Lujan
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Pintor
Round 5: 10-9 Pintor
Round 6: 10-8 Pintor (Pintor scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Pintor
Round 8: 10-9 Lujan
Round 9: 10-9 Pintor
Round 10: 10-9 Pintor
Total: 98-93 Pintor
I was listening to Allan Malamud's score during the telecast and I don't think he and I agreed on anything through the first 5 rounds. Lujan was a bit of a nightmare to the archtypical Mexican fighter. He was a counter-puncher with a great chin, which is a nightmare to all big bangers. But Pintor was the type of fighter who thrived over 15 rounds, unlike Zamora who was a George Foreman type and would spend himself early. Again, maybe a bit tough to score early because Pintor was a bit of a slow starter and Lujan was throwing a lot of soft counters. Open to your subjectivity.
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Lujan
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Pintor
Round 5: 10-9 Pintor
Round 6: 10-8 Pintor (Pintor scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-9 Pintor
Round 8: 10-9 Lujan
Round 9: 10-9 Pintor
Round 10: 10-9 Pintor
Total: 98-93 Pintor
I was listening to Allan Malamud's score during the telecast and I don't think he and I agreed on anything through the first 5 rounds. Lujan was a bit of a nightmare to the archtypical Mexican fighter. He was a counter-puncher with a great chin, which is a nightmare to all big bangers. But Pintor was the type of fighter who thrived over 15 rounds, unlike Zamora who was a George Foreman type and would spend himself early. Again, maybe a bit tough to score early because Pintor was a bit of a slow starter and Lujan was throwing a lot of soft counters. Open to your subjectivity.
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It was a great fight. The Hands of Stone's first real pro test. I think I had the fight the same way or closer in the scoringSeamus wrote:Roberto Duran vs Ernesto Marcel
R1.10-9 RD
R2.10-9 RD
R3.10-9 EM
R4.10-9 EM
R5. 10-10
R6.10-9 RD
R7.10-9 RD
R8.10-9 RD
R9.10-9 EM
Roberto Duran TKO 9 I had it 87-85 for Duran at the time. The three judges had it 87-85 86-85 for Duran and 85-85 Even.
Horrible stoppage by referee Isaac Herrera when Marcel looked tired but unhurt. Marcel had the better of the fight on the outside where he effectively counterpunched and was more accurate in the exchanges, but Duran was too strong and busy on the inside where much of the fight took place. Without the ridiculous stoppage this is probably a 97-94 win for Duran.
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Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton
R1.10-9 LH
R2.10-9 LH
R3.10-9 LH
R4.10-9 LH
R5.10-9 LH
R6.10-9 LH
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 KN
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 KN
R11.10-9 KN
R12.10-10
R13.10-9 LH
R14.10-9 KN
R15.10-9 LH
Larry Holmes 146-142
Don't believe I'd ever scored this fight and I remember hearing how close it was, but actually I didn't quite see it as that close. Norton was very competitive, but I thought he pretty much lost the fight over the first 6 rounds when Holmes really worked the jab effectively while Norton failed to mount much of an offensive other than the occasional counter. The last 6 rounds were outstanding, with Norton having a slight edge, but at the bell I felt Holmes was the clear winner.
R1.10-9 LH
R2.10-9 LH
R3.10-9 LH
R4.10-9 LH
R5.10-9 LH
R6.10-9 LH
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 KN
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 KN
R11.10-9 KN
R12.10-10
R13.10-9 LH
R14.10-9 KN
R15.10-9 LH
Larry Holmes 146-142
Don't believe I'd ever scored this fight and I remember hearing how close it was, but actually I didn't quite see it as that close. Norton was very competitive, but I thought he pretty much lost the fight over the first 6 rounds when Holmes really worked the jab effectively while Norton failed to mount much of an offensive other than the occasional counter. The last 6 rounds were outstanding, with Norton having a slight edge, but at the bell I felt Holmes was the clear winner.
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Mauro Mina vs Henry Hank
R1.HH
R2.HH
R3.Even
R4.HH
R5.MM
R6.MM
R7.MM
R8.MM
R9.Even
R10.MM
Under New York State scoring Mauro Mina 5-3
Interesti9ng contrast in styles and how they were reversed in the fight. Through the first 4 rds, Hank was the aggressor with Mina looking to counter. In the 5th Mina took the fight to Hank on inside and had alot of success, while around the 8th, Hank moved to the outside and looked to counter. Decent fight that was won by Mina via a split decision.
R1.HH
R2.HH
R3.Even
R4.HH
R5.MM
R6.MM
R7.MM
R8.MM
R9.Even
R10.MM
Under New York State scoring Mauro Mina 5-3
Interesti9ng contrast in styles and how they were reversed in the fight. Through the first 4 rds, Hank was the aggressor with Mina looking to counter. In the 5th Mina took the fight to Hank on inside and had alot of success, while around the 8th, Hank moved to the outside and looked to counter. Decent fight that was won by Mina via a split decision.
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1. 10-9 Winstone
3. 10-9 Winstone
5. 10-9 Saldivar
6. 10-9 Salvidar
8. 10-9 Winstone
9. 10-9 Salvidar
10. 10-9 Salvidar
11.10-9 Saldivar -
12. 10-9 Saldivar -
13. 10-9 Saldivar -
14. 10-8 Saldivar -
15. 10-9 Saldivar
Rounds 2, 4 & 7 missing from the footage I watched, but if you haven't seen this one it's a really good fight, Saldivar looks immense and I'll have to give some more of his fights a watch
Out of interest, does anyone know why Saldivar retired at 24 in 67 and only fought 5 times after that retiring at 30?
Did he suffer a lot of injuries? I suspect the world missed a lot of good fights with him out of the ring in what could have been his best year
3. 10-9 Winstone
5. 10-9 Saldivar
6. 10-9 Salvidar
8. 10-9 Winstone
9. 10-9 Salvidar
10. 10-9 Salvidar
11.10-9 Saldivar -
12. 10-9 Saldivar -
13. 10-9 Saldivar -
14. 10-8 Saldivar -
15. 10-9 Saldivar
Rounds 2, 4 & 7 missing from the footage I watched, but if you haven't seen this one it's a really good fight, Saldivar looks immense and I'll have to give some more of his fights a watch
Out of interest, does anyone know why Saldivar retired at 24 in 67 and only fought 5 times after that retiring at 30?
Did he suffer a lot of injuries? I suspect the world missed a lot of good fights with him out of the ring in what could have been his best year
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Ambling Alp II
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I've often wondered why he did as well. For whatever reason he is a guy you just don't hear much about. Outstanding fighter. Winstone was very good as well.
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Ambling Alp II
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That is one of those fights that had a lot close rounds. If you give all three of the even rounds to Norton, then it's only 143-142 for Holmes.Seamus wrote:Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton
R1.10-9 LH
R2.10-9 LH
R3.10-9 LH
R4.10-9 LH
R5.10-9 LH
R6.10-9 LH
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 KN
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 KN
R11.10-9 KN
R12.10-10
R13.10-9 LH
R14.10-9 KN
R15.10-9 LH
Larry Holmes 146-142
Don't believe I'd ever scored this fight and I remember hearing how close it was, but actually I didn't quite see it as that close. Norton was very competitive, but I thought he pretty much lost the fight over the first 6 rounds when Holmes really worked the jab effectively while Norton failed to mount much of an offensive other than the occasional counter. The last 6 rounds were outstanding, with Norton having a slight edge, but at the bell I felt Holmes was the clear winner.
Holmes really stole round 15 at the end. First the first two minutes, Norton was having a huge round. Then Holmes came on strong in the last minute. I gave Norton the 15th; though I still had Holmes winning 143-142.
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King Carlos
- Heavyweight
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Simple. He'd plenty of experience and wear and tear by then. If he'd died instead of retired, people would still be talking about how much more he would've accomplished and how he wasn't even in his prime. Top 10 all time great potential, etc.Ambling Alp II wrote:I've often wondered why he did as well. For whatever reason he is a guy you just don't hear much about. Outstanding fighter. Winstone was very good as well.
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Saldivar vs Winstone 2
1. Winstone
2. Winstone
3. Draw
4. Winstone
5. Winstone
6. Winstone
7. Saldivar
8. Winstone
9. Winstone
10. Winstone
11. Saldivar
12. Saldivar
13. Saldivar
14. 10-8 Saldivar
15. Saldivar
143-142 Winstone although I could have given the even round to salvidar and Winstone picked up a couple of really tight ones
Not quite as good a fight as the first but still fantastic.
Winstone improved, still neat boxing but much better variety and a better gameplan to deal with Salvidar when he found a way round his jab.
What an engine on Sladivar though, to still have that output in the last couple rounds in a fight like this was terrific. He was not as technically brilliant as the last fight but certainly knew how to dig deep.
Bring on part 3
1. Winstone
2. Winstone
3. Draw
4. Winstone
5. Winstone
6. Winstone
7. Saldivar
8. Winstone
9. Winstone
10. Winstone
11. Saldivar
12. Saldivar
13. Saldivar
14. 10-8 Saldivar
15. Saldivar
143-142 Winstone although I could have given the even round to salvidar and Winstone picked up a couple of really tight ones
Not quite as good a fight as the first but still fantastic.
Winstone improved, still neat boxing but much better variety and a better gameplan to deal with Salvidar when he found a way round his jab.
What an engine on Sladivar though, to still have that output in the last couple rounds in a fight like this was terrific. He was not as technically brilliant as the last fight but certainly knew how to dig deep.
Bring on part 3
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scartissue
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I hit Duran-DeJesus III today. Magnificent fight. I know the first time I saw it I had Duran ahead, but I recall reading one of the wire services had DeJesus ahead, so thought it was worth another look-see. These two were at their 135 best.
Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Duran
Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Duran
Round 10: 10-9 Duran
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus
Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran
Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive. I'll have to check out Duran-Lampkin next.
Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Duran
Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Duran
Round 10: 10-9 Duran
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus
Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran
Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive. I'll have to check out Duran-Lampkin next.
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King Carlos
- Heavyweight
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Maybe it's been too long since I've watched them, because I recall the first two fights being damn near the same. Winstone boxing well in the first 10 rounds only to be beaten around the ring by Saldivar in the final 5. I remember quite a few more 10-8 and even 10-7 rounds than your scorecard suggests, too.davie wrote:Saldivar vs Winstone 2
1. Winstone
2. Winstone
3. Draw
4. Winstone
5. Winstone
6. Winstone
7. Saldivar
8. Winstone
9. Winstone
10. Winstone
11. Saldivar
12. Saldivar
13. Saldivar
14. 10-8 Saldivar
15. Saldivar
143-142 Winstone although I could have given the even round to salvidar and Winstone picked up a couple of really tight ones
Not quite as good a fight as the first but still fantastic.
Winstone improved, still neat boxing but much better variety and a better gameplan to deal with Salvidar when he found a way round his jab.
What an engine on Sladivar though, to still have that output in the last couple rounds in a fight like this was terrific. He was not as technically brilliant as the last fight but certainly knew how to dig deep.
Bring on part 3
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I'd love to see rounds 2, 4 & 7 from the first fight as I strongly suspect Winstone could have taken all 3 and made the first a much closer fight.King Carlos wrote:Maybe it's been too long since I've watched them, because I recall the first two fights being damn near the same. Winstone boxing well in the first 10 rounds only to be beaten around the ring by Saldivar in the final 5. I remember quite a few more 10-8 and even 10-7 rounds than your scorecard suggests, too.davie wrote:Saldivar vs Winstone 2
1. Winstone
2. Winstone
3. Draw
4. Winstone
5. Winstone
6. Winstone
7. Saldivar
8. Winstone
9. Winstone
10. Winstone
11. Saldivar
12. Saldivar
13. Saldivar
14. 10-8 Saldivar
15. Saldivar
143-142 Winstone although I could have given the even round to salvidar and Winstone picked up a couple of really tight ones
Not quite as good a fight as the first but still fantastic.
Winstone improved, still neat boxing but much better variety and a better gameplan to deal with Salvidar when he found a way round his jab.
What an engine on Sladivar though, to still have that output in the last couple rounds in a fight like this was terrific. He was not as technically brilliant as the last fight but certainly knew how to dig deep.
Bring on part 3
You're right though, Winstone took a beating at several points in the second half of both fights and a couple more rounds could have been wider than just 10-9.
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scartissue
- Heavyweight
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There was a bit of chatter on another site about the bout between George Chuvalo and Mike DeJohn. I think we all know the story on this fight, but I thought I would give it a look-see. Here we go, 5 point must system in effect. Chuvalo and DeJohn.
Round 1: 5-4 DeJohn
Round 2: 5-3 DeJohn (this was the round where DeJohn gets hung up in the ropes and Chuvalo flails away like the washerwoman. The ref gives DeJohn plenty of time to recover and Chuvalo makes it worse by cutting off his gloves thinking the fight is over. There is all kinds of time here before they finish out the last 47 seconds of the round. Don Dunphy states they are giving the round to DeJohn by a score of 5-3 - awarding him the round and an extra point for what they said was a foul.)
Round 3: 5-4 Chuvalo
Round 4: 5-4 Chuvalo
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-2 Chuvalo (Chuvalo scores a clean knockdown, but after the eight count he runs at DeJohn and bundles him through the ropes and the ref helps him up. I thought it was no knockdown if he helps him up but the ref gives DeJohn an 8 count. So for 2 knockdowns I gave Chuvalo a 5-2 score.)
Round 7: 5-4 DeJohn
Round 8: 5-5 Even (I noted on my card 'clinchfest' this round - no one deserved it.)
Round 9: 5-4 Chuvalo
Round 10: 5-4 Chuvalo
Total: 46-43 Chuvalo
Whew! What an oddity of a fight.
Round 1: 5-4 DeJohn
Round 2: 5-3 DeJohn (this was the round where DeJohn gets hung up in the ropes and Chuvalo flails away like the washerwoman. The ref gives DeJohn plenty of time to recover and Chuvalo makes it worse by cutting off his gloves thinking the fight is over. There is all kinds of time here before they finish out the last 47 seconds of the round. Don Dunphy states they are giving the round to DeJohn by a score of 5-3 - awarding him the round and an extra point for what they said was a foul.)
Round 3: 5-4 Chuvalo
Round 4: 5-4 Chuvalo
Round 5: 5-5 Even
Round 6: 5-2 Chuvalo (Chuvalo scores a clean knockdown, but after the eight count he runs at DeJohn and bundles him through the ropes and the ref helps him up. I thought it was no knockdown if he helps him up but the ref gives DeJohn an 8 count. So for 2 knockdowns I gave Chuvalo a 5-2 score.)
Round 7: 5-4 DeJohn
Round 8: 5-5 Even (I noted on my card 'clinchfest' this round - no one deserved it.)
Round 9: 5-4 Chuvalo
Round 10: 5-4 Chuvalo
Total: 46-43 Chuvalo
Whew! What an oddity of a fight.
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scartissue
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zimV-vkp3M
With the recent comments on Howard Winstone I was checking out some of his bouts and found this gem. His 10 rounder with Baby Luis. I am really stunned at the clarity of the film - very sharp. And if you like nice boxing then you will love this fight. Winstone the aggressor behind that terrific jab of his and Luis the counter-puncher. I gave 9 rounds to Winstone, scoring only the 8th for Luis, but don't you believe the numbers. Every round was closely contested. This is really fine boxing.
With the recent comments on Howard Winstone I was checking out some of his bouts and found this gem. His 10 rounder with Baby Luis. I am really stunned at the clarity of the film - very sharp. And if you like nice boxing then you will love this fight. Winstone the aggressor behind that terrific jab of his and Luis the counter-puncher. I gave 9 rounds to Winstone, scoring only the 8th for Luis, but don't you believe the numbers. Every round was closely contested. This is really fine boxing.