H. Fury, Povetkin, and T. Fury in New York City

[asdfjkl]

How can someone be a 5ft4 dwarf when by definition a dwarf is someone who is 4ft10 or under.

To complain about too many weight divisions is one thing, but to claim that fighters can jump 5 divisions in a year is ludicrous.

And you claim that the average woman on the street would beat up someone like Hekkie Budler (and possibly Roman Gonzales), which just makes you look foolish.

You clearly don't follow the lower weight classes, so I'm not sure why it bothers you so much.

Ok, midget then, you still ignore the point imagine Wilder, Povetkin, Fury, Klitschko, Haye, Ortiz, everybody world champion because most of them have 3% difference in weight anyway, it would be stupit right?

It's just sad to see so many people thinking they are the best of the world while they aren't.
They are the best out of a very very very very very small group of persons in the world, in other words, nobody cares.

I'm probably the best dots and boxes player in the world, why? Because nobody cares.

[jezzamundo]

How can someone be a 5ft4 dwarf when by definition a dwarf is someone who is 4ft10 or under.

To complain about too many weight divisions is one thing, but to claim that fighters can jump 5 divisions in a year is ludicrous.

And you claim that the average woman on the street would beat up someone like Hekkie Budler (and possibly Roman Gonzales), which just makes you look foolish.

You clearly don't follow the lower weight classes, so I'm not sure why it bothers you so much.

Ok, midget then, you still ignore the point imagine Wilder, Povetkin, Fury, Klitschko, Haye, Ortiz, everybody world champion because most of them have 3% difference in weight anyway, it would be stupit right?

It's just sad to see so many people thinking they are the best of the world while they aren't.
They are the best out of a very very very very very small group of persons in the world, in other words, nobody cares.

I'm probably the best dots and boxes player in the world, why? Because nobody cares.

To call someone who is 5'4" a dwarf or midget is insulting and inaccurate. The average male height worldwide is 5'8 1'2" and the average weight is around 150lb (which means the average sized male would most likely fight at 140lb given day-before weigh-ins). To call a 5'4" man a midget is about as silly as calling a 6'2" man a giant.

[asdfjkl]

The avarage woman in my country is even more tall, the shortest guy of my class when I was 14 years old is currently about 6ft.

[crusader]

The avarage woman in my country is even more tall, the shortest guy of my class when I was 14 years old is currently about 6ft.

The average Dutch woman is taller than 5'8.5"? There have been several studies of height in the Netherlands and I've never seen an average above 5'7" (and that was for self-reports). For men I haven't seen an average above 6'0.5", and again, that's self-reports; I imagine that many guys are going to add some height but very few are going to say they're shorter than they are. There was a study in which participants were actually measured and the averages were 5'6.5" for women and 5'11.5" for men.

[jezzamundo]

The avarage woman in my country is even more tall, the shortest guy of my class when I was 14 years old is currently about 6ft.

The average Dutch woman is taller than 5'8.5"? There have been several studies of height in the Netherlands and I've never seen an average above 5'7" (and that was for self-reports). For men I haven't seen an average above 6'0.5", and again, that's self-reports; I imagine that many guys are going to add some height but very few are going to say they're shorter than they are. There was a study in which participants were actually measured and the averages were 5'6.5" for women and 5'11.5" for men.

No country in the world has an average female height of over 5'8 1/2 "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template: ... _the_world

[asdfjkl]

I ment over 5ft4, just read it again and you'll probably understand. Also, please come to the Netherlands and ypu can see it for yourself. In the big citys are loads of immigrants nowadays, but in the smaller villages 6ft4 is very normal and about 5ft 10 for woman.

http://m.wisegeek.org/which-country-has ... people.htm
Just read the comments and you'll notice. Tyson Fury regularly spars with Dutch guys as well and when you look up the sizes of the Dutch kickboxers you'll notice most of them are around 6ft6, but some over 7ft, like Sammy for example, I personally know a guy who's 7ft2.

[jezzamundo]

I ment over 5ft4, just read it again and you'll probably understand. Also, please come to the Netherlands and ypu can see it for yourself. In the big citys are loads of immigrants nowadays, but in the smaller villages 6ft4 is very normal and about 5ft 10 for woman.

http://m.wisegeek.org/which-country-has ... people.htm
Just read the comments and you'll notice. Tyson Fury regularly spars with Dutch guys as well and when you look up the sizes of the Dutch kickboxers you'll notice most of them are around 6ft6, but some over 7ft, like Sammy for example, I personally know a guy who's 7ft2.

Ok, I misunderstood, thought you were referring to the 5'8 1/2" number I gave for the average male. If you're interested, the average global female height is 5'3".

I've been to the Netherlands three times in my life to date and twice as an adult - I know you're not exaggerating, it is undoubtedly a very tall nation. I'm 6'1" and live in Australia where I'm generally seen as being fairly tall. In the Netherlands I felt decidedly average, even short in some places.

[Cap]

Increase the Cruiserweight division to 210, then create a Dreadnought division (Look up the word) from 210 to 230, and Heavyweight anything over 230. There's been calls for a Super Heavyweight division under different names since the days of Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer. If a hard-punching fast 200-pounder like Joe Frazier or even Ingemar Johansson came along now he'd soon sort these freakish basketball players out.

[jezzamundo]

Increase the Cruiserweight division to 210, then create a Dreadnought division (Look up the word) from 210 to 230, and Heavyweight anything over 230.

Why?! Neither heavyweight or cruiserweight are exactly stacked with talent and your proposed dreadnought division would steal from both. Not to mention that the gap from light heavy to cruiser would now be 35lb, leaving the guys slightly too big for light heavyweight in a difficult position.

There's been calls for a Super Heavyweight division under different names since the days of Primo Carnera and Buddy Baer.

Who were respectively knocked out by 209lb Max Baer and 206lb Joe Louis. It was a bad idea then and it's still a bad idea now.

If a hard-punching fast 200-pounder like Joe Frazier or even Ingemar Johansson came along now he'd soon sort these freakish basketball players out.

Finally you're making sense, but if you believe this, then why the need for the heavier divisions?

[Cap]

There are plenty of good cruiserweights, especially in Europe. A Dreadnought class would include dozens of fighters who will never compete effectively against the monsters. The kind of guy who can battle through all three divisions is an extremely rare fighter, the kind that appears only once or twice in a generation. Six foot or six one, punches hard enough to bust heavybags or arm bones, hits fast enough to blindside these giant freaks, with good head and foot movement and a tactical mind able to adapt mid-round.

Keep your eyes open. He's probably still in the amateurs.

[jezzamundo]

There are plenty of good cruiserweights, especially in Europe. A Dreadnought class would include dozens of fighters who will never compete effectively against the monsters. The kind of guy who can battle through all three divisions is an extremely rare fighter, the kind that appears only once or twice in a generation. Six foot or six one, punches hard enough to bust heavybags or arm bones, hits fast enough to blindside these giant freaks, with good head and foot movement and a tactical mind able to adapt mid-round.

Keep your eyes open. He's probably still in the amateurs.

The cruiserweight division isn't too bad, but it has never had the appeal of heavyweight, which is why so many guys move up, even small cruisers like Adamek, Byrd and Chambers have been happy to take on the big guys for the extra money and fame. The heavyweight division is starting to get interesting after years of being dominated by the Klitschkos, the last thing it needs is to lose fighters like Wilder, Povetkin, Haye and Hughie Fury. Not that I think any of those guys would actually entertain the thought of moving down.

I would actually agree with you if your proposal was to put cruiserweight back to 190lb and dreadnought at 205lb or 210lb max, but 210lb and 230lb makes no sense whatsoever. Hell, with a small cut of water weight, Wlad could probably have made 230lb for most of his career.