should they make Super heveyweight diveson

Otyson · Post by **Otyson** » 30 Jan 2006, 20:54

what do you think

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 30 Jan 2006, 20:55

No. There are far too many weightclasses as it is. All the 'junior' and 'super' classes need to go

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 31 Jan 2006, 10:02

raulc002 · Post by **raulc002** » 02 Feb 2006, 15:26

a what? do you mean heavyweight division? bad spelling, anyway, I dont believe a heavyweight division is necessary, if u dont want to fight the big guys get down to 200 and fight cruiserweight thats my opinion.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 03 Feb 2006, 11:08

No. To do so, is accepting that a 190 lb. heavyweight will never again win the heavyweight title. I am not yet ready to do that. Roy Jones had his way with John Ruiz. I just wish Jones had been ready to press the envelope, but he wanted no part of Lennox.
I have always loved when the great light hwt. champs stepped up to the challenge. Ketchel, Carpentier, Loughran, J. H. Lewis, Conn, Moore, Foster, Spinks. It may be asking a bit much for a natural L.H. champ to challenge a heavyweight champion to-day. I would be sorry if this rich
tradition ended. As Archie Moore said when he fought Rocky. I am a champion , too.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 03 Feb 2006, 11:18

No, tha would only further spread out a shitty division, and further put less deserving fighters higher up in the ranks.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 03 Feb 2006, 11:52

Personally, I think they should make a cut-off point in the heavyweight division, a weight limit. Weigh your huge ass in under three hundred pounds, or you can't box.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Feb 2006, 14:11

DoubleM wrote:Personally, I think they should make a cut-off point in the heavyweight division, a weight limit. Weigh your huge ass in under three hundred pounds, or you can't box.

what about valuev? with his height and build, do u think he can get under 300lb?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 03 Feb 2006, 14:20

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
DoubleM wrote:Personally, I think they should make a cut-off point in the heavyweight division, a weight limit. Weigh your huge ass in under three hundred pounds, or you can't box.
what about valuev? with his height and build, do u think he can get under 300lb?

PLay basketball...jk

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Feb 2006, 14:21

i say we dig up rocky marciano and jack dempsey and have them KTFO all the big guys today

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 03 Feb 2006, 14:23

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
DoubleM wrote:Personally, I think they should make a cut-off point in the heavyweight division, a weight limit. Weigh your huge ass in under three hundred pounds, or you can't box.
what about valuev? with his height and build, do u think he can get under 300lb?

I'd ban him from boxing. That's what I'm saying... There should be a cut off point. Real fans don't want to watch some freak show lumber all over the place.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 03 Feb 2006, 14:41

I have two views. I think guys are getting bigger these days and are getting fitter. I have always thought they should have a superheavyweight division. But then I think of Holyfield, one of the greatest HW, beating guys 2-3 stone ever than him. I think an upper limit is better. Valuev is a freak so you won't get many of him. But an upper limit will at least stop some fat, lazy guy making a bit of cash getting beat up.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 03 Feb 2006, 15:06

Arsenal wrote:I have two views. I think guys are getting bigger these days and are getting fitter. I have always thought they should have a superheavyweight division. But then I think of Holyfield, one of the greatest HW, beating guys 2-3 stone ever than him. I think an upper limit is better. Valuev is a freak so you won't get many of him. But an upper limit will at least stop some fat, lazy guy making a bit of cash getting beat up.

Woah - bigger, yes, but not fitter. Would you call Lennox Lewis, Hasim Rahman, Nicolay Valuev, fitter than Rocky Marciano or Joe Frazier?

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 03 Feb 2006, 15:12

What I meant was for their size they are fitter. In the past anyone past 17 stone was just a bum. Now guys are coming in very big but who are fitter. I can see your point. Fighters of the past fought over 15 rounds. But Marciano and Frazier were smaller than the guys you named. However I would disagree about Lewis. Although I am bias. I think he would outbox and then win by a late stoppage over Frazier and Marciano. Valuev and Rahman are just HW boxers. But with Lewis you are talking about one the best HW in history. So IMO a big strong Lewis ,with his skills would be too much for Frazier and Marciano. But to be honest you always have boxers who love to train and those who don't.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 03 Feb 2006, 16:16

I wasn't saying Marciano or Frazier would beat Lewis... I don't wish to get into these mythical matchups. But when you said they were getting bigger and fitter, I had to chime in.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 03 Feb 2006, 17:04

Nothing wrong with a discussion where people disagree!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 03 Feb 2006, 18:24

Oh jesus christ! isn't boxing enough like Wreastling already???.... :x :x

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 03 Feb 2006, 18:27

Arsenal wrote:What I meant was for their size they are fitter. In the past anyone past 17 stone was just a bum. Now guys are coming in very big but who are fitter. I can see your point. Fighters of the past fought over 15 rounds. But Marciano and Frazier were smaller than the guys you named. However I would disagree about Lewis. Although I am bias. I think he would outbox and then win by a late stoppage over Frazier and Marciano. Valuev and Rahman are just HW boxers. But with Lewis you are talking about one the best HW in history. So IMO a big strong Lewis ,with his skills would be too much for Frazier and Marciano. But to be honest you always have boxers who love to train and those who don't.

Fit??? how many heavyweight fights have you watched recently?.... they are usually worn out after 3 or 4 rounds.... thats not my definition of fitness. How could Lewis beat Frazier when he was koed by the likes of Mccall and Rahman?.... thats a ludicrous statement!....

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 03 Feb 2006, 23:31

I could easily Lewis beating Frazier. I don't really see anything odd about picking Lewis to beat Frazier.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 04 Feb 2006, 00:12

Yes. What boxing needs is more weight classes.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 04 Feb 2006, 04:13

Decagon wrote:Well, it was the Ambling Alp who first inspired talk about a division above heavyweight. :P

And just look at the film Carnera was a better boxer then Nicolay . . .

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 04 Feb 2006, 13:17

Ambling Alp wrote:Yes. What boxing needs is more weight classes.

I agree there should be a different weightclass every 2lbs upto 300lbs.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 04 Feb 2006, 18:49

That way one Fighter can win "Championships " in 20 or so divisions.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 04 Feb 2006, 18:50

That way one Fighter can win "Championships " in 20 or so divisions.

Imagine all those sanctioning fees for the alphabet boys.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 05 Feb 2006, 10:27

I think the time has come that the 175 to 190 lb. division ( Cuiserweight }
if you will, become as accepted a division, as any of the others. It may be recognized in theory, but it doesn't sell. Promoters don't want anything to do with it, for the most part. Really, It is up to the paying public . What do you think ?

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