Greatest wins of all time?

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What do you consider to be the top 5 greatest wins of all time? Taking into account the performance, opponent, significance of the fight etc.

Frazier beating Ali and Duran beating Leonard spring to mind for me.
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Frazier v Ali 1.
Ali v Foreman.
Schmeling v Louis 1.
Benn v McClellan (minus the outcome of course).
Saad Muhammad v Lopez 2.

There's so many to think of.
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Frazier over ali, Duran over Leonard, Leonard over hearns, holyfield over qawi & Morales over pac...sticking with my live experience.
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The greatest might be Louis-Schmeling II. The whole world was watching at the dawn of WWII. To Hitler a Schmeling win would have helped cement his views of Aryan superiority. To the Americans, Joe's definitive victory, together with Jesse Owens' performance in the Berlin games, proved America's strength. In addition Louis' victory was a shot in the arm for the African American community.

Others:

Johnson-Jeffries (so racially charged!)
Ali-Liston (a huge upset that began an era and, together with the Beatles U.S. arrival, ushered in "the sixties" in February 64)
Frazier-Ali (so politically charged!)
Ali-Foreman (cemented the Ali legend (along with Frazier III))
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Greatest wins ever. Greb's one sided beatdown of Tunney. Robinson's one punch knockout of Fullmer. Armstrong's domination of Ross. Saddler's KO of Pep.
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Seamus wrote:Greatest wins ever. Greb's one sided beatdown of Tunney. Robinson's one punch knockout of Fullmer. Armstrong's domination of Ross. Saddler's KO of Pep.
I would rate Greb's victory over Walker highly, too. Greb was past his best, had one good eye, but came out on top against a prime top-20-ish all-time great.
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Frazier prevailing over Ali in The Big One is clearly tops.

Also agree that Duran beating Leonard in Montreal was extra special. That scene was electric.

Patterson becoming the first heavyweight to regain the title by knocking out Ingo was also a great win.

Ali over Foreman, Rocky over JJW, Louis taking out Schmeling, Dempsey smashing Willard, and Corbett over Sullivan also come to mind.
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1) Ali-Frazier I
2) Louis-Schmeling II
3) Ali-Foreman
4) Foreman-Moorer
5) Tyson-Douglas
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sweetsci wrote:The greatest might be Louis-Schmeling II. The whole world was watching at the dawn of WWII. To Hitler a Schmeling win would have helped cement his views of Aryan superiority. To the Americans, Joe's definitive victory, together with Jesse Owens' performance in the Berlin games, proved America's strength.
with the big irony that the "american strength"
was almost as much racist as the germans ...
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i think the single greatest win of all time
was ali-foreman. ali frazier I was a great
fight between two equal athletes, ali foreman
was bambi going to the slaughter house.
it was the fights preceding this one that
build the story. ali ageing, not being able
to defeat joe, while foreman hardly needed
to break sweat to humiliate both joe and ken.

i see schmeling - louis II as the by far biggest
win in terms of geo politics, but nothing can
top ali foreman in terms of boxing drama.
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Salvador Sanchez's victory over Wilfredo Gomez at Caesars Palace was highly significant for a few reasons. It brought him in to the mainstream and it was a bout between two all-time greats in their prime. I would describe that a "great, great win".

I would also nominate Evander Holyfield's victory in the 2nd fight with Riddick Bowe. Although it was a strange old night, it was a great performance by Holyfield when he defeated a bigger, younger & stronger man. It showed how great both the sport of boxing can be, and how Holyfield himself as a truly great fighter.
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Crease wrote:Salvador Sanchez's victory over Wilfredo Gomez at Caesars Palace was highly significant for a few reasons. It brought him in to the mainstream and it was a bout between two all-time greats in their prime. I would describe that a "great, great win.
Gomez was moving up in weight against a bigger, younger man. It was a very good win, not great.
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King Carlos wrote:Gomez was moving up in weight against a bigger, younger man. It was a very good win, not great.
Indeed, but Gomez was coming of 13 straight defenses of the WBC Super Bantamweight title, beating a good standard of opposition (stopping all of them them) along the way - and in doing cemented his place as probably the greatest Super Bantamweight of all time. He only moved up a single weight class, was unbeaten at the time and Gomez was the favourite going in to the fight.

It is also worth pointing out that Gomez would later go on to win the WBC Featherweight title (once held by Sanchez) and moved up yet another division to win the WBC Super Featherweight title as well.

All things considered, yeah - it was a great win.
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writehooks wrote:1) Ali-Frazier I
2) Louis-Schmeling II
3) Ali-Foreman
4) Foreman-Moorer
5) Tyson-Douglas
6) Fury vs Wlad. ;-)

Yeah, pretty much these are the ones I reckon, massive wins!
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Pac over Barrera would have to be top ten, if not quite top 5?
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These are mine:
Joe Frazier W15 Muhammad Ali (I)
Roberto Duran W15 Sugar Ray Leonard (I)
Salvador Sanchez WTKO8 Wilfredo Gomez
Carlos Monzon WTKO7 Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles
Joe Louis WKO1 Max Schmeling
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Degree of difficulty should be the primary factor, not necessarily significance. Greb and Armstrong simply should not have been able to dominate larger alltime greats Tunney and Ross, but they did. Robinson shouldn't have been able to KO Gene Fullmer with one punch. Saddler shouldn't have been able to demolish Willie Pep in there first bout.

Others I'd add. Both of Fighting Harada's wins over Eder Jofre, which were wider than the official scores.
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....and Jimmy McLarlin's 1st round stoppage Young Corbett III
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The great Bob Fitzsimmons of England "Solar Plexus Punch" victory over James J. Corbett in 1899 gotta be one of the top ten greatest wins and accomplishments of all time in boxing history.

He was the first middleweight champion to win the heavyweight crown. And also the sport first triple crown titlist in history. An amazing feat.
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Schmelling vs Louis 1
Leonard vs Hearns 1
Ali vs Foreman
Tunney vs Dempsey 1
De La Hoya vs Chavez 1
Marciano vs Walcott 1
Walcott vs Ezzard 3
Frazier vs Ali 1
Duran vs Leonard 1
Pacquaio vs Barrera
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Delahoya/Chavez? Ever? Lmao
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:, holyfield over qawi & Morales over pac....
??? :oo
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Chavez have 96-1-1 and was a big name, their whole story before the game was interesting and De La Hoya called him his hero. Frankly hard to believe that it was strange that I mentioned. Surely the reason for our disagreement on another topic so far this your post.
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Keko wrote:Chavez have 96-1-1 and was a big name, their whole story before the game was interesting and De La Hoya called him his hero. Frankly hard to believe that it was strange that I mentioned. Surely the reason for our disagreement on another topic so far this your post.
No, just an odd mention. I find it hard to imagine that Oscar beating the smaller and past his prime Chavez would be in the top 1,000 wins.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Keko wrote:Chavez have 96-1-1 and was a big name, their whole story before the game was interesting and De La Hoya called him his hero. Frankly hard to believe that it was strange that I mentioned. Surely the reason for our disagreement on another topic so far this your post.
No, just an odd mention. I find it hard to imagine that Oscar beating the smaller and past his prime Chavez would be in the top 1,000 wins.
Ok
:box: for me is great big win.
Chavez was true legend and hreat champ.
It was a great atmosphere around and the first fight
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