Regulating Boxing Successfully.

[ImranSarwar]

Who is DOWN with the UWBCAFO-I (est. March/2007). Purpose is to ECHELON the "whole of the SPORT"! '1e' are the FIRST Major FOUR. The '2e' possibilities are EVERYTHING ELSE. Who would like to talk it here? I view the Ibo as the first/ worst "cancer" of all of BOXING.

[handsofstone]

I'm struggling to understand your post mate but i seen the bit about the IBO being worst

I dont see the IBO being relevant enough to hurt boxing too much but for me theres no doubt the WBA are worst by far with their Regular/Super/Unified/Interim trinkets

4 "world" champions and thats without mentioning the Inter Continental and International belts,also i see they've got a Continental title as well now


How long will Ward be inactive before he's stripped?

The WBC aren't much better,when will they along with the WBA force Mayweather to fight a mandatory,also when will they stop letting Floyd hog 2 belts from 2 weight divisions? I cant imagine Brook getting away with that,is it any wonder Mayweather's an egomaniac who believes he's bigger than the sport,i dont blame him the way the governing bodies pander to him and let him play by his own rules

[ReggieDiggs]

There's a lot of mfers who need to take their pills every day here lately isn't there?

[ImranSarwar]

Hands of stone: Sorry been such GAP- in time! -YIE-
No..I stand my ground! You say how you don't think that the IBO "is relevant enough to hurt boxing TOO MUCH" (?) --they harm the Sport alright!--
I "FEEL" for you what you are saying about the WBA and their THREE champions. But..really -there- you only need to consider their "supreme" ruler. When I do my private STUDIES on the HISTORY (HEAVYWEIGHT DIV) that's what I do. I figure who is the "supreme" and I count THEM as a true WORLD-TITLE HOLDER!
^ ^ ^ It's an idiocentricity.. YES! But...let THEM live thru it. Their have been signs that that may CHANGE DOWN!
The situation IS that the WBC & WBA are the FIRST TWO Established. Then came the IBF (durring Larry Holmes dominant rein..) & last came the WBO. & now we have them FOUR -plus- TEN more "governing organizations".
I SAY: let's go with THE ESTABLISHMENT! And, what I am looking to do is to bring an UMBRELLA and a goverance to the '2e'.
How long you been involved with this SPORT? I mean..

[Lennox]

There's a lot of mfers who need to take their pills every day here lately isn't there?

Nice to see you back Reggie, you bin backed up? sectioned? or too busy studying my boxing rankings? :O)

[Lennox]

There's a lot of mfers who need to take their pills every day here lately isn't there?

Nice to see you back Reggie, you bin banged up? sectioned? or just too busy studying my boxing rankings? :O)

[Lennox]

Who is DOWN with the UWBCAFO-I (est. March/2007). Purpose is to ECHELON the "whole of the SPORT"! '1e' are the FIRST Major FOUR. The '2e' possibilities are EVERYTHING ELSE. Who would like to talk it here? I view the Ibo as the first/ worst "cancer" of all of BOXING.

IBO are the best of them all.

[Tony1244]

1. 15 round title fights.

2. 9 divisions

3. 1 title per division

4. Mandatory matches are made, like in tennis. If a fighter is injured, the next guy in line gets the fight.

5. Fights continue until a fighter is KOd, 3 knockdowns or mandatory 8 counts in a round, a doctor or ref stops the fight on a cut, or a fighter quits. Too many early stoppages. If a fighter can walk towards the ref, the fight continues.

[Lennox]

1. 15 round title fights.

2. 9 divisions

3. 1 title per division

4. Mandatory matches are made, like in tennis. If a fighter is injured, the next guy in line gets the fight.

5. Fights continue until a fighter is KOd, 3 knockdowns or mandatory 8 counts in a round, a doctor or ref stops the fight on a cut, or a fighter quits. Too many early stoppages. If a fighter can walk towards the ref, the fight continues.

15 rounds more people will be killed. With 9 divisions more people will be killed or can't compete, there was a fight a week or two ago that was cancelled because one fighter weighed 200 and the other weighed 183, both cruiserweight but considered unfair by the commission. If a fighter can walk forward to the ref and it continues more people will be killed or seriously harmed. I think the only thing it needs is a mandated system that can't include options, every 12 months the champion must face his mandatory, as soon as a mandatory is established a new set of eliminators start. They can start with lots of fighters just the top 4 get seeded into the quarter-final.

[caldo2025]

I'm struggling to understand your post mate but i seen the bit about the IBO being worst

I dont see the IBO being relevant enough to hurt boxing too much but for me theres no doubt the WBA are worst by far with their Regular/Super/Unified/Interim trinkets

4 "world" champions and thats without mentioning the Inter Continental and International belts,also i see they've got a Continental title as well now


How long will Ward be inactive before he's stripped?

The WBC aren't much better,when will they along with the WBA force Mayweather to fight a mandatory,also when will they stop letting Floyd hog 2 belts from 2 weight divisions? I cant imagine Brook getting away with that,is it any wonder Mayweather's an egomaniac who believes he's bigger than the sport,i dont blame him the way the governing bodies pander to him and let him play by his own rules

These are the things that bother me most about these governing bodies. The way they subjectively enforce the rules depending upon the Boxer in each situation. In the Floyd scenario, the WBA and WBC felt fortunate to have Floyd as their champion and for good reason I suppose. I'm sure they made more money off of the sanctioning cut from a Floyd title defense than they did off the rest of their champions combined in a year. Floyd wasn't motivated by titles in his most profitable years, I don't think. He cared most about his cut of the purse.

The whole system is broke and it's not going to be fixed because there's no commissioner governing over the sport as a whole.

[Tony1244]

1. 15 round title fights.

2. 9 divisions

3. 1 title per division

4. Mandatory matches are made, like in tennis. If a fighter is injured, the next guy in line gets the fight.

5. Fights continue until a fighter is KOd, 3 knockdowns or mandatory 8 counts in a round, a doctor or ref stops the fight on a cut, or a fighter quits. Too many early stoppages. If a fighter can walk towards the ref, the fight continues.

15 rounds more people will be killed. With 9 divisions more people will be killed or can't compete, there was a fight a week or two ago that was cancelled because one fighter weighed 200 and the other weighed 183, both cruiserweight but considered unfair by the commission. If a fighter can walk forward to the ref and it continues more people will be killed or seriously harmed. I think the only thing it needs is a mandated system that can't include options, every 12 months the champion must face his mandatory, as soon as a mandatory is established a new set of eliminators start. They can start with lots of fighters just the top 4 get seeded into the quarter-final.

If there are 9 divisions and a "fighter" can't compete, I have a newsflash for this "fighter," he can't compete period.

A lot of fighters @ 183 can beat guys @ 200. If the guy @ 183 can't fight at 175, or can't gain a few pounds of muscle and fight a guy @ 200, he needs to find a day job.

Perhaps 4 standing 8 counts and knockdowns in a fight, the fight should be stopped.

I do agree with your seed formation.

[ImranSarwar]

^ ^ All this. First & foremost: Lennox is on my stream - - Open talk; stress on boxing administration in modern
He came on there a first time in the 14th post. 14 Jan. this YEAR... (15:33). O.K. /at least the conversation doesn't show nerosis conditions! In his second post the next day he gives his credentials; & that includes 15 years employment by the IBO; 26 years involved w/ the SPORT.
I talk to him, "at length".
Tomasino is involved on the stream!
Lennox, if you read him at that Stream, "agrees" that ONE Organization is better but....thinks it "ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN".
I work to ENFORCE the FIRST &MAJOR FOUR. I call them, simply, "the first echelon". I make a WAY for all other groups, & in a "second echelon capacity". The '2e'\value: Approx. FIVE USA States. "Advertised" for-what-it-is\ &.. "Echelons DON'T MIX!"
We are talking FOUR GROUPS NOT ONE GROUP. Their already are FOUR GROUPS. We are "containing" the Sport, now!
Lennox goes on to say (and I quote him on what YET WAS THERE TODAY!) "....but it is not going to happen. So I think the more the better as each delutes the other 'title'."
Goes on to say: "I don't think it matters anymore blah blah......."\\
"That" is NO KIND OF LEADERSHIP. Lennox also is quoted saying: "let it be 8 or 9 (groups) it doesn't matter".
I TOLD HIM in the Stream what I see in him. That he is "going to HELL!"
Lennox starts up the Premier Boxing Organisation" -or- the PBO. &..I try-as-I-may to "talk SENSE" with the man..but, in end Lennox claims that the PBO only "charts" and does their own rating and they DO NOT make "champions".
Boxing has lost so VERY MUCH "Self Esteem" in the EYES- OF the world wide media &...we, these days..so NO EFFORT to project the Sport on a "general base"/AT ALL!
I blame boxing loss of a "seating"/within GENERAL SOCIETY on this MESS of goverance.
No it doesn't "help" anything what the WBA is doing..but..maybe their is a "greater message" in it all. But..I see that as a "wart" and if any individual reading my message is a true boxing fan.... and..let's say you do your own TRACK to understand the Heavyweight history. When you came to that "knot", all-you- are gonna do is to COUNT the No. 1 placed sitting "champion". The others are in NO WAY/SHAPE/OR FORM getting onto your "champions" list.
Greg Page was truly a world Heavyweight boxing champion. These "No.2" guy in the "wart",ARE NOT!
But, STILL... I am gonna COUNT the WBA. They are a "major" established entity within the framework.
But, I am NOT GONNA COUNT THE IBO! & I see the way to FIGHT THIS is that the First &major four get together about certain understandings! Then, UNITE THEIR TITLES WHEN POSSIBLE BUT..."get harsh" with the champs who hold WBC WBA IBF OR WBO with "another".
I have identified the IBO as the "worst cancer" of all of them. And...I TRY to talk to them, too! "No dice", of course! But....their is NO NEED FOR A GROUP FIVE.
I draw the LINE after the first four.

[tiny_acres]

More propaganda from another snake oil salesman.

[expe]

1. 15 round title fights.

2. 9 divisions

3. 1 title per division

4. Mandatory matches are made, like in tennis. If a fighter is injured, the next guy in line gets the fight.

5. Fights continue until a fighter is KOd, 3 knockdowns or mandatory 8 counts in a round, a doctor or ref stops the fight on a cut, or a fighter quits. Too many early stoppages. If a fighter can walk towards the ref, the fight continues.

What a load of fornicating bollocks, how fornicating stupid are you?

This fella managed to walk forward, by your standards he'd have been allowed to carry on until he inevitably finished up out cold on the canvas.

https://twitter.com/AgainstTRopes/statu ... 5585202176

[ImranSarwar]

More propaganda from another snake oil salesman.

Who are you addressing??

[Tony1244]

1. 15 round title fights.

2. 9 divisions

3. 1 title per division

4. Mandatory matches are made, like in tennis. If a fighter is injured, the next guy in line gets the fight.

5. Fights continue until a fighter is KOd, 3 knockdowns or mandatory 8 counts in a round, a doctor or ref stops the fight on a cut, or a fighter quits. Too many early stoppages. If a fighter can walk towards the ref, the fight continues.

What a load of effing bollocks, how effing stupid are you?

This fella managed to walk forward, by your standards he'd have been allowed to carry on until he inevitably finished up out cold on the canvas.

https://twitter.com/AgainstTRopes/statu ... 5585202176

English isn't your first language. I understand this website is international. Please get someone to translate for you. if you don't have any bilingual friends, a translation website should do.


I made it abundantly clear that I'd impose a 3 knockdown and/or 3 standing 8 counts in a round. Four for an entire fight. If a fighter stumbles towards the ref, the fight should be over. Just trying to reduce the"early stoppage." Relax.

[ImranSarwar]

Tony, we are the Friendship but..I can see where expe could be confused! : )
Boxing IS NOT going to return to 15r. for one! They can get spots in -15 r- but that is about the best you can hope for. "Main-stream" 15r? Could come one! Could be a reality but..for my mind and for SUBJECT that WE AS A PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE to effect I choose to stay on it the "Echeloning" effect that I have been working on with my UWBCAFO-I/ since March/2007.
WBC WBA IBF WBO -cut off- "everything else" open to a second echelon. The value there being approx. FIVE USA States.
I have my theory defined and have already expressed details.

[expe]

1. 15 round title fights.

2. 9 divisions

3. 1 title per division

4. Mandatory matches are made, like in tennis. If a fighter is injured, the next guy in line gets the fight.

5. Fights continue until a fighter is KOd, 3 knockdowns or mandatory 8 counts in a round, a doctor or ref stops the fight on a cut, or a fighter quits. Too many early stoppages. If a fighter can walk towards the ref, the fight continues.

What a load of effing bollocks, how effing stupid are you?

This fella managed to walk forward, by your standards he'd have been allowed to carry on until he inevitably finished up out cold on the canvas.

https://twitter.com/AgainstTRopes/statu ... 5585202176

English isn't your first language. I understand this website is international. Please get someone to translate for you. if you don't have any bilingual friends, a translation website should do.


I made it abundantly clear that I'd impose a 3 knockdown and/or 3 standing 8 counts in a round. Four for an entire fight. If a fighter stumbles towards the ref, the fight should be over. Just trying to reduce the"early stoppage." Relax.

I am English you fornicating Yank cockwomble.

So what happens if the fighter doesn't go down then? Shannon Briggs stayed on his feet for 12 rounds against Vitali, to you that was perfectly fine even though he ended up in intensive care afterwards. Marquez went down three times in the first round against Pacquaio and fought back to get a draw. There's a reason that stoppages are left to the referee's discretion, because that's what's safest. There's some idiots who have far too much power in boxing, but thank God none of them are as foolish as you, otherwise we'd be seeing fighters get seriously injured on a regular basis.

[Tony1244]

What a load of effing bollocks, how effing stupid are you?

This fella managed to walk forward, by your standards he'd have been allowed to carry on until he inevitably finished up out cold on the canvas.

https://twitter.com/AgainstTRopes/statu ... 5585202176

English isn't your first language. I understand this website is international. Please get someone to translate for you. if you don't have any bilingual friends, a translation website should do.


I made it abundantly clear that I'd impose a 3 knockdown and/or 3 standing 8 counts in a round. Four for an entire fight. If a fighter stumbles towards the ref, the fight should be over. Just trying to reduce the"early stoppage." Relax.

I am English you effing Yank cockwomble.



So what happens if the fighter doesn't go down then? Shannon Briggs stayed on his feet for 12 rounds against Vitali, to you that was perfectly fine even though he ended up in intensive care afterwards. Marquez went down three times in the first round against Pacquaio and fought back to get a draw. There's a reason that stoppages are left to the referee's discretion, because that's what's safest. There's some idiots who have far too much power in boxing, but thank God none of them are as foolish as you, otherwise we'd be seeing fighters get seriously injured on a regular basis.

Gee, besides having poor reading comprehension, I can see you're well adjusted and a happy camper. The example you espoused, works against you. The Briggs fight wasn't stopped. There is no fool proof way of doing this. Fighters have died or were badly maimed and it being no fault of the referee. Kim and Gerald McGellian sp? are examples of that. Perhaps if you weren't so unhappy, you'd read better.

[Tony1244]

Tony, we are the Friendship but..I can see where expe could be confused! : )
Boxing IS NOT going to return to 15r. for one! They can get spots in -15 r- but that is about the best you can hope for. "Main-stream" 15r? Could come one! Could be a reality but..for my mind and for SUBJECT that WE AS A PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE to effect I choose to stay on it the "Echeloning" effect that I have been working on with my UWBCAFO-I/ since March/2007.
WBC WBA IBF WBO -cut off- "everything else" open to a second echelon. The value there being approx. FIVE USA States.
I have my theory defined and have already expressed details.

I never said I thought it would go back to 15 rounds. I thought the "assignment"was ways we'd like to improve boxing. We've all seen fights where we thought the fight was stopped prematurely. I addressed that.

Sometimes a fighter is trapped in a corner and the fight is stopped too soon. Maybe I'm the only one on here that has been disappointed by premature stoppages. Sometimes refs are crooked. A proper balance between safety and competition isn't always easy. sorry for breaking "expe's water.

[ImranSarwar]

Tony, we are the Friendship but..I can see where expe could be confused! : )
Boxing IS NOT going to return to 15r. for one! They can get spots in -15 r- but that is about the best you can hope for. "Main-stream" 15r? Could come one! Could be a reality but..for my mind and for SUBJECT that WE AS A PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE to effect I choose to stay on it the "Echeloning" effect that I have been working on with my UWBCAFO-I/ since March/2007.
WBC WBA IBF WBO -cut off- "everything else" open to a second echelon. The value there being approx. FIVE USA States.
I have my theory defined and have already expressed details.

I never said I thought it would go back to 15 rounds. I thought the "assignment"was ways we'd like to improve boxing. We've all seen fights where we thought the fight was stopped prematurely. I addressed that.

Sometimes a fighter is trapped in a corner and the fight is stopped too soon. Maybe I'm the only one on here that has been disappointed by premature stoppages. Sometimes refs are crooked. A proper balance between safety and competition isn't always easy. sorry for breaking "expe's water.

I agree fights DO get "stopped" too easily. I fought 12X my own self (pro) three of them were stopped and, "if complaining did any good..," I WOULD OF protested two of them..
I'm not looking critically at the dimension of "stops" a.t.m!
No. This isn't meant to be "hypothetical". We are dealing in REAL TIME.

[Tony1244]

Tony, we are the Friendship but..I can see where expe could be confused! : )
Boxing IS NOT going to return to 15r. for one! They can get spots in -15 r- but that is about the best you can hope for. "Main-stream" 15r? Could come one! Could be a reality but..for my mind and for SUBJECT that WE AS A PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE to effect I choose to stay on it the "Echeloning" effect that I have been working on with my UWBCAFO-I/ since March/2007.
WBC WBA IBF WBO -cut off- "everything else" open to a second echelon. The value there being approx. FIVE USA States.
I have my theory defined and have already expressed details.

I never said I thought it would go back to 15 rounds. I thought the "assignment"was ways we'd like to improve boxing. We've all seen fights where we thought the fight was stopped prematurely. I addressed that.

Sometimes a fighter is trapped in a corner and the fight is stopped too soon. Maybe I'm the only one on here that has been disappointed by premature stoppages. Sometimes refs are crooked. A proper balance between safety and competition isn't always easy. sorry for breaking "expe's water.

I agree fights DO get "stopped" too easily. I fought 12X my own self (pro) three of them were stopped and, "if complaining did any good..," I WOULD OF protested two of them..
I'm not looking critically at the dimension of "stops" a.t.m!
No. This isn't meant to be "hypothetical". We are dealing in REAL TIME.

Nothing is more frustrating than a fight stopped too soon. I've always tried to come up with solutions for that. Of course you have to balance premature stoppages with safety and there probably is no perfect solution. Nice discussing it with people like you who don't have PMS online.

[ImranSarwar]

Yeah! Probably will always be happening! [I fought one chap he contended for US Olympic team....I know the chap well.. he is lot better than me + sz-difference. He wins on points little by little adds up to a MILE..but...match gets "stopped" w/18 seconds to go.. then, my next match..again put against someone, "calibrated", but...they don't rate as much as that start.....I nearly scored 1st r. KO but..it continued.. come r.4 I was "near shocked" that the Ref DID NOT stop it how he was "teeing off" on me! L-4 in my record..
So...first match I wasn't even getting hit at all when it gets stopped...only/ was "under good presure"...the next bout I'm under a good barrage! So....does a Ref "measure" whom it is your in against TOO? Anyway, no complete Science to it Ref- ing and "stopping" or NOT STOPPING a match!]

[ImranSarwar]

^ ^ ^ Just so it's understood.. I am interested in "Centralized Government" OF the Boxing Sport. Along the line OF the IBF, WBO, WBA, WBC. I am >utterly< "against" the IBO (especially) because they somehow have made a beachhead within the Sport. Of course, the IBC, NBA, WAA, WBF, WBU all try to do the same!
"World championships"/None effect on Intercontinental or the like.. & None effect on Women's boxing =simply= because I myself do not know enough there! [maybe the VERY REPUTABLE/ my "good friend" Dean Smith CEO of the ABA (American/Patriotic Titles only!) knows something there but I do not hint hint WBC WBA IBF WBO! -smile- !!]
[email protected] ALERT ME. Once in a while I look at the desert "Topic" How would you improve boxing in USA, amateur and pro. The topic created by NateKnuckles a FEW YEARS AGO!
My friendships at The Jerry Quarry Foundation: Jimmy Dorsey; Jim I., and Angelo ASK I publicize their "letters" section. So, ONCE..I can do that! : )
JohnWilkinson My-bidforoffice [was trying a VICE PRESIDENTIAL bid! "No Gay marriage...." PLEASE! Or, if must at least let it be a FAIR VOTE...not this communisum we are seeing!] < my Facebook.
860-515-7680 Verizon (number temp out, today..)
Other similar streams I am on per this same topic ("Centralized Government Boxing") include: Fights I would like to get into (me)// *Anthony Taylor Defending WBU title; Who/what is the #1 problem?\\\ Administration where can the Sport do better\\ -and- Introduction: the UWBCAFO-I.

[ikorolev]

The main problems of boxing are not a number of weight classes, rounds or even PED use.

In my opinion, the main problem is multiple ABC orgs and rules of each org being too flexible/bendable. Ideally there should be just one league A org, and it's rules should be clear and not bendable. For example, a champion shouldn't have have a choice to not fight his mandatory, and a mandatory should always be the highest ranking available opponent, and weight shouldn't be a subject of discussion. If an eliminator is ordered, it should always be among two highest ranking available opponents, not for example #2 and #7 if the ABC President wants so.

Superbowl/Stanley Cup/etc. winners don't have a choice of opponents in their next seasons, so shouldn't boxing champions.