Wilder will beat Povetkin with a style

[crusader]

Wilder struggled with Molina, Dahaupas, Szpilka.

that's pure comedy.

-molina lost all but one round on two cards, and every round on the other, then knocked out.
-dahaupas lost all but one round on two cards, and every round on the other, then knocked out.
-only one judge gave spilka a single round before getting carried out on a stretcher.

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All the judges gave Szpilka at least two rounds (and only two is harsh IMO), and one gave him three. Molina also clearly rocked Wilder in the third, so it's not like Deontay sailed through that bout without problems.

He conclusively won all these fights but I didn't find the nature of his wins impressive. He's obviously got physical tools and keeps his power late, and I think he's more durable than many first suspected, but pronounced technical shortcomings still clearly exist.

[Undefeated49-0]

All the judges gave Szpilka at least two rounds (IMO generous to Wilder), and one gave him three. Molina also clearly rocked Wilder in the third, so it's not like Deontay sailed through that bout without problems.

So from what I have been reading here is that some of these folks are drawing on the ASSumption that because Wilder got rocked by Molina, struggled with Szpilzka or didn't look so good vs certain fighters that he will somehow lose to Povetkin (am I right)??

If that's the case then let's not forget that Floyd was rocked by Corley, Mosley and Manny but he beat all of them.

Getting rocked or struggling with one opponent doesn't mean it will happen against every opponent. Wilder should be showing vulnerabilities, even moreso than he has shown based on how little experience he really has based on the amount of rounds he's actually fought as a Pro.

TBH, I'm actually surprised that some of these more experienced fighters have let someone as amateurish as Wilder beat them, dude only has a total of no more than 50 rounds of actual pro boxing experience yet he finds a way to beat all of these guys with more experience and better boxing pedigree.

[Tarkus]

Wilder struggled with Molina, Dahaupas, Szpilka.

that's pure comedy.

-molina lost all but one round on two cards, and every round on the other, then knocked out.
-dahaupas lost all but one round on two cards, and every round on the other, then knocked out.
-only one judge gave spilka a single round before getting carried out on a stretcher.

this forum is exploring new poo talking worlds, seeking out new poo talking life and civilizations, and
going boldly where no poo talker has gone before.

All the judges gave Szpilka at least two rounds, and one gave him three.

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards. What it means is that he performed worse then expected form a world champion against B and C level fighters. And at times he looked like shit. Like when wobbled by Molina. And most importantly he performed certainly worse then Povetkin in his respective fights against higher class fighters. Which was the point in the OP that I was criticizing. No need to pick on each choice of words. Meaning of my post should be clear even for an imbecile boxing fan.

BTW scorecards of corrupt judges in Haymon pocket means nothing to me.

[Undefeated49-0]

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards. What it means is that he performed worse then expected form a world champion against B and C level fighters. And at times he looked like poo. Like when wobbled by Molina. And most importantly he performed certainly worse then Povetkin in his respective fights against higher class fighters. Which was the point in the OP that I was criticizing. No need to pick on each choice of words. Meaning of my post should be clear even for an imbecile boxing fan.

BTW scorecards of corrupt judges in Haymon pocket means nothing to me.

I get it, there was really no need for the breakdown but he in actuality is no more than a B or C Champion himself based on his level of skills, lack of pro ring experience and level of competition.

Why are boxing fans acting as if Wilder is an A Level fighter??

[Tarkus]

Why are boxing fans acting as if Wilder is an A Level fighter?

Beats me.

[conty22]

that's pure comedy.

-molina lost all but one round on two cards, and every round on the other, then knocked out.
-dahaupas lost all but one round on two cards, and every round on the other, then knocked out.
-only one judge gave spilka a single round before getting carried out on a stretcher.

this forum is exploring new poo talking worlds, seeking out new poo talking life and civilizations, and
going boldly where no poo talker has gone before.

All the judges gave Szpilka at least two rounds, and one gave him three.

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards. What it means is that he performed worse then expected form a world champion against B and C level fighters. And at times he looked like poo. Like when wobbled by Molina. And most importantly he performed certainly worse then Povetkin in his respective fights against higher class fighters. Which was the point in the OP that I was criticizing. No need to pick on each choice of words. Meaning of my post should be clear even for an imbecile boxing fan.

BTW scorecards of corrupt judges in Haymon pocket means nothing to me.

Wilder landed more powerfull and clear punches. Szpilka did some action but Wilder blocked most of those punches if you could see. Soccer is also not about activity , it is about scoring goals.

[sucracristo]

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards.

he pretty much dominated those opponents. you are grasping at straws to
try to even make those fights out to be slightly competitive.
no, he wasn't down on the cards.
no, the cards were not even close.
no, the cards did not inaccurately hide any close fights. they were pretty accurate.
no, the cards didn't even come into play because those guys got knocked out.
i'm not playing semantics. i'm saying you are a pioneer of bullshit.
did he struggle with stiverne? no.
he broke his hand on stiverne's face and most guys wouldn't be so active after
a broken hand. szpilka was almost decapitated, so the hand looks fine.
get serious. povetkin may have bitten off more than he can chew, here.
the amateurs talk at this point is just silliness.

[Tarkus]

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards.

he pretty much dominated those opponents. you are grasping at straws to
try to even make those fights out to be slightly competitive.
no, he wasn't down on the cards.
no, the cards were not even close.
no, the cards did not inaccurately hide any close fights. they were pretty accurate.
no, the cards didn't even come into play because those guys got knocked out.
i'm not playing semantics. i'm saying you are a pioneer of bullshit.
did he struggle with stiverne? no.
he broke his hand on stiverne's face and most guys wouldn't be so active after
a broken hand. szpilka was almost decapitated, so the hand looks fine.
get serious. povetkin may have bitten off more than he can chew, here.
the amateurs talk at this point is just silliness.

Are you saying Wilders last three wins are more impressive then Povetkins last three? Just answer that so that I know if it makes sense to continue arguing with you. That is the ONLY issue I have raised in this thread. I never mentioned Stiverne or anyone's amateur records.

[Tarkus]

Wilder landed more powerfull and clear punches. Szpilka did some action but Wilder blocked most of those punches if you could see. Soccer is also not about activity , it is about scoring goals.

On my scorecards It was about even. So was it on most peoples scorecards, across the board on this forum as well as on Twitter. Judges scorecards were too wide compared to those of most impartial observers.

[sucracristo]

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards.

he pretty much dominated those opponents. you are grasping at straws to
try to even make those fights out to be slightly competitive.
no, he wasn't down on the cards.
no, the cards were not even close.
no, the cards did not inaccurately hide any close fights. they were pretty accurate.
no, the cards didn't even come into play because those guys got knocked out.
i'm not playing semantics. i'm saying you are a pioneer of bullshit.
did he struggle with stiverne? no.
he broke his hand on stiverne's face and most guys wouldn't be so active after
a broken hand. szpilka was almost decapitated, so the hand looks fine.
get serious. povetkin may have bitten off more than he can chew, here.
the amateurs talk at this point is just silliness.

Are you saying Wilders last three wins are more impressive then Povetkins last three? Just answer that so that I know if it makes sense to continue arguing with you. That is the ONLY issue I have raised in this thread. I never mentioned Stiverne or anyone's amateur records.

you can continue or not. i don't care. i am not impressed by povetkin's win over wach at all.
by your same definition of the word "struggle" you use with wilder, povetkin struggled more with wach.
if wilder's last 3 are bums, then wach is only one of the more competitive bums in that group.
who is wach's best win? takam is no world beater, either. maybe slightly better resume than
wach but still barely a fringe contender, and by your definition of struggle povetkin struggled more.
these are NOT much more impressive wins compared to wilder's last three. both wilder and povetkin
are monumental steps up in talent for each other from the guys we are talking about.

[conty22]

Struggle doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind on the scorecards.

he pretty much dominated those opponents. you are grasping at straws to
try to even make those fights out to be slightly competitive.
no, he wasn't down on the cards.
no, the cards were not even close.
no, the cards did not inaccurately hide any close fights. they were pretty accurate.
no, the cards didn't even come into play because those guys got knocked out.
i'm not playing semantics. i'm saying you are a pioneer of bullshit.
did he struggle with stiverne? no.
he broke his hand on stiverne's face and most guys wouldn't be so active after
a broken hand. szpilka was almost decapitated, so the hand looks fine.
get serious. povetkin may have bitten off more than he can chew, here.
the amateurs talk at this point is just silliness.

Are you saying Wilders last three wins are more impressive then Povetkins last three? Just answer that so that I know if it makes sense to continue arguing with you. That is the ONLY issue I have raised in this thread. I never mentioned Stiverne or anyone's amateur records.

Povetkin had only one good win against Perez.

He strugled against Takam , Takam was leading on points in early rounds and in late rounds it was even. Takam simply gassed out and got catched.

Fight against Wach was less impressive. Wach did not even fight. All he did was trhowing 7 jabs per round . Wach is simply a punching bag for anyone from top 30.

His ko ratio is a joke against d level opposition.
He has only chin but for what? He is a terrible and slow boxer with no movement at all

[Tarkus]

I dont care whether you care or not. I care not to waste my time on nonsense. The fact that you so masterfully avoided answering my simple question suggest that you agree with me. I mean you must be nuts not to. You cant bring yourself to say it because trash talking is whats in your nature, thats the reason why you project it on me.

[conty22]

Povetkin could get exposed the same way as Klitschko did. He never faced any average tall opponent with long reach.

They both faced only Wach who i consider as a slow giant punching bag for anyone from top 30.

All Wach has is only his chin , just look at his resume and ko ratio. He is not even average sadly.

People know him only because he was a punching bag for Klitschko.

You can't knock opponents with your chin.

Wlad got exposed pretty badly by Fury

[Cap]

Wilder was lucky that Stiverne underestimated him, expecting he'd kayo the Yank early. He was not in the best condition for the same reason, and when Wilder was still there after 4 or 5 rounds, the big Haitian was out of petrol. Wilder boxed Stiverne because he was afraid of Stiverne's power. If he fought him again he'd probably go at him early and knock him out.

Povetkin has fought the best in a very poor division made up of old guys on steroids and giants with two left feet. He battled Wach and Takem but put them away. I would argue that Mike Perez, Takam, Wach, Charr and even Andrzej Wawrzyk are better opponents than the guys Wilder is still learning against. The combined records of Povetkin's 5 victims since 2013 were 135 wins 4 losses and 2 draws. Wilder's last 5 were 124 wins 22 losses and 5 draws. His best win aside from Stiverne was probably over Malik Scott (the guy who got stopped in 6 by Chisora). Povetkin has the better record, but that doesn't always tell the whole story.

The big question is whether or not Wilder is improving with each fight. He's still relatively young and Povetkin is older and could get real old overnight. So, I'd give the edge to Povetkin based on what we've seen lately, but the odds are narrowing as time passes.

[Oiky]

Szpilka was all wrong for Wilder. He was a southpaw with a decent head movement.

Even Wladimir Klitschko strugled against Jennings and Fury and ask yourself why ?

Because Jennings and Fury did not go forward to his shots unlike Pulev or Povetkin.

Povetkin seems to be most overrated guy on boxingforum24.

He has no jab , no defence at all and he is coming forward shots like a robot.

Wladimir knocked him with a jab

He fought only small guys with a similiar boxing style.

Wach is a slow robotic punching bag who trhew 8 jabs per round lmao.

So do not complain about that Povetkin won against Wach.

Wilder will probably start whooping Povetkin after 3rd round.

I see Wilder winning wide UD or even late tko.

I think that Wilder is much better in late rounds.


Why there is so much hype about Povetkin?

Guys like Haye , Ortiz are much worse matchups for Wilder.

Lmao even Peter Fury does not understand about this hype about this small guy.

Peter Fury even does not rate Povetkin as a top 5 hw.

I think that Fury knows much more about boxing that those wannabie boxing experts from boxing24.

It is all conjecture unless they actually tangle.

i agree with this statement. but i thinkwilder is just terrible imo, off balance most of the time, can't fight off the backfoot, has terrible ring generalship. he is just a KO waiting to happen and the OP confidence in wilder is astounding seeming as wilder even knows hes own self he is going to get sparked, throwing them shots at awkward angles with bad timing and being off balance AND leaving yourself open is recipe for a nightmare

[Exoddus]

Wilder would need to grow a pair of balls before this fight could happen.

[Lancenix]

I dont care whether you care or not. I care not to waste my time on nonsense. The fact that you so masterfully avoided answering my simple question suggest that you agree with me. I mean you must be nuts not to. You cant bring yourself to say it because trash talking is whats in your nature, thats the reason why you project it on me.

Wilder is the best America has and that is all you base your opinion on but let me tell you he ain't much at all. I actually think he does not even beat Jennings. Wilder is just the bum of the month club type fighter that Mike Tyson liked to fight late in his career.