BHop as a sacrificial lamb

[ikorolev]

I think the history repeats itself. First, Hopkins was sacrificed to Kovalev to kill Duva's law suite against GB. Now the older, rustier version of Bernard may be sacrificed to Golovkin to save Canelo from taking the beating:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/4119 ... t-thickens

[Undefeated49-0]

I think the history repeats itself. First, Hopkins was sacrificed to Kovalev to kill Duva's law suite against GB. Now the older, rustier version of Bernard may be sacrificed to Golovkin to save Canelo from taking the beating:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/4119 ... t-thickens

LOL to your word "sacrifice", it would be the ultimate backfire that Hopkins toys with GGG and makes him look like an amateur. I wonder how badly you'd feel if Golovkin actually got clowned and lost easily.

[gilgamesh]

I respect the hell out of Hopkins, and if he takes on Kovalev and Golovkin back to back as a man nearing 50 he will put almost all active boxers to shame by showing more balls in back to back fights than most of them do in years even in their primes these days.

If the fight takes place though. Hopkins has no chance. He can still compete definitely, but he's not gonna be able to outbox Golovkin at this stage in his career. I don't know if Golovkin stops the old man, but it doesn't matter. He'll win every round like Kovalev did.

[Undefeated49-0]

I respect the hell out of Hopkins, and if he takes on Kovalev and Golovkin back to back as a man nearing 50 he will put almost all active boxers to shame by showing more balls in back to back fights than most of them do in years even in their primes these days.

If the fight takes place though. Hopkins has no chance. He can still compete definitely, but he's not gonna be able to outbox Golovkin at this stage in his career. I don't know if Golovkin stops the old man, but it doesn't matter. He'll win every round like Kovalev did.

I swear when i read posts like these y'all make it sound as though Hopkins just lost all his boxing skills, as I recall he lasted until the very end with the Great Kovalev (who is far bigger and a better puncher than GGG) so i see that he won't be getting pushed around the ring or running like a feather-fisted Willie Monroe.

Hopkins was still knocking down solid 175lbers (some weighed even more on fight night), triple G won't be nearly as big in height or weight as guys like Murat or Shumenov (who is obviously bigger and stronger than GGG) and Hopkins took everything each of them had even scoring a KD on Shumenov.

I'm pulling for the old man though I know most won't be, I really hope he makes GGG look like an amateur. GGG will have to win on workrate because he isn't KO'ing a wily old fox like Hopkins.

[Tanzio]

Fighting BHop is a no win situation for 3G, especially with his haterbase.

[gilgamesh]

I respect the hell out of Hopkins, and if he takes on Kovalev and Golovkin back to back as a man nearing 50 he will put almost all active boxers to shame by showing more balls in back to back fights than most of them do in years even in their primes these days.

If the fight takes place though. Hopkins has no chance. He can still compete definitely, but he's not gonna be able to outbox Golovkin at this stage in his career. I don't know if Golovkin stops the old man, but it doesn't matter. He'll win every round like Kovalev did.

I swear when i read posts like these y'all make it sound as though Hopkins just lost all his boxing skills, as I recall he lasted until the very end with the Great Kovalev (who is far bigger and a better puncher than GGG) so i see that he won't be getting pushed around the ring or running like a feather-fisted Willie Monroe.

Hopkins was still knocking down solid 175lbers (some weighed even more on fight night), triple G won't be nearly as big in height or weight as guys like Murat or Shumenov (who is obviously bigger and stronger than GGG) and Hopkins took everything each of them had even scoring a KD on Shumenov.

I'm pulling for the old man though I know most won't be, I really hope he makes GGG look like an amateur. GGG will have to win on workrate because he isn't KO'ing a wily old fox like Hopkins.

Oh Hopkins definitely didn't lose all his Boxing skills. He wouldn't have lasted the distance with Kovalev if that had been the case, but if he's gonna fight Golovkin. I assume it's gonna be at 168 or lower which would mean that on top of being 50 years old. Which is enough of a disadvantage in and of itself, he'll be a little on the weight drained side.

It's more a case of I think Golovkin is a skilled enough boxer that he would've been a handful for Hopkins at any stage of his career. For a 50 year old Hopkins. He's gonna be way too much. I'd honestly be surprised if Hopkins won a single round in the fight, Golovkin can box every bit as good as Kovalev can.

[crusader]

Fighting BHop is a no win situation for 3G, especially with his haterbase.

I agree.

Bring on Canelo, not Hopkins.

[reggaereggae]

This is going to sound very dark.... But Hopkins, though his achievements are impressive, is one of the most boring and negative fighters ever. I really hope he gets badly hurt and shuts his mouth

[gilgamesh]

Fighting BHop is a no win situation for 3G, especially with his haterbase.

I agree.

Bring on Canelo, not Hopkins.

I'd most definitely rather see him fight Canelo yes. I don't even really want to see Hopkins vs GGG because there's just no point in it. If Hopkins hadn't been shut out by Kovalev then maybe there'd still be some validity in that fight, but now there's really not.

[Undefeated49-0]

Oh Hopkins definitely didn't lose all his Boxing skills. He wouldn't have lasted the distance with Kovalev if that had been the case, but if he's gonna fight Golovkin. I assume it's gonna be at 168 or lower which would mean that on top of being 50 years old. Which is enough of a disadvantage in and of itself, he'll be a little on the weight drained side.

It's more a case of I think Golovkin is a skilled enough boxer that he would've been a handful for Hopkins at any stage of his career. For a 50 year old Hopkins. He's gonna be way too much. I'd honestly be surprised if Hopkins won a single round in the fight, Golovkin can box every bit as good as Kovalev can.

As for Hopkins. Even the Alien can't beat Father Time forever.

Well I have to agree if it's at 168, any CW lower than the 175lb limit. If GGG takes it at the full LHW limit then I think he should just stay there, especially if he wins it; he should look for BB and then Kova after (ASSuming he wins).

[keithmoonhangover]

I think the history repeats itself. First, Hopkins was sacrificed to Kovalev to kill Duva's law suite against GB. Now the older, rustier version of Bernard may be sacrificed to Golovkin to save Canelo from taking the beating:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/4119 ... t-thickens

Sacrifce? Don't talk rubbish. Hopkins signs the contract for a fight for one reason only........ He wants the fight.

[gilgamesh]

Oh Hopkins definitely didn't lose all his Boxing skills. He wouldn't have lasted the distance with Kovalev if that had been the case, but if he's gonna fight Golovkin. I assume it's gonna be at 168 or lower which would mean that on top of being 50 years old. Which is enough of a disadvantage in and of itself, he'll be a little on the weight drained side.

It's more a case of I think Golovkin is a skilled enough boxer that he would've been a handful for Hopkins at any stage of his career. For a 50 year old Hopkins. He's gonna be way too much. I'd honestly be surprised if Hopkins won a single round in the fight, Golovkin can box every bit as good as Kovalev can.

As for Hopkins. Even the Alien can't beat Father Time forever.

Well I have to agree if it's at 168, any CW lower than the 175lb limit. If GGG takes it at the full LHW limit then I think he should just stay there, especially if he wins it; he should look for BB and then Kova after (ASSuming he wins).

GGG won't go above 168 for Hopkins I'm sure.

[Undefeated49-0]

This is going to sound very dark.... But Hopkins, though his achievements are impressive, is one of the most boring and negative fighters ever. I really hope he gets badly hurt and shuts his mouth

Really go watch the fight with Kovalev and tell me how boring that is, or how about Murat, Trinidad, Joppy, Pavlik. I mean, I could go on and on all the way back to when he was a young MW beating up a prime Glenn Johnson and stopping him on the feet with blazing combos.

Apparently you must have watched only a few Hopkins fights, YT is a good place for you to watch those bouts and see how "boring" they are.

[squiggy]

Even as an atheist I say God bless Hopkins. If he does this I'd wager that he'd forever remain the only person to fight both Kovalev and Golovkin.
But although I'm sure he's game (i.e. no one is coercing him to keep taking fights like this), I don't think "sacrificial lamb" is that far off; if this fight happens, it's not irrational at all to say that it reflects badly on Canelo's people.
And, stoppage or no, you can write in stone that B Hop would take a beating. Going down in weight can't help the old guy, and frankly, I've always thought that Kovalev would've stopped him if he'd gone all out rather than fighting him smartly in order to not possibly get upended. At this point there's no way he's schooling GGG or anyone else that matters. Someone under 50 needs to step up and fight these guys...

[koolkc107]

Call me crazy....

But even now, even at 50+, I take a 168 lb Bhop over a 168 lb lil g.

Yeah, if Loeffler forces him to drain under 168, I can see Gennady taking advantage.

But, if Bernard is given 4 months to train and 168 to come in at?

It is BHop vs Pavlik all over again.

Gennady doesn't hit hard enough to make BHop run the way Kovalev did.

Plain and simple.

[MachoTime]

Living in the past much. Hopkins would get beat easily by GGG.

[koolkc107]

Living in the past much. Hopkins would get beat easily by GGG.

Like I said, it depends on how much they drain BHop.

He comes in strong, he boatraces lil g, who would never figure him out.

[coneye]

But the fact an aging Hopkins , could , would , fight GGG and probably give him a decent go ,, just shows what a pissweak handpicking pussy Canelo really is ,, he gets away with it only because he has massive support from the mexican fans who will shell out there hard earned to see him ,, this is'nt a suppoert for a great boxer ala Chavez snr , Its just support for a fellow country man regardles of who he fights ala , Hatton . Lets have it right , when Canelo met the best in his prime , (Mayweather ) he got made to look stupid , flat footed and amertueish ,

He claimed he was weight drained , now he has the chance to prove it , and fight the best out there in his weight , and we all know what he's doing there pussying out .. Personaly i won't even watch him , never mind pay for it .

[MachoTime]

Living in the past much. Hopkins would get beat easily by GGG.

Like I said, it depends on how much they drain BHop.

He comes in strong, he boatraces lil g, who would never figure him out.

If it makes you feel better start a thread on 160 pound GGG vs. The Hopkins who beat Trinidad.

Im sure Hopkins would be the big favorite.

[koolkc107]

Living in the past much. Hopkins would get beat easily by GGG.

Like I said, it depends on how much they drain BHop.

He comes in strong, he boatraces lil g, who would never figure him out.

If it makes you feel better start a thread on 160 pound GGG vs. The Hopkins who beat Trinidad.

Im sure Hopkins would be the big favorite.

I called that fight correctly, actually.

Everyone thought Trinidad would win, but I knew BHop was too strong for Tito.

And a 168 lb BHop, even at 50 is too much for a guy that says he can make 154...

[gilgamesh]

Like I said, it depends on how much they drain BHop.

He comes in strong, he boatraces lil g, who would never figure him out.

If it makes you feel better start a thread on 160 pound GGG vs. The Hopkins who beat Trinidad.

Im sure Hopkins would be the big favorite.

I called that fight correctly, actually.

Everyone thought Trinidad would win, but I knew BHop was too strong for Tito.

And a 168 lb BHop, even at 50 is too much for a guy that says he can make 154...

You're kidding yourself if you think B-Hop beats Golovkin at 50 years old. GGG could weigh 160 and Hopkins could weigh 180 and it'd make not one damn bit of difference as to the outcome of the fight. Hops is too old to be beating these guys. I respect the hell out of him for having the balls to try and take on these killers, but he can't beat them anymore.

[jockpunk]

Why would GGG agree to this? Canelo has to fight him or lose his belt. Why would ggg give up that position for a fight that will pay decent but not great against bhop?

[gilgamesh]

Why would GGG agree to this? Canelo has to fight him or lose his belt. Why would ggg give up that position for a fight that will pay decent but not great against bhop?

He won't agree to it I don't figure, even if he did though. I assume it would be a one off fight, and he'd immediately go right back down to Middleweight after beating Hopkins.

[koolkc107]

If it makes you feel better start a thread on 160 pound GGG vs. The Hopkins who beat Trinidad.

Im sure Hopkins would be the big favorite.

I called that fight correctly, actually.

Everyone thought Trinidad would win, but I knew BHop was too strong for Tito.

And a 168 lb BHop, even at 50 is too much for a guy that says he can make 154...

You're kidding yourself if you think B-Hop beats Golovkin at 50 years old. GGG could weigh 160 and Hopkins could weigh 180 and it'd make not one damn bit of difference as to the outcome of the fight. Hops is too old to be beating these guys. I respect the hell out of him for having the balls to try and take on these killers, but he can't beat them anymore.

You might be right about the age.

But, it was less than a year ago that lil g needed 11 to stop Murray.

I am guessing (and I admit it is a guess) that a strong 168 lb BHop (even at 50)
is a whole different ballgame, one Gennady has never played.

But, it's moot.

Loeffler will never risk not getting the big cash-out with Canelo.

[gilgamesh]

What's it matter that it took him 11 rounds to stop Murray when he won every round and dropped the guy repeatedly? Murray has very solid defensive skills. Most fighters wouldn't be able to stop Murray at all.

At 168 Martin Murray would beat Bernard Hopkins today too.