Rocky Marciano----So overated

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i dont rate marciano over holmes. however i do rate marciano over jeffries, frazier, foreman, liston. If u think u can make a debate why those guys should be rated over marciano, then go for it. however, i have read ur posts and u seem very bias against marciano and it seems hard to debate u on the subject of marciano. u totally write off some of the top contenders marciano beat.


I NEVER SAID foster beat a wahsed up tiger.


In all honesty I cannot see how someone with good boxing knowledge who is unbiased, would rate Marciano over the likes of Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes

how could u say that? ur basically saying if people dont agree with u, they dont know anything about boxing.


the IBRO rated marciano 5th greatest heavyweight of all time, over all of those guys. are u saying those guys dont have good boxing knowledge?



I think u defintley underate marciano compared to some other people. i hardly ever see u pick marciano in a fantasy matchup. u even thought theres a godo chance gerrie coetzee could beat marciano.


- i sometimes wonder why u even rate marciano 10th as the way u bash him so much and underate him, i would think he wouldnt even be in ur top 15.


it seems u dont like marcianos style. u dont think hes at all skilled. well like doubleM says, he has a unique style. kind of like carlos monzon. carlos monzon doesnt look the best on film when u firsty see him, but if u study him closesly u see certain things, u see how effective his style really is. marcianos a lot like that.
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In all honesty I cannot see how someone with good boxing knowledge who is unbiased, would rate Marciano over the likes of Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes and I'd put Jeffries there too
i want anyone on the forum who rates marciano over one of these guys to respond to this post.
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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
In all honesty I cannot see how someone with good boxing knowledge who is unbiased, would rate Marciano over the likes of Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes and I'd put Jeffries there too
i want anyone on the forum who rates marciano over one of these guys to respond to this post.
If he wants to argue it, I'll take him on. I could give many reasons why Marciano should be rated above all of those guys.
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DoubleM wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
In all honesty I cannot see how someone with good boxing knowledge who is unbiased, would rate Marciano over the likes of Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes and I'd put Jeffries there too
i want anyone on the forum who rates marciano over one of these guys to respond to this post.
If he wants to argue it, I'll take him on. I could give many reasons why Marciano should be rated above all of those guys.
Go on then. Though a debate with pro Marciano fans tends to be like banging you head against a brick wall, as you fail to see anyone ones point of view except your own...
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silkov wrote:
DoubleM wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: i want anyone on the forum who rates marciano over one of these guys to respond to this post.
If he wants to argue it, I'll take him on. I could give many reasons why Marciano should be rated above all of those guys.
Go on then. Though a debate with pro Marciano fans tends to be like banging you head against a brick wall, as you fail to see anyone ones point of view except your own...


i could say the same about a marciano hater like you. and dont lie, u do not like marciano. because if u did, u wouldnt bash him as much as u do. u just are not a fan of the guy. u are very bias even though u will deny this. u think anyone who doesnt rate holmes in the top 5 heavyweights does not know much about boxing. ur very ignorant and have an extremely rude tone!
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silkov wrote:
DoubleM wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: i want anyone on the forum who rates marciano over one of these guys to respond to this post.
If he wants to argue it, I'll take him on. I could give many reasons why Marciano should be rated above all of those guys.
Go on then. Though a debate with pro Marciano fans tends to be like banging you head against a brick wall, as you fail to see anyone ones point of view except your own...
Listen. I ain't gonna argue like a Marciano 'nuthugger', but I'll present you with some facts.

Rocky Marciano had a very short amateur career. Sixteen fights, that's all. When you don't have much training either, you won't learn much from those sixteen fights. Even in the early days of his professional career, Rocky was just getting by with his own training, and his big right hand.

After a while knocking out nobodies, he found better management. With this management, he was guided to the top of his game. By no means was he protected though... He faced hard hitting prospect Carmine Vingo, cute undefeated stylist Roland LaStarza, top contenders Rex Layne and Harry Matthews, and an old but still dangerous, top three world ranked Joe Louis. George Foreman, Carlos Monzon, Roberto Duran and Muhammad Ali are among the many fighters who didn't face as tough opposition as Marciano before winning the title.

When Rocky did win it, he defended that title six times against five opponents, all of whom were the number one contender, except one, Don Cockell - the number one contender for this year was Archie Moore, who Marciano knocked out in his next fight. Who can say they have defended their title like this? Not many.

Of course, Rocky was undefeated too. He could say with pride that he beat every man he ever faced in the professional ring. Some can say the same... Lennox Lewis, for instance. But even he lost. Marciano's record was perfect, and against good competition too. He almost never had the physical advantage in his fights, and he also very rarely had the skills advantage either. Yet he was undefeated?

Good-natured Rocky Marciano, with his all-action style, who packed the venues, who never turned down an autograph, who was a hero for so many Italians and Americans alike, who was loyal and loving to his family, who is still talked about today, was definitely not overrated.
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first let me start off by asking, silkov is ur list based on head to head? because if it is, i have no objections. head to head, arguements can be made for anyone to rate in any order and i have no problem where u rank marciano. but if ur argueing accomplishments, then i do think marciano rates highly.
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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:first let me start off by asking, silkov is ur list based on head to head? because if it is, i have no objections. head to head, arguements can be made for anyone to rate in any order and i have no problem where u rank marciano. but if ur argueing accomplishments, then i do think marciano rates highly.
See there you go again Brock! calling me a Marciano hater just because I say that I rate these other fighters above him and also think that he is overrated while they are underrated. When have I said that I hate Marciano or when have I said that he couldn't fight?... I've never said that at all. I'm not a hater, and in fact like Marciano a lot, I've read about him, I have his fights, I've got nothing against the guy who was probably one of the nicest guys to wear the title (outside the ring) but I'm objective about him and your blind fellowship of the Rock forces me to continually talk about his weaknesses.
Why can't you just admit that the likes of Jeffries, Liston and Frazier are underrated?..... why is that so hard???...... can you honestly say that Frazier or Holmes get the credit for being the great fighters that they were?...... they do not!. What did Marcinao accomplish that puts him above Frazier, Foreman or Holmes?..... and don't tell me Holmes only fought cissies cause it aint true!...
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Post by BrocktonBlockbuster49 »

i rate holmes over marciano so i do think holmes is underated. frazier gets underated when hes not put in the top 10, i defintley think hes top 10 and then i dont care where anyone puts him but hes defintley top 10. i dont think jeffries is underated. i dont think hes a top 10 heavyweight, but thats just my opinion. liston is underated in some aspects and overated in others.
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Post by silkov »

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i rate holmes over marciano so i do think holmes is underated. frazier gets underated when hes not put in the top 10, i defintley think hes top 10 and then i dont care where anyone puts him but hes defintley top 10. i dont think jeffries is underated. i dont think hes a top 10 heavyweight, but thats just my opinion. liston is underated in some aspects and overated in others.
Why do you think Jeffries isn't top ten?... he was one of the strongest and most durable champions ever...
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MARCIANO OVERATED, NOT REEALLY!

By reight, Marciano should've never been world champion when you look at his frame. He was small, rigid and oftentimes clumsy.

BUT

THis man went through a decade of boxing fighting 4 dozen fights, winning the world championship (on the way up KOing a certain Mr. Brown Bomber).

AND

To this second remains the only unbeaten Heavyweight Champion in history.

So overrated, I DON'T THINK SO!
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Post by evndrbsn »

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
silkov wrote:Hate to agree with something that you powder you bottom with but I agree that Marciano is overrated generally. People are always calling him 'one of the greats' yet I'd rate him below the likes of Foreman, Liston, Frazier, Jeffries... to name just a few who do not get the appreciation that they deserve. It annoys me the way you are not allowed to criticise Marciano, even objectively, ....yet it seems you can say anything about Liston, Frazier, Holmes etc.... :box: 8) :roll:

not the way he talks about marciano. he clearly attacks him unfairly and doesnt back up any of his comments with facts. its clear he is out to cruelly attack marciano and not question the flaws of his career with objective anaylsis.

o and I disagree with u, i rate marciano over liston, foreman, jeffries and frazier.
In a head to head match up, Marciano loses to all of them except maybe Jeffries. There isn't enough film for me to judge that on.
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I don't know if Rocky could have beaten the guys Block mentions.
Never write him off though. Rocky would put any man to the ultimate
test. Bigger, stronger, tougher, younger, faster... don't matter...you had to get in their with him. What are you prepared to do ? What are you prepared to do?
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