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zojo, wrote:
Truthseeker wrote:
I think Nate is going to win this fight by submission
What have you been smoking? I want some.
Short notice fight. Will Diaz get nicked for smoking pot?

Fight is in two weeks. It takes four weeks for it to get out of your system.

Seems like a great way to protect Conor's record.

Diaz wins via sub, but fails a drug test. Thus, the fight becomes an no contest.

Everyone gets paid and Conor's record in the UFC is still undefeated.
Would not be shocked by all that at all. Not one bit.
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Lancenix wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
p4p1 wrote:Dana White is also a effing pudendum, throwing Edgar/Aldo whoever else under the bus saying they didn't want to fight McGregor well no poo it's 2 weeks notice one guy is injured the other guy is out of shape and its a 5 round fight. I believe in a rematch Aldo could beat McGregor but not while he is unfit. McGregor has that kind of power that once you're tired it doesn't matter how badly you're beating him he is going to put you to sleep.

I can see a fighter beating the crap out of that blowhard Dana White one day. How he's treated Frankie Edgar is disgusting. I love the UFC because the fights you wan to see happen regular but Dana White is a complete piece of crap.
Dana should have explained why each guy could or would not take the fight I agree. Aldo talked a lot of crap and wanted a rematch badly and he is not in shape to even take a fight at 155? He should be in shape or be able to take the fight IMO. That is his profession. It is all he does.
He's definitely fitter than the average person but you don't push yourself hard non stop all year round to keep it in fight shape your body needs a break. The fact you don't know that makes your opinion irrelevant.
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People love a conspiracy don't they! This fight was picked because it does the best numbers on late notice. Nothing to do with potential failing of drug tests to protect records. :doh:

Conor getting subbed isn't out of the question but I do think it's unlikely. Nate's far more dangerous of his back than he is on top and can you really see Conor trying to take him down? Nate could pull guard but that doesn't seem like a Diaz thing to do because unless you're slick at flying subs, it often points to desperation.
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zojo, wrote:
Tomasino wrote:
p4p1 wrote:Dana White is also a effing pudendum, throwing Edgar/Aldo whoever else under the bus saying they didn't want to fight McGregor well no poo it's 2 weeks notice one guy is injured the other guy is out of shape and its a 5 round fight. I believe in a rematch Aldo could beat McGregor but not while he is unfit. McGregor has that kind of power that once you're tired it doesn't matter how badly you're beating him he is going to put you to sleep.

I can see a fighter beating the crap out of that blowhard Dana White one day. How he's treated Frankie Edgar is disgusting. I love the UFC because the fights you wan to see happen regular but Dana White is a complete piece of crap.
I don't see a fighter striking White, but I would not doubt he gets sued for libel in the future.

The comments he makes about fighters while throwing them under the bus can indeed impact their potential earning power when they test the free agency market.
Dana is shooting himself in the foot. I can see guys like Aldo and Edgar moving to Bellator once their contractual obligations are up. Especially Edgar.
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p4p1 wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
Tomasino wrote:

I can see a fighter beating the crap out of that blowhard Dana White one day. How he's treated Frankie Edgar is disgusting. I love the UFC because the fights you wan to see happen regular but Dana White is a complete piece of crap.
Dana should have explained why each guy could or would not take the fight I agree. Aldo talked a lot of crap and wanted a rematch badly and he is not in shape to even take a fight at 155? He should be in shape or be able to take the fight IMO. That is his profession. It is all he does.
He's definitely fitter than the average person but you don't push yourself hard non stop all year round to keep it in fight shape your body needs a break. The fact you don't know that makes your opinion irrelevant.
Plenty of other guys were ready. Cerrone just fought and he was ready again. Jon Jones took his title shot on short notice. Nate Diaz took the shot here on short notice. Maybe you are the dumbass. And PLENTY of other guys were ready. Aldo did not want the shot he was scared and a coward. Much like yourself.
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Impractical Poster wrote:
zojo, wrote:
Tomasino wrote:

I can see a fighter beating the crap out of that blowhard Dana White one day. How he's treated Frankie Edgar is disgusting. I love the UFC because the fights you wan to see happen regular but Dana White is a complete piece of crap.
I don't see a fighter striking White, but I would not doubt he gets sued for libel in the future.

The comments he makes about fighters while throwing them under the bus can indeed impact their potential earning power when they test the free agency market.
Dana is shooting himself in the foot. I can see guys like Aldo and Edgar moving to Bellator once their contractual obligations are up. Especially Edgar.
It all depends what they pay. They are not going to Bellator if it costs them a bunch of dough.
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Lancenix wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: Dana is shooting himself in the foot. I can see guys like Aldo and Edgar moving to Bellator once their contractual obligations are up. Especially Edgar.
It all depends what they pay. They are not going to Bellator if it costs them a bunch of dough.
If Bendo is indication of what the top fighters will make crossing over to Viacom backed Bellator, guys like Aldo and Edgar would not only make more in the move, but would be able to wear their sponsors inside the cage, which amounts to more of a monetary boost.
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Impractical Poster wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote: Dana is shooting himself in the foot. I can see guys like Aldo and Edgar moving to Bellator once their contractual obligations are up. Especially Edgar.
It all depends what they pay. They are not going to Bellator if it costs them a bunch of dough.
If Bendo is indication of what the top fighters will make crossing over to Viacom backed Bellator, guys like Aldo and Edgar would not only make more in the move, but would be able to wear their sponsors inside the cage, which amounts to more of a monetary boost.
I was thinking about the sponsorship as well. Hey I would love to see the UFC get smacked in the face with a dose of reality. They have been ripping off their fighters for many years. A lawsuit will come one day. I do not know if anything will come of it though.
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Lancenix wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
Dana should have explained why each guy could or would not take the fight I agree. Aldo talked a lot of crap and wanted a rematch badly and he is not in shape to even take a fight at 155? He should be in shape or be able to take the fight IMO. That is his profession. It is all he does.
He's definitely fitter than the average person but you don't push yourself hard non stop all year round to keep it in fight shape your body needs a break. The fact you don't know that makes your opinion irrelevant.
Plenty of other guys were ready. Cerrone just fought and he was ready again. Jon Jones took his title shot on short notice. Nate Diaz took the shot here on short notice. Maybe you are the dumbass. And PLENTY of other guys were ready. Aldo did not want the shot he was scared and a coward. Much like yourself.
why would Aldo take the fight on short notice? He has one more shot at McGregor he won't get a third unless he wins so why would he risk it to pull the UFC out of the shit when they so love to throw him under the bus. Diaz is a fitness freak and enjoys doing triathlons etc so is always in decent shape, Jones had literally just fought and was given like 6 weeks notice so never stopped camp. Cerrone fought like the week before so again was barely out of camp. Aldo fought a few months ago has no fight lined up so why exactly would he be fit? Mendes took the fight on short notice ran out of gas then lost fighting is littered with guys that who have done just that. Taking fights on short notice doesn't make sense when you're Jose Aldo. I'm definitely not a coward, I've taken fights on short notice once on two weeks notice and once on the day of the fight. Won both times but was also exhausted by the end. I was lucky that I was much better that the guys I fought otherwise there's no way I would've gotten away with being unfit. Aldo doesn't have that when fighting McGregor he would be confident in beating him in a rematch but he has also seen what happens when you gas out against McGregor.
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p4p1 wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
p4p1 wrote: He's definitely fitter than the average person but you don't push yourself hard non stop all year round to keep it in fight shape your body needs a break. The fact you don't know that makes your opinion irrelevant.
Plenty of other guys were ready. Cerrone just fought and he was ready again. Jon Jones took his title shot on short notice. Nate Diaz took the shot here on short notice. Maybe you are the dumbass. And PLENTY of other guys were ready. Aldo did not want the shot he was scared and a coward. Much like yourself.
why would Aldo take the fight on short notice? He has one more shot at McGregor he won't get a third unless he wins so why would he risk it to pull the UFC out of the poo when they so love to throw him under the bus. Diaz is a fitness freak and enjoys doing triathlons etc so is always in decent shape, Jones had literally just fought and was given like 6 weeks notice so never stopped camp. Cerrone fought like the week before so again was barely out of camp. Aldo fought a few months ago has no fight lined up so why exactly would he be fit? Mendes took the fight on short notice ran out of gas then lost fighting is littered with guys that who have done just that. Taking fights on short notice doesn't make sense when you're Jose Aldo. I'm definitely not a coward, I've taken fights on short notice once on two weeks notice and once on the day of the fight. Won both times but was also exhausted by the end. I was lucky that I was much better that the guys I fought otherwise there's no way I would've gotten away with being unfit. Aldo doesn't have that when fighting McGregor he would be confident in beating him in a rematch but he has also seen what happens when you gas out against McGregor.
Aldo is clearly a broken man. He never wanted to fight McGregor in the first place. The first time he dropped out with a fake injury and then he came back and was scared shitless to even fight McGregor. Everything McGregor said he was exactly right about and he beat him in all of 13 seconds. Aldo is broken the same way Rousey is broken. Also, the UFC started more stringent drug testing and Aldo is right in on that Brazilian contingent that has been cheating for many years. McGregor and others said he would not be the same guy and he wasn't. Even Joe Rogan said Aldo physically looked 'deflated' others said the same thing. Rogan retracted the comment after Dana yelled at him about it. But he was right. If Aldo wanted it he could have been ready but his brain is broken. I doubt he ever gets to fight McGregor again because Conor will not be at 145 for long. Aldo's legacy is damaged badly by that loss.
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Bisbing-Silva fight was crazy in so many ways. The 3rd round is one of the most memorable in the history of the UFC. Michael Bisbing should just fight the fight and stop trying to ref the fight and fight the fight at the same time. He kept trying to stop the fight in the 3rd because his mouthpiece was out but that is not his job. There was no lull in the action and Anderson took advantage. Where was the clock at the end of the 3rd?? Was the round over? The fight could have been scored either way but Bisbing got the nod. Anderson Silva fought well at times and at other times fought like a bi polar weirdo with his back up against the cage for 3 minutes at a time. I still do not know where the clock was at the end of the 3rd. round.

I scored the fight a draw.

Round 1- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 2- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 3- Silva 10-8
Round 4- Bisbing 10-9
Round 5- Silva 10-9

47-47 DRAW
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I didn't score the fight. Under the old Pride scoring Silva won. Under 10 point must system I don't know. It was a great fight though.

UFC London was a bad card that was redeemed by a wonderful main event.

Much like Fedor at the end, Silva hasn't fallen off a cliff but he has lost a step and it was that extra step that let him be Anderson Silva.
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nfc90210 wrote:I didn't score the fight. Under the old Pride scoring Silva won. Under 10 point must system I don't know. It was a great fight though.

UFC London was a bad card that was redeemed by a wonderful main event.

Much like Fedor at the end, Silva hasn't fallen off a cliff but he has lost a step and it was that extra step that let him be Anderson Silva.
I agree with all you just said there and he took a lot of time off during rounds and he lost that gear of just putting a sustained attack on you. Father time is undefeated we all know that catching up with Silva.
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Lancenix wrote:Bisbing-Silva fight was crazy in so many ways. The 3rd round is one of the most memorable in the history of the UFC. Michael Bisbing should just fight the fight and stop trying to ref the fight and fight the fight at the same time. He kept trying to stop the fight in the 3rd because his mouthpiece was out but that is not his job. There was no lull in the action and Anderson took advantage. Where was the clock at the end of the 3rd?? Was the round over? The fight could have been scored either way but Bisbing got the nod. Anderson Silva fought well at times and at other times fought like a bi polar weirdo with his back up against the cage for 3 minutes at a time. I still do not know where the clock was at the end of the 3rd. round.

I scored the fight a draw.

Round 1- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 2- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 3- Silva 10-8
Round 4- Bisbing 10-9
Round 5- Silva 10-9

47-47 DRAW
Anderson's problem is he is getting old, a few years ago fighting like that he still would've finished Bisbing. I scored it like you, to not score round 3 10-8 is robbery Bisbing was finished he was literally saved by the bell, he needed to be helped to his feet. Anderson of course fucked up by not following him to the ground after the knee as Herb Dean likely would've jumped in and finished the fight as the bell rung, but hindsight etc.

As for Aldo faking an injury again this comes from White throwing Aldo under the bus and saying Aldo only had bruised ribs after that Aldo posted photos of his x-Ray which clearly say the date and name and there was a very clear break. Aldo most likely moves up to 155 in an effort to fight McGregor he has cleaned out 45 anyway.
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p4p1 wrote:
Lancenix wrote:Bisbing-Silva fight was crazy in so many ways. The 3rd round is one of the most memorable in the history of the UFC. Michael Bisbing should just fight the fight and stop trying to ref the fight and fight the fight at the same time. He kept trying to stop the fight in the 3rd because his mouthpiece was out but that is not his job. There was no lull in the action and Anderson took advantage. Where was the clock at the end of the 3rd?? Was the round over? The fight could have been scored either way but Bisbing got the nod. Anderson Silva fought well at times and at other times fought like a bi polar weirdo with his back up against the cage for 3 minutes at a time. I still do not know where the clock was at the end of the 3rd. round.

I scored the fight a draw.

Round 1- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 2- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 3- Silva 10-8
Round 4- Bisbing 10-9
Round 5- Silva 10-9

47-47 DRAW
Anderson's problem is he is getting old, a few years ago fighting like that he still would've finished Bisbing. I scored it like you, to not score round 3 10-8 is robbery Bisbing was finished he was literally saved by the bell, he needed to be helped to his feet. Anderson of course fucked up by not following him to the ground after the knee as Herb Dean likely would've jumped in and finished the fight as the bell rung, but hindsight etc.

As for Aldo faking an injury again this comes from White throwing Aldo under the bus and saying Aldo only had bruised ribs after that Aldo posted photos of his x-Ray which clearly say the date and name and there was a very clear break. Aldo most likely moves up to 155 in an effort to fight McGregor he has cleaned out 45 anyway.
Fair enough with Aldo but something tells me that he's gonna lose again against the next good opponent he faces whether it be McGregor or possibly someone else. We shall see. I am glad you agree about the 10-9 3rd. round. I do not see how you could score that one 10-9.
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I thought bisping won, and I was going for Silva. Major fornicate up by the ref in the third, he called time off before the knee.
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Lancenix wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
Lancenix wrote:Bisbing-Silva fight was crazy in so many ways. The 3rd round is one of the most memorable in the history of the UFC. Michael Bisbing should just fight the fight and stop trying to ref the fight and fight the fight at the same time. He kept trying to stop the fight in the 3rd because his mouthpiece was out but that is not his job. There was no lull in the action and Anderson took advantage. Where was the clock at the end of the 3rd?? Was the round over? The fight could have been scored either way but Bisbing got the nod. Anderson Silva fought well at times and at other times fought like a bi polar weirdo with his back up against the cage for 3 minutes at a time. I still do not know where the clock was at the end of the 3rd. round.

I scored the fight a draw.

Round 1- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 2- Bisbing- 10-9
Round 3- Silva 10-8
Round 4- Bisbing 10-9
Round 5- Silva 10-9

47-47 DRAW
Anderson's problem is he is getting old, a few years ago fighting like that he still would've finished Bisbing. I scored it like you, to not score round 3 10-8 is robbery Bisbing was finished he was literally saved by the bell, he needed to be helped to his feet. Anderson of course fucked up by not following him to the ground after the knee as Herb Dean likely would've jumped in and finished the fight as the bell rung, but hindsight etc.

As for Aldo faking an injury again this comes from White throwing Aldo under the bus and saying Aldo only had bruised ribs after that Aldo posted photos of his x-Ray which clearly say the date and name and there was a very clear break. Aldo most likely moves up to 155 in an effort to fight McGregor he has cleaned out 45 anyway.
Fair enough with Aldo but something tells me that he's gonna lose again against the next good opponent he faces whether it be McGregor or possibly someone else. We shall see. I am glad you agree about the 10-9 3rd. round. I do not see how you could score that one 10-9.
This is the biggest problem with MMA scoring and its IMO bigger than the problem that boxing has with the 10 point must system. Busting was out he was done in the 3rd round he got bashed in the fifth round but him just doing enough to win the rounds he did should not count towards a decision as much as Andersons rounds did because they were so much more dominant. However a huge part of the blame must be on Anderson with his insistence to continually fornicate around. I will say we did see some fornicating awesome techniques from Anderson tonight. The front kick that hurt bisbing(again a time he should ended it) the upwards elbow that landed the crescent kick. I really though when he backed Bisbing up there was no answer.
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Regarding Aldo the next few fights make or break his legacy he is IMO right up there with GSP and Anderson as far as top wins longevity etc but if he is able to come back from an embarrassing knockout to reclaim his title and have another run or go up to 55 and win another title there it puts him above Anderson and GSP.

As a side I know Connor wants to fight Lawler I rewatched the McDonald Lawler fight last night and all I could think was god damn Lawler would most likely destroy him. I think it would be a war but possibly with only Lawler being able to hurt the other guy.
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Maybe I missed something last night.. but wasn't it blatantly obvious Silva could've ended it at any time, though decided he'd rather dance around like an ass?
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JCS wrote:Maybe I missed something last night.. but wasn't it blatantly obvious Silva could've ended it at any time, though decided he'd rather dance around like an ass?

Yeah looked like he could have! I only started watching the last round and thought Silva was pissing it, Then looked at the result after the fight again and Bisping had won?
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I thought Silva won clearly although he let Bisping off the hook twice. Silva was punished for his failure to finish. He really has only himself to blame for the decision.
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Silva is nearly 41, it's possible he can only fight in spurts now and will gas if he really exerts himself for more than a few seconds at a time.

I had Silva winning, but it was a close fight and he gave away the first 2 rounds by doing next to nothing while Bisping was putting in solid work. Who knows what happens if Bisping doesn't lose his composure over the mouthpiece in round 3.
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Tanzio wrote:I thought Silva won clearly although he let Bisping off the hook twice. Silva was punished for his failure to finish. He really has only himself to blame for the decision.
Clearly won? He dropped the first two rounds clearly and in the 4th round he sat on the cage and did nothing for 3 plus minutes. Learn how to score.
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Rexob wrote:
JCS wrote:Maybe I missed something last night.. but wasn't it blatantly obvious Silva could've ended it at any time, though decided he'd rather dance around like an ass?

Yeah looked like he could have! I only started watching the last round and thought Silva was pissing it, Then looked at the result after the fight again and Bisping had won?
If you only started watching in the final round how can you even talk about the fight? That is just dumb.
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JCS wrote:Maybe I missed something last night.. but wasn't it blatantly obvious Silva could've ended it at any time, though decided he'd rather dance around like an ass?
He dropped the first two rounds clearly. Then the third he was winning then had the dramatic finish at the end of the round. 4th round he went back to his bi polar fooling around. 5th round landed a big front kick but did not follow it up. To say that he could have won at any time is just a foolish statement.
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