This would have been one hell of a war!.... who would come out on top??.... My pick is Jeffries.... he was so big and durable, he would take Dempseys best shots early on and grind Dempsey down for a ko win in about 12 rounds...... Jeffries would just be too strong.... 
Jeffries had one of the best chins ever while Dempsey was floored and koed in his career. Jeffries thrived on slugging and was seemingly impervious to punishment....BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Dempsey TKO 7 jeffries
-dempsey was a greater puncher and far more skilled and faster. dempsey matches jeffries in heart and chin department. i think dempsey would dominate jeffries on the inside and turn this into a slugout which will only favor dempsey even more. the ref stops the fight after jeffries is down for the 6th time.
The loss to Flynn didn't mean a dang thing for his career. Dempsey had just returned from a depressing trip to New York where he learned all of his mining town exploits didn't impress a soul out east. Immediately after taking a dive against Flynn in Utah, he left the mountain states for good and headed to California. THAT was when Dempsey's career really took off and drew attention from the sporting press, and within a year of flopping to Flynn, Jack had beaten ranked contenders Gunboat Smith and Carl Morris. Those wins were significantly more important than anything young Dempsey had done up until that point.silkov wrote:Why would he do that?.... the flynn loss set his career back a big way and he talking extensively in his biographies about how he was devastated by the defeat....BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:I think dempsey took a dive vs flynn.
Chin?? Sorry my friend, but you're overstating your case here. What big punchers did Dempsey face compared to Jeffries? Bill Brennan? Jeff took the best shots by such devastating punchers as Bob Fitzsimmons, Sailor Tom Sharkey and Joe Choynski.BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Dempsey TKO 7 jeffries
-dempsey was a greater puncher and far more skilled and faster. dempsey matches jeffries in heart and chin department. i think dempsey would dominate jeffries on the inside and turn this into a slugout which will only favor dempsey even more. the ref stops the fight after jeffries is down for the 6th time.
I think Jim is underrated these days and it's good that you're championing him here. Maybe over 25 rounds he could beat Jack but over 15 he would simply take too much punishment early on. I think his stamina and durability would afford him some success in the later rounds and he might have Jack hanging on but Dempsey would be way too much of a handful.silkov wrote:
I think that Jack would win this fight as well. But I must disagree with you that he hit harder than anyone Jeff faced. Sharkey was a guy who could take you out with a single punch. His KO record is astounding, very rare for the day. And he was much stronger than Jack as well. Choynski carried quite a whack as well.barry wrote:While I really respect Jeffries, I think Dempsey would bust him up and really hurt him enough to either gain a lop-sided points win, or possibly even a late stoppage. Dempsey hit harder than anyone Jeffries faced, but that's not the equalizer...Dempsey's speed is what would give him a very decided edge. Jeffries took some vicious punishment from Fitzsimmons and Sharkey, but neither were the all-around fighter that Dempsey was. In his prime Dempsey had it all....speed, power, roughness, toughness, killer instinct, skill, chin and the ability to take punishment, but what probably sets Dempsey apart from all others was his desire to win, which every champion has, but very few could compare to Dempsey in my opinion when he was in his prime. The Dempsey that stepped into the ring on July 4, 1919 was arguably the most devastating fighter to ever lace on the gloves.
Nero3000 wrote:True, but would you put him in the Sharkey, Fitz or Choynski calibre?Decagon wrote:Luis Firpo had a punch.
Rocky Marciano was a 185 lb cruiserweight. Does he hit as hard as a big 250 lb heavyweight like Primo Carnera? Or Jess Willard?BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:Nero3000 wrote:True, but would you put him in the Sharkey, Fitz or Choynski calibre?Decagon wrote:Luis Firpo had a punch.
choynski and fitz were 167lb, super middles. do they hit as hard as a big 220lb powerful heavweight like luis firpo?
sharkey was not a devastating puncher. he was a good puncher, but not in the class of fitz. i think firpo hit harder than sharkey. firpo packed a huge right hand
I think fans confuse style with power. Dempsey was a seek and destroy fighter. He tried to get early KO's. Jeffries preferred to pick his man apart on his own terms.barry wrote:While I really respect Jeffries, I think Dempsey would bust him up and really hurt him enough to either gain a lop-sided points win, or possibly even a late stoppage. Dempsey hit harder than anyone Jeffries faced, but that's not the equalizer...Dempsey's speed is what would give him a very decided edge. Jeffries took some vicious punishment from Fitzsimmons and Sharkey, but neither were the all-around fighter that Dempsey was. In his prime Dempsey had it all....speed, power, roughness, toughness, killer instinct, skill, chin and the ability to take punishment, but what probably sets Dempsey apart from all others was his desire to win, which every champion has, but very few could compare to Dempsey in my opinion when he was in his prime. The Dempsey that stepped into the ring on July 4, 1919 was arguably the most devastating fighter to ever lace on the gloves.
Jeff went a total of 45 rounds with Sailor Tom Sharkey, one of the hardest punchers the division has seen, caroming blows off his chin. This is the same Tom Sharkey that floored Fitzsimmons, Corbett(almost KOing him), Peter Maher and KO'd Gus Ruhlin, Joe Choynski, Fred Russell and Kid McCoy with single blows.Ambling Alp wrote:Dempsey should be able to win this. He would probably outland Jeffries by about a 5-1 ratio. We know that Jeffries had to have had a very good chin; he wasn't knocked down except for the Johnson fight which really doesn't count.
However, we really don't know if he had a Tex Cobb/George Chuvalo type chin. He simply didn't have enough fights. (Atleast on record). If Jeffries did have that kind of chin, he could last 15 rounds, but Dempsey would win by decision. (Of course, if the fight was scheduled for 45 rounds like some of his, Jeffries could concievably win.
The most likely outcome would be would be Dempsey chopping Jeffries down and winning by ko in 7-10 rounds, though Jeffries may knock Dempsey down once or twice. It would be interesting to watch.
Wheres the evidence that Dempsey took a dive?... there is none!... he just got caught!...UpWithEvil wrote:The loss to Flynn didn't mean a dang thing for his career. Dempsey had just returned from a depressing trip to New York where he learned all of his mining town exploits didn't impress a soul out east. Immediately after taking a dive against Flynn in Utah, he left the mountain states for good and headed to California. THAT was when Dempsey's career really took off and drew attention from the sporting press, and within a year of flopping to Flynn, Jack had beaten ranked contenders Gunboat Smith and Carl Morris. Those wins were significantly more important than anything young Dempsey had done up until that point.silkov wrote:Why would he do that?.... the flynn loss set his career back a big way and he talking extensively in his biographies about how he was devastated by the defeat....BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:I think dempsey took a dive vs flynn.
What was Jack Dempsey's most significant win before the Flynn fight in Utah? Certainly Dempsey had fought far more frequently than his "official" record claims during this period, but so what? 100 fights against local brawlers didn't carry as much weight as beating Gunboat Smith.
yea but dempsey is also a greater puncher than anyone jeffries faced at heavyweight. its not that easy, jeffries simply wont push jack around. jack was far more skilled than jeffries all around with better boxing skills, and jack was a lot faster and was a greater two handed puncher than jeffries. I think dempsey is too skilled and fast for jeffries.silkov wrote:People keep saying about the punishment that Dempsey would dish out, but what about the punishment that Jeffries would dish out?. Jeffries hit harder than anyone that Dempsey faced, was extremely strong physically... I think he would force Dempsey back, nulifying a lot of his punch power, and simply be far too strong for Dempsey...
Jeffries struggled with clever boxers but Dempseys come forward style would be made for him imo...
Jeffries faced a number of fighters who equaled Dempsey in punching... certainly Fitz and Sharkey were tremendous punchers... Jeffries was far more skilled than Firpo and look what Firpo did to Dempsey.....BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:yea but dempsey is also a greater puncher than anyone jeffries faced at heavyweight. its not that easy, jeffries simply wont push jack around. jack was far more skilled than jeffries all around with better boxing skills, and jack was a lot faster and was a greater two handed puncher than jeffries. I think dempsey is too skilled and fast for jeffries.silkov wrote:People keep saying about the punishment that Dempsey would dish out, but what about the punishment that Jeffries would dish out?. Jeffries hit harder than anyone that Dempsey faced, was extremely strong physically... I think he would force Dempsey back, nulifying a lot of his punch power, and simply be far too strong for Dempsey...
Jeffries struggled with clever boxers but Dempseys come forward style would be made for him imo...