I see a farce in Canelo-Khan

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I see a farce in Canelo-Khan

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first i was very happy about the match up, cause i like big names boxing each other. but now i think khan is gonne get ridiouled very fast. not so long ago he was losin or gettin kod agaist guys like peterson and garcia. no disrespect to those guys, but they are not on the level of canelo by any mean. canelo hit twice as hard as danny does and danny totaly battered 'no chin khan'. now khan gonne face the strongest puncher of the 154 division, 2 divisions over his natural weight :brick:

to me it just sucks that with so many guys close to equaling or surpassing canelos talent like ggg, jacobs, lara, charlo bros, andrade that he choses amir as his ppv event. both big names, but just to much in difference of strength and natural body weight. khan simply no match for canelo. khan wont even do 3 rounds, canelo robbing his fans $
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Thanks for catching up to the rest of us who thought this the minute it was announced.
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Chepppaaa wrote:first i was very happy about the match up, cause i like big names boxing each other. but now i think khan is gonne get ridiouled very fast. not so long ago he was losin or gettin kod agaist guys like peterson and garcia. no disrespect to those guys, but they are not on the level of canelo by any mean. canelo hit twice as hard as danny does and danny totaly battered 'no chin khan'. now khan gonne face the strongest puncher of the 154 division, 2 divisions over his natural weight :brick:

to me it just sucks that with so many guys close to equaling or surpassing canelos talent like ggg, jacobs, lara, charlo bros, andrade that he choses amir as his ppv event. both big names, but just to much in difference of strength and natural body weight. khan simply no match for canelo. khan wont even do 3 rounds, canelo robbing his fans $
I think Khan will do better than most think for about half of the fight. I wouldn't be surprised if he is even ahead in rounds the first 3 or 4. After about the fourth round though Khan begins to fade and look ordinary, and then he will be in trouble...big trouble. Canelo isn't as big of a puncher as most think, but if a guy stands in front of him or is on the ropes he has some great combinations and varied shots that have great effect. Khan isn't anywhere in the league of Floyd or even Lara in avoiding those shots, nor does he have the chin to take them. I would guess Canelo will KO him in rounds 5-7.
I hope one of the Charlos or Andrade get a shot at Canelo, or move up to fight GGG, since Canelo doesn't seem to have the boys to do.
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Kahn can box and move and who knows maybe he can box him like Lara did. Kirkland was a much better match up for Canelo than someone that can box and move. The thing about Canelo is that he is a Mexican coward and that is boxing these days. You can't expect him to be a stand up guy when he is not. But after this fight he must fight GGG or throw the belt in the trash in fear like Cotto did running away from GGG and into the barron hills of Puerto Rico.
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Abel Sanchez thinks that Khan has a chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakhZ3SR7Jo
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I hate Khan more than anyone.
I'm trying to be objective but I can't see anyway possible for Khan to win.
I honestly believe he will be knocked out brutally.
Even though he is the one fighter I just despise I do want to see him hurt as badly as I believe he will be.
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ikorolev wrote:Abel Sanchez thinks that Khan has a chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakhZ3SR7Jo
I agree with Sanchez he makes good points. If Kahn can box and move he can win. Floyd and Lara gave fits to Canelo with their movement and boxing skills. Obviously, Kahn is not PBF but he has skills.
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Lancenix wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Abel Sanchez thinks that Khan has a chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakhZ3SR7Jo
I agree with Sanchez he makes good points. If Kahn can box and move he can win. Floyd and Lara gave fits to Canelo with their movement and boxing skills. Obviously, Kahn is not PBF but he has skills.
He lacks a boxing brain though, he is very predictable, he won't have enough tricks to keen Canelo guessing, and he won't have the power to dissuade him. Khan will probably do well in the first 4, but once he starts slowing down, he's going to get picked apart.

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Technical decision. I'm calling it now. Khan the new lineal middleweight champion of the world. :OhYes:
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Abel Sanchez thinks that Khan has a chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakhZ3SR7Jo
I agree with Sanchez he makes good points. If Kahn can box and move he can win. Floyd and Lara gave fits to Canelo with their movement and boxing skills. Obviously, Kahn is not PBF but he has skills.
He lacks a boxing brain though, he is very predictable, he won't have enough tricks to keen Canelo guessing, and he won't have the power to dissuade him. Khan will probably do well in the first 4, but once he starts slowing down, he's going to get picked apart.

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You could very well be right. I still think Alvarez likes to hit what is right in front of him. Moving targets give him trouble. I would not give Alvarez too much credit. I think he is overrated.
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I'm the opposite to the OP. I initially thought "Canelo much too strong for Khan" but as time goes on I do believe Khan has a chance of winning.

Fast jabs & one-twos then hold on for dear life when Canelo moves in.

It might work, it might not but I'm now up to giving Khan a 33.3% chance :verysad:
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Taansend wrote:I'm the opposite to the OP. I initially thought "Canelo much too strong for Khan" but as time goes on I do believe Khan has a chance of winning.

Fast jabs & one-twos then hold on for dear life when Canelo moves in.

It might work, it might not but I'm now up to giving Khan a 33.3% chance :verysad:
I am giving Khan about 15% chance of winning.
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Taansend wrote:I'm the opposite to the OP. I initially thought "Canelo much too strong for Khan" but as time goes on I do believe Khan has a chance of winning.

Fast jabs & one-twos then hold on for dear life when Canelo moves in.

It might work, it might not but I'm now up to giving Khan a 33.3% chance :verysad:
Yeah Khan has a reasonable chance. He'll have to fight an absolutely perfect fight though, and depending on how prepared Canelo is it still might not be enough.
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I think Khan will take the first 4 or 5 rounds but Canelo is going to stop him eventually. Bit of a mismatch really. Khan lacks the power, the chin, the size and strength to cope with Canelo.
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Canelo will be ripped at the weigh in and will rehydrate to 170+
Khan will not be ripped at the weigh in and will rehydrate to maybe 160
Danny Garcia weighed 150 the night he KOd Khan
Canelo will KO Khan in 4 or less
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..I believe the result is easily predictable..it will depend though on Khan's tactics...he chooses to run and avoid the contact, it might last longer..once he decides to engage, it will be all over in no time..
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Drinquor wrote:Canelo will be ripped at the weigh in and will rehydrate to 170+
Khan will not be ripped at the weigh in and will rehydrate to maybe 160
Danny Garcia weighed 150 the night he KOd Khan
Canelo will KO Khan in 4 or less
Floyd was much smaller and picked apart this slow footed Mexican. Kahn could do the same. lara moved and almost won the fight. Canelo is slow, his foot pattern is predictable. Cotto did not get ripped apart at all and that fight in many peoples eyes was much closer than scored. You guys are overarting Alvarez. Kahn sees something he can exploit. I am telling you this one has stinker written all over it. If this guy was so badd ass he would be fighting GGG but he is not.
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ikorolev wrote:Abel Sanchez thinks that Khan has a chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakhZ3SR7Jo

Abel Sanchez is deluded, just like when he opines that that Russian guy he trains is the 3rd best middleweight in history.

Khan's only advantage over Canelo is speed, both hand and foot.

But after he feels the pressure, beginning in the second round, that speed will only help him run and survive for a while.

He's too tiny and his chin is too fragile to hang with Canelo for very long. Only wishful Brits can conjure up a scenario where Kahn-job wins.
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SenorPipino wrote:
ikorolev wrote:Abel Sanchez thinks that Khan has a chance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakhZ3SR7Jo

Abel Sanchez is deluded, just like when he opines that that Russian guy he trains is the 3rd best middleweight in history.

Khan's only advantage over Canelo is speed, both hand and foot.

But after he feels the pressure, beginning in the second round, that speed will only help him run and survive for a while.

He's too tiny and his chin is too fragile to hang with Canelo for very long. Only wishful Brits can conjure up a scenario where Kahn-job wins.
GGG is one of the most avoided fighters I have ever seen. He is undefeated and is certainly one of the most powerful MW ever.
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Khan walks around at 165, so about 15lbs heavier than Floyd. He is taller too, with a bigger frame. The size difference isn't going to be shocking. Canelo will have about a 10-12lb weight advantage I am guessing. Strength of Canelo will show though when he finally traps Khan and gets out of one of the multiple headlocks from Khan to KO him. Both fighters tend to fade some as the fight goes on, so it will be entertaining.
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If nothing else, this fight is certainly intriguing. The biggest point here is of course the punch resistance of Khan, and whether he can be as illusive as he needs to be. Floyd put on a masterclass against Canelo to help negate that size and power difference, but we all know that Khan cannot come close to Money in that area. There are points during the early rounds that I think Khan may make Alvarez look a bit silly, but you can't help but feel that he will catch up with him at some point, and really test Khan's chin. At that point it could be game over.
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They went face to face yesterday. I couldn't believe it. I thought Khan looked the bigger guy.
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This is for the people complaining about this bout: Have you guys been watching the piss poor bouts so far this year? You are going to pick THIS ONE out and complain about it? You're crazy. This is the ONLY scheduled fight that i'm looking forward to so far in 2016.

Everyone is getting a little too high on Canelo for beating an old midget in Cotto and two cavemen Angulo and Kirland. Let's remember that the Khan is going to represent an opposition that is more similar to Floyd and Lara than any of the latter names mentioned. And what happened in those fights? If we're being honest, Canelo clearly lost both of those fights handily. You could argue that Khan has faster hands than both Floyd and Lara and we have seen Canelo look very average against speed.

It's my feeling that Khan won't win because this one's going to the cards and Canelo has shown to have an unusual amount of friends with pencils in their hands. But I will guarantee that this fight will fantastic and way more evenly contested than any of you believe.
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PredatorHayds wrote:They went face to face yesterday. I couldn't believe it. I thought Khan looked the bigger guy.
People had preconceived notions prior to the fight because Khan is "chinny", "lanky", and is moving up from 140, whereas Canelo is the big, strong as an ox power puncher who can easily rehydrate to light heavyweight.

In reality Khan's a natural middleweight he cuts down to welter and is slightly taller than Canelo. Kind of like how people reacted seeing Ali and Liston in the ring for the first time.

Honestly the chin thing might be simply due to him fighting at a weight far below his natural limit. Freddy Roach also said in an interview Khan "didn't train his legs properly" and if you look at his fights prior to then, he had a well built upper body but fairly thin unimpressive "i-skipped-leg-day" prison legs. It makes sense in terms of punch resistence because strong legs can act as shock absorbers when you get rocked and are trying to keep balance.
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Cygnus475 wrote:
PredatorHayds wrote:They went face to face yesterday. I couldn't believe it. I thought Khan looked the bigger guy.
People had preconceived notions prior to the fight because Khan is "chinny", "lanky", and is moving up from 140, whereas Canelo is the big, strong as an ox power puncher who can easily rehydrate to light heavyweight.

In reality Khan's a natural middleweight he cuts down to welter and is slightly taller than Canelo. Kind of like how people reacted seeing Ali and Liston in the ring for the first time.

Honestly the chin thing might be simply due to him fighting at a weight far below his natural limit. Freddy Roach also said in an interview Khan "didn't train his legs properly" and if you look at his fights prior to then, he had a well built upper body but fairly thin unimpressive "i-skipped-leg-day" prison legs. It makes sense in terms of punch resistence because strong legs can act as shock absorbers when you get rocked and are trying to keep balance.
Yes, this is possible, I was thinking this the other day. However, improvements in his chin, will likely be counteracted by the fact he is facing harder hitting fighters, at least to some extent. We will see when Canelo starts landing something solid.
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