Would Chuvalo have given Marciano problems?

[Expug]

Would he? Because of Chuvalos chin and strength would the Rock have any trouble?

[Expug]

No comparing comin from me .Just a simple question from ole Expug.You answered it.Thats for sure. Of course if I want to compare em,I sure as hell will.

[Marciano Frazier]

Meh. It'd probably be a reasonably competitive fight, but Chuvalo would take a fairly steady beating and either lose on a wide decision or late ref stoppage.

[Expug]

Sounds fair. The reason I started this post is really because I'd like to hear some thoughts on what style Rocky would have trouble with. Would he be able to hurt Chuvalo? If nothing else,he was tougher than a nickel steak.If Marciano couldnt K.O. him could he adjust? Would he Box and move a little bit? I dont know if Marciano ever fought a guy who could take punishment like Chuvalo.Chuvalo was a decent puncher also.

[barry]

>>>Chuvalo KO1 Marciano. Don't try to compare a cruiserweight from boxing's worst heavyweight division ever to a solid heavyweight from boxing's greatest heavyweight division ever. <<<


Jesus!!! I really don't know what to say about this kind of nonsense!

[BoxBuzz]

barry, the fact is that if such a match would occur, parachute man would have time to increase his precision, and manage to land flat on Chuvalo in the middle of the fifth. Based on the hit out of nowhere Chuvalo's knee would be injured and he would not be able to continue.

Thus ruling this particular fight a no contest.

Sorry to dissapoint everyone but this is the fight that parachute man always wanted.

[tiredoldngrey]

Chuvalo would give any one problems for one simple reason; land your best shot and he's right there punching back. And if Cockell proved troublesome...

[barry]

Parachute man committed suicide a couple of years ago...no shit.


>>>Chuvalo would give any one problems for one simple reason; land your best shot and he's right there punching back.<<<

Of course he would give Marciano trouble, Chuvalo would give anyone trouble, but win...by first round knockout...

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Chuvalo would give any one problems for one simple reason; land your best shot and he's right there punching back. And if Cockell proved troublesome...

i wouldnt say cockell proved troublesome, marciano was pitching a shutout vs cockell outside of 1 judge who gave the 2nd round to 'our don'.

i see chuvalo because of his chin and strength giving anyone problems but marcianos workate and non stop punching would prove hell for chuvalo and I pick marciano by mid round TKO after a vicious battering.


remember frazier and foreman stopped chuvalo early.









marciano once said "if all fights went 100 rounds, george chuvalo would be unbeaten in any era"

[tigerpomfret]

i think it would have been a win for chuvalo,just like many of the other big heavies of the late 60`s early 70`s,many way to powerful for rock.

[BoxBuzz]

Not sure Marciano had that right. Chuvalo might have caved eventually in that Foreman fight, the Frazier one is almost as good a bet as well. I like George but I have to call it like I see it.

[harrygreb]

[quote="barry"]Parachute man committed suicide a couple of years ago...no shit.


who the hell is "parachute man"? it cant be chuvalo as george is alive and well and turned up in Brampton, Ontario last month as part of his anti drugs campaign.
but i have to agree with barry about decagons post about the outcome of the marciano/chuvalo dust up. complete nonsense.

[barry]

Parchute man was the fellow who parachuted into the ring during the second Bowe-Holyfield fight, which caused a big delay and which Bowe's entourage of thugs beat the "Fan-Man" silly.

[silkov]

Marciano was faster and more accurate with his punches, this would be a good fight but Chuvalo would be stopped on cuts in about 10 rounds....
Marciano actually 'managed' Chuvalo for a while but it turned into a publicity stunt....

[bill.lockhart]

Both were tough as nails, with loads of heart.
Rocky was the better puncher & had more offensive ability. I see a possible stoppage via the tko route in 10 or 11 rounds. It could go the distance, but George would take a pummeling in the late going. Rocky thew many more punches & it might become a case of how much George could take. Either way Rocky wins it.

[JC]

Sounds fair. The reason I started this post is really because I'd like to hear some thoughts on what style Rocky would have trouble with.

I would say big skilled fighters with a long reach and a good jab. ie Liston, Foreman, Holmes would be the nightmare match-ups for Marciano.

[KO Artist]

Marciano TKO10 Chuvalo

Chuvalo would be competetive for 5 rounds or so, but his work would reduce to the stage where he became a punchbag by the ninth or tenth.

The referee would step in to save him from further punishment around the 10th, with Marciano 6 - 3 up in rounds

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Sounds fair. The reason I started this post is really because I'd like to hear some thoughts on what style Rocky would have trouble with.

I would say big skilled fighters with a long reach and a good jab. ie Liston, Foreman, Holmes would be the nightmare match-ups for Marciano.

disagree




i think the smaller faster skilled fighters are nightmarish for marciano

[BoxBuzz]

BB so in your estimation a Jimmy Young would be more of a problem for the Rock than a Foreman? Is that a good example? Interesting take.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

Well, we know that Marciano has trouble with small, quick fighters from watching the Walcott and Charles bouts. We've never seen a matchup between Marciano and a talented fighter with a long reach, like Ali, Foreman, Holmes or Liston. BB likes to assume that Marciano would destroy all of them because he's a nutrider.

spoken like a true idiot. you know dec, sometimes you make some pretty ridiculous and unintelligent claims.



boxbuzz wrote

BB so in your estimation a Jimmy Young would be more of a problem for the Rock than a Foreman? Is that a good example? Interesting take.

well i think foremans a freak of nature and would beat marciano so let me use a better example like............


IMO, I think jimmy young would be more of a problem for marciano than say a ron lyle.



i think roland lastarza would be more of a problem for marciano than nino valdes



i hope that answers your question






back to decagon,


i spoke with peter marciano and he told me rocky always felt he was at his best against the bigger men, and he liked fighting them better than the smaller speedy guys. he felt his style was made to clobber the big men.




sonny marciano(rockys other brother) said "the truth was that rocky loved fighting the big guys; he found them easier to beat and knock out than those faster little guys that ran all over the ring and tried to escape."


people gotta realize........marcianos non stop punching and workrate would cause HUGE FITS for the big men. they simply cannot keep up with marciano. plus they are bigger targets or not as fast so marciano will have a lot easier time punching them around the ring



the other day i was watching lyle-foreman and i could only imagine if either foreman or lyle were in the ring with marciano THAT NIGHT, both would have been knocked out by marciano. it was a grewat fight and incredible slugout, however i couldnt help but laugh at how tired both were and it looked like both were going to drop over from exhaustion. because they were so tired, they lost some snap in there punches and started throwing wild punches. had marciano that night been in the ring with both, he would have stopped them because could not cope with marcianos workrate and stamina. they would be dead after 4 rounds. now granted, that wasnt a prime foreman in there.




besides holmes and ali arnt big. they are both 6'3 and around 208-212lb in there prime. thats not big. when joe louis fought marciano, he was just as big 6'2 214lb.



i think a guy like roy jones would give marciano huge fits until rock catches him and knocks him out. a smaller incredibly fast man like jones would make marciano look silly for a couple rounds.



look at some of the top contenders rocky almost fought during his title reign


6'3 210lb nino valdes
6'2 220lb bob baker



these guys are big skilled men however i think they would be TAILOR MADE FOR MARCIANO. i think rocky would destroy these guys alot easier than a high skilled boxer and counterpuncher like roland lastarza. perhaps bakers handspeed might give marciano some problems but his chin, vunerable defense, and the big target he would be offering would provide him as an easy target for marcianos deadly offense.




i know rocky didnt face any skilled big men outside of joe louis, however look at marcianos record and see what happened to all the big guys he faced.


-every man marciano faced that weighed 200lb +, marciano knocked out

- the two biggest men marciano fought did not last 1 round with marciano

why does louis speak so highly of marciano because of there fight? louis rates marciano way up there and always speaks incredibly high on rocky. louis fought him, shouldnt joes opinion count?



fact is, marcianos style was made to break men mentally as well as physically. usually u would never be the same after a fight with rocky. there are a lot of big skilled men, but i dont think many have the MENTAL toughness, stamina, heart for rocky. he would drain every ounce of will in ur body. most of these fat out of shape guys would quit if they ever got in the ring with marciano. u think they want to put there body through that hell?

[HomicideHenry]

George Chuvalo was a good boxer, but his main strength was his ability, like Marciano to take extreme punishment.

George wasn't fast, and he didnt hit hard. He could take a beating, but hell if Marciano could defeat Walcott and Charles---and u can argue all u wnat that they were old---but they were even then a HELLUVA lot more faster than Chuvalo ever was.

Being a stationary target in front of Marciano would be the stupidest thing in the world to be. Marciano could slug it out with the best of them, and you can say Don Cockell was giving Marciano problems---but even to Marciano's own testimony, the toughest fight he ever had was with Carmine Vingo when he was rising as a contender, and he ended Vingo's career---and that's saying something considering he faced Louis, Walcott, LaStarza, Charles.

Marciano is always ignorantly described as a clumsy bafoon in the ring, but that isn't so---early on in his career he was sloppy---but in his later years even when he faced Archie Moore, who even after losing to Marciano would go on to hold the Light Heavyweight title for 10 more years, his bobbing and weaving and body punching attack was down to a T.

Chuvalo could take a punch. I give him that. But the way I see it, Marciano was better than Joe Frazier in all ways---and Frazier blew Chuvalo away in 4 rounds. Marciano, despite being 185 pounds, in my opinion hit harder than Frazier as well---I dare say he probably was on the Foreman level---cause Marciano, wasn't that small naturally, he trained down that small---and trained like a bare-knuckle fighter, so that for 15 rounds he could go all out, because he had the endurance to go 40-50 rounds!

I say...Marciano wins via TKO (depends on the rules of the times) 4th round. I mean ffs when would have Chuvalo fought Marciano neways? By 1964 Chuvalo had done faced Floyd Patterson for the first time, and Marciano was retired for 8yrs---and Chuvalo started out as a pro in 1956 the same year Marciano vacated the title.

The contenders at the time of Marciano's retirement were such guys as Floyd Patterson, Tommy Jackson, Archie Moore...and later on guys like Pete Rademacher, Zora Folley, Tom McNeeley, Ingemar Johanson and of course Sonny Liston.

The only man out of the bunch, in my mind, who would have gave Marciano problems would have been Liston, for his jab was one of the best and he hit like a mule---but then again Liston's greatest power was being a bully---that never phased Marciano, not when Moore was saying he'd knock Marciano out at any time, Marciano was never intimidated.

Marciano either way would have his way with Liston, sooner or later he would go all out and break through Liston's defense and tear him down and show the ex-con he wasn't afraid.

I ain't saying Marciano is the greatest...but I think Teddy Atlas said it best, even though I think Atlas is just about the biggest prick on television: "Marciano is the most over-rated, yet somehow the most under-rated Heavyweight in history."

[Expug]

Parchute man was the fellow who parachuted into the ring during the second Bowe-Holyfield fight, which caused a big delay and which Bowe's entourage of thugs beat the "Fan-Man" silly.

I dont remember ,was it Golota or the parachute man who got pummeled with a cell phone by one of Bowes posse members? Somebody help me out here.

[Expug]

Lampley sure has that flair for the dramatic. Mute button.