Classic American West Coast Boxing

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The Unknown Eater

It seems like a very long time ago that I worked at that school in Tijuana coaching American football.The school was called CETYs,an acronym that stood for Centro Education Technica and (something that begins with a 's').They're big on acronyms in Mexico. They also like to put official stamps on things.Everthing is very officious,but if you have the money you can around all the red tape.


Anyway it was in the late 80's that I was traveling back and forth across the border six days a week to coach the U.S brand of football at that private school.The kids that went to CETYs were bred from the aristocracy of TJ. They often referred to themselves as that,the aristocracy. They were proud of their position.Socially,economically,they felt entitled.But it was an arrogance that I didn't mind that much. They liked me there at the school. The rich and the poor are distanced apart in Mexico. The poor are made to feel inferior.People that struggle often feel that way. The rich don't have much to do with the poor except to exploit them.But with the rise of the cartels,the rich have to be more careful.The poor continue to be exploited.They don't have the energy or the means to do anything about it.

I did a pretty good job with the football team. I scheduled games against U.S. teams.Those games were very important to us. We also played local teams in Tijuana. Those games were usually decided by how much money you could bribe the referees. Since we were the only school that played against U.S. teams(we had to play the games in San Diego.that was all right with us.The U.S. refs didn't put the "bite' on us).CETYs won nine games against the American squads against three losses.That was a first for a Mexican school to cross the border and have success against a "gringo' school. CETYs was very popular because of those victories. But we were also very hated by the local rivals.Instead of being proud of their compadres beating the "gringos" from the north,they conspired against us. That's where they got to the referees. I wouldn't pay them off. In the end that was one of the reasons I left the school.They also didn't pay "jack" to anyone there even though the school was owned by one of the wealthiest men in Mexico.Jose Fimbres,the founder of the Cali Max super market chain.

But looking back, it was a new experience for me,and it was fun.I made a lot of friends there.I am still very close to many of them,players,parents,coaches,teachers,and administrators.

I spent a long day at the school when we were in season.After practice the coaches liked to go out for coffee at one of the restaurants on the boulevard. I remember when there was almost nothing out there in the 50's. At the west end of the boulevard(where it began)was the Caliente Race Track.Then about a half mile down the road was the municipal auditorium. Turning left on one of the side streets was the La Mesa penitentiary and Colonia 20 de Noviembre.Getting back on the boulevard going east there were a couple of cantinas,then nothing until you hit Tecate which was 40 miles down the road.But when I started work at CETYs the boulevard was all built up with restaurants ,shopping centers,various places of business. It was a lot of hustle and bustle,and the boulverd was always congested with cars and trucks.You can never get the smell of that Mexican gas out of you. It's not that it's offensive,just very recognizable.I can't remember the name of the coffee shop the coaches and I would go to after practice except that it had an "American" name.That was not only prestigious,but chic.

I'll never forget one night we were all sitting at this big round table lapping up cup after cup of coffee.Of course me being the "gringo' my staff thought I was rich. All Mexicans think Americans are rich. I bet Jose Fimbres even thought I was rich.I never saw one of those guys make a move towards the check when we finally asked the poor waitress for the bill. Those guys had no hesitation for telling the waitress to pour for 10 or 12 free refills.After finishing with us the waitress probably needed her shoes to be resoled.Of course,I'd leave the tip. They had no shame.They were happy just like a bunch of little kids.

The night I'll never forget went like this. We're sitting around, like I said, when I saw this guy come through the door and grab a empty booth across from us.He was alone facing me.I did a double take. I looked him over real hard before I said to one of coaches sitting next to me."Isn't that Ruben Olivares?"
The coach broke away from the banter and gave a quick look at the guy I was referring to.
"If it is he probably can't read the menu,"he laughed.
The rest of the staff now fused their attention on the guy sitting in the booth.
"Someone should tell him that if he needs to take a s--t,They have bathrooms here."
More laughter from the group.
"It looks just like him,"I said still staring. "He even has that gap in his front teeth."
"He got that fom sucking his thumb too much,"chimed in another.
Now it seemed it was a competition to see who could come up with the better insult.I pretended their comments didn't phase me.
"He was a great fighter.One of Mexico's best ever,"I exclaimed.
"He's probably got syphilis by now,"blurted the last comedian.

Whoever that guy was,he sat there by himself. He ate alone.No one paid him any attention except the group I was with and that wouldn't have happened if I hadn't initiated it.My coaching staff didn't feel like continuing their attack. They got back to gossiping and bragging about everything and everyone that popped up into their minds. We finished drowning ourselves in coffee.The caffeine was having a counter affect on me. I was beat.I wanted to cross the border and go home.

As I drove to the border I thought of the time I saw Olivares fight at the Forum in Los Angeles against Jesus Pimental.The arena was packed to the doors.Fireworks were going off,the excitement in the crowd ran through your body. After Olivares had Pimental hanging through the ropes,I could only imagine all the celebrating and pandemonium that continued after his triumph.

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Me and the wife will be going to Michoacán for two weeks. Will bring back a story for sure. Hasta luego. :salut:
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Sitting On Top Of The World


My wife was born in the village of Paredones,Michoacan which is sprinkled on top of a mountain that overlooks the town of Jiquilpan where my wife and I have our house. Both towns are small and relatively quiet.Jiquilpan's population moves around the 15,000 figure depending how many (mostly of the male population)has trekked illegally across the border to El Norte.Paredones is very small.It's habitants have dwindled to almost nothing now. There's the sense underneath that it isn't what it all seems,tranquility and antiquity are openly visible,but the people know that the brute is in control, whether he behaves inside the guise of a uniform or gives the appearance of the gentleman caballero. Every year we drive up the winding road to Paredones so my wife can refresh her recollections of her childhood.

Her second cousin Cecy runs the only store in Paredones.We stopped the car in front of her abarrotes.Cecy was standing outside the door. Her iron gray hair was pulled back into a thick braid that drooped straight down her back .She was wearinng her mendil that was stained with dirt and grease.She wore her wool socks up to her knees.She smiled openly when she saw our car pull up.She was missing her front teeth,but that was long forgotten and made no difference.
"Maria,"she shouted,"Milagro!!".
Even though Cecy was maybe five years younger than my wife,Cecy looked old enough to be Maria's mother.
"Como estas?",asked my wife.My wife lived with Cecy and her mother for awhile after all Maria's siblings left the little ranch to make it out on their own.Maria and Cecy cleaned garbanzos for a short time in Jiquilpan for a 1.50 a day.
"Oh Maria, my brother Jose's wife died of cancer.They say he was dead,but they put a mirror under his nose and you could see the vapor."
"How is your husband Emilio?,"asked my wife as she got out of the car.I followed behind her.
"He is in the back,"answered Cecy."They are going to cut off his foot tomorrow.The diabetes has made him use a cane.If you want to see him he is sitting next to the house in the back."
"Every time we come here there are less people,"said my wife.
"There is no work,besides the cartels have driven everybody away.There is no protection up here."
"Did you daughter Lupita get married?"asked Maria.
"She married her novio.They live in Chiapas.He works for the Mexican immigration down there."
"What's that like?"I asked Cecy rhetorically.
"Her husband says they often shoot the people who come up from Honduras and Guatamala.They let the panthers eat their bodies in the jungle."
"That's horrible."
"Most of the time they let them cross into Mexico.They rob them and take what they have, and then the immigrants get on top of the trains to try to get to the border.Then the gangs board the trains and rob what is left,rape the woman,and throw the bodies off. There are some religious sanctuaries for them,but they are not funded by the government."
That was enough that I wanted to hear about that scenario.It just validated everything.Besides,Cecy wanted to talk about family.
"Your niece Concepcion took her family to Salinas. They just walked away from the ranch and left everything,"said Cecy.
"We were going to go up the road to see her,"said Maria.
"They left 6 months ago.The vandals destroyed what was left."
"How are you feeling"asked Maria.
"The doctor gave me pills for my high blood pressure. Sometimes I can't get out of bed in the morning. The whole room spins around,"
"How is Emilio going to get to the hospital tomorrow?"asked my wife.
"My nephew Pancho is going to take him to Sahuayo in his truck,but I don't like the way he drives.He killed a man once while driving.He drives recklessly."
"Who is going to pay for the operation?"I asked.
"My son who lives in in New York sent the money.My son is a gift from God."
"Wasn't Juan Diaz the fighter born here?,' I asked.
"His family moved to the United States when he was a little boy. We never see them anymore."
I knew that Cecy could have spent all day talking.I went back to the car.
"Cecy,we have to go,"said my wife.
"Maria Luisa,you want something to drink?"
"No.We are fine."
"Emilio distilled some mezcal,"said Cecy."It might be his last.i don't think those doctors in Sahuayo are very good. We don't have enough money to send him to the doctor Guadalajara."
"Well,"said my wife,"If you have any extra,that would be fine."

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Sideburns

There are no more boxing arenas in San Diego. There's practically no more boxing in San Diego.Bobby DiFilippis was putting on a show at the 4 Points Sheraton,but I haven't seen anything on that lately.When boxing was in it's Golden Era in the Southland,San Diego 's boxing venues were scattered around town at the Recreation Centers,The El Cortez Hotel,The Community Concourse,The Spreckels Theater,old Lane Field(the home of the minor league Padres),and of course the intimate little Coliseum which is now a face of skid row , is dark ,and a storage facility for furniture.Ali fought Norton at the San Diego Sports Arena.I saw Matthew Saad Muhammad put his title on the line there once also.But there's no action in town anymore. Hell,a lot of the local talent has to go to Tijuana and fight in cramped dungy bars to get something in their record book.Mixed Martial Arts is what the kids follow.Let's face it,Floyd Mayweather dominated boxing for some time ,but you could garner his fireworks in the ring and it wouldn't light a candle.

I miss the old days. I know I sound a little melancholy. My father said he missed the old days too.His days were Marciano and Pep.Being a Dago growing up in the Southwest Side of Chicago,he couldn't force himself to add Robinson or Louis to his honor role.Now I have my Oldies But Goodies list too. The memories of the Indian Red and little brother Danny.Hedgemon Lewis,the Quarrys,and the breadth of all the Chicano and Mexican fighters that traversed up and down California and Mexico and gave the fans their money's worth.I'm especially fond of the boys who were identified as having their base of operations in San Diego.When matchmaker Mickey Davies could pick up the phone and bring in gamers like Ronnie Wilson,Art Hafey,David Love,Renato Garcia,Big Jack O'Halloran,and of course Kenny Norton I felt safe in my seat that I wouldn't be chased out of there by boredom. Norton moved away after the first Ali bout and never came back.But here's a guy I always liked to satisfied my appetite for fisticuffs. He brought everything he could muster to the canvas even though on a skill level he didn't have the goods to be a contender.The name is Marcos Geraldo. He was tough. He was strong.And if some up and coming flash took him with a grain of salt,Marcos would take Mr. Overconfidence into the late rounds and give him a drubbing.He practiced his trade at the Silver Slipper in Las Vegas( The Slipper was always a good place to make grand or two).Tijuana,where Marcos now calls home,was another of his stomping grounds where he stomped some heads,had him in many of the main events at fighting landmarks like the Municiple Auditorium,the Arena 72,and the downtown bullring.His bread butter was also earned in San Diego at The Old Coliseum.

He fought Love and Garcia at The Coliseum in San Diego. He also revved it up against Hagler,Hearns,Virgil Hill,and Ray Leonard in bigger arenas. It was Sugar Ray's first venture to the middleweight strata. It was supposed to be a test,sort of a workout. After the fight Ray panted that Marcos was one of the strongest dudes he ever had to do battle with.

After over a hundred fights and memories that distance fighters like him from the acolytes,Marcos Geraldo is involved with promotions and handling fighters in Tijuana.Before he threw in the towel he got in a fix with the commission down there because he put himself up for a "fix".Maybe some Narco got confused and bet the wrong way.A funny fight in Mexico. That's no rarity. Anyway, Marcos is on good terms with the powers that be in TJ.His son was an undefeated light heavy.He promotes a lot of the cards down there.Tijuana is still pretty lively with boxing. Not like here in San Diego. And Los Angeles?For the second largest city they'll put a big fight once in awhile in the Staple Center or out in Carson.but no weekly action that I was accustomed to at the Olympic Auditorium.

But I better not forget to mention something else about Marcos Geraldo or I'll have to change the title of this piece.His sideburns. He had these muttonchop sideburns.Every time I think of him I see those sideburns.I haven't seen him for awhile,but if I had to bet one way or another,I'd say he's still got em'.




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Dude, I remember Marco Geraldo well. It's funny what I recall cuz I saw him live at the old Chicago Amphitheatre and the huge to do they made about him. I took in the fights that night because I knew someone on the undercard and wanted to offer my support. Well when the main event was beginning I said to whom I was with that this Geraldo is a real stayer. That he had gone the distance with Hagler, Sugar Ray leonard and Armando Muniz. And it was downright embarrassing when they brought in a Mariachi band to serenade him during instructions. Of course they didn't explain to Caveman Lee in the other corner that this was supposed to be a coming out party for Geraldo for his Chicago Mexican fans. Oh, man, Lee blows him away in one round, practically before the Mariachi's have time to put down their marachas. Funny thing about Geraldo, he must've just been a slow starter because he has 8 first round KO losses on his record. The things one remembers.
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scartissue wrote:Dude, I remember Marco Geraldo well. It's funny what I recall cuz I saw him live at the old Chicago Amphitheatre and the huge to do they made about him. I took in the fights that night because I knew someone on the undercard and wanted to offer my support. Well when the main event was beginning I said to whom I was with that this Geraldo is a real stayer. That he had gone the distance with Hagler, Sugar Ray leonard and Armando Muniz. And it was downright embarrassing when they brought in a Mariachi band to serenade him during instructions. Of course they didn't explain to Caveman Lee in the other corner that this was supposed to be a coming out party for Geraldo for his Chicago Mexican fans. Oh, man, Lee blows him away in one round, practically before the Mariachi's have time to put down their marachas. Funny thing about Geraldo, he must've just been a slow starter because he has 8 first round KO losses on his record. The things one remembers.
Dan,I don't know if Geraldo could have put up a decent showing against Lee,but he did get in trouble in Mexico for not fighting on the up and up.That may have been what happened in Chicago.I saw Jimmy Young(at the start of his career)coast the last 5 rounds of a six rounder after he had one of our local charges on the deck twice in the first round.I think that isn't thought of often when commenting on these threads. How many of these fights weren't on the level?Hey,if you're going to go in the tank,do it in the first round.Why take a beating? Our friend Brian Higgins once remarked that he couldn't believe a fighter of the quality of a Fritzie Zivic could have lost over 60 fights.He took those fights to the grave with him. My next story is going to be a retake on the time my dad took me to see Charley Johnston and Doc Kearns down at The Sport Palace which was operated by Charley's brother Bob.Bob also owned the last burlesque house(which was next door to his bar),The Hollywood Theater.Charley and Doc also handled Archie Moore at the time. Gamblers,bookies,mob guys-they controlled boxing then and they work it today.Archie Moore was quoted as saying"If you gave 500 pounds of steel wool to Doc Kearns he could knit you a sweater."Damon Runyan couldn't have said it better.And Doc sure had a lot to say about Dempsey even though they had a falling out years ago.
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I have read that Fritzie Zivic lost bouts in order to set up rematches. I don't if that is true.

From the middle 1910s to the middle 1940s in San Diego, there was at least one boxing club staging boxing shows on a weekly basis, even before the Coliseum came into being during the middle 1920s.

During his pre-Jack Dempsey days, Doc Kearns managed Red Watson, a San Diego fighter, and Fighting Billy Murray, another California fighter, for a time. In 1915, Kearns took a stable of four fighters, including Watson and Murray, to Australia. While "Down Under," Murray had a number of bouts with none other than Les Darcy.

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I would just like to point out that not all of the facts stated above about Murphys Boxing Gym are accurate. These people are my family. I grew up in that gym. I was there every day. I knew Gilbert Baptist as well as Orlin and Terry Norris and they were always very respectful of the owners of the gym. They loved their son very much and it was tragic how he did, however his brain injury was not caused from a fight. Just to set the record straight.
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Irishmurphy wrote:I would just like to point out that not all of the facts stated above about Murphys Boxing Gym are accurate. These people are my family. I grew up in that gym. I was there every day. I knew Gilbert Baptist as well as Orlin and Terry Norris and they were always very respectful of the owners of the gym. They loved their son very much and it was tragic how he did, however his brain injury was not caused from a fight. Just to set the record straight.
Irishmurphy, just curious as to what post you are responding to? Page number...
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What Was Up With Doc

If you've been following along with me the past few years you know about the time my dad took me to the Sports Palace inside the back room and there was Doc Kearns and Charley Johnston and then later walked in his brother Bob.Bob was the owner of the bar.He also owned the Hollywood Theater next door,the last burly house in the U.S.As you walked inside there were the enlarged photographs of Rocky Marciano sharing a laugh with Dwight Eisenhower and the picture Jim Londos in his wrestling togs,the Greek Adonis .And in the corner the upright piano for anyone who knew a Gershwin tune.The establishments were located on lower Market Street in San Diego. The neighborhood had seen better days.So had the Hollywood Theater and the Sports Palace. The skid row denizens were now the customers.Things would be coming to an end in the next few years for everything.It was the late 1950's.

Why my dad had that yen to go to the Sports Palace I can only imagine he wanted to see a carbon copy of himself. Not the bums on the street,but Kearns and the Johnstons who were a throwback to" his" era.Yeah, Doc went on about how he used to load up Dempsey's gloves.It culminated with the Firpo fight,but Doc had Dempsey plastered up as he was building his reputation way out west in places like Spokane,Aberdeen ,and Bum F--k,USA.The rubes are unaware of the shenanigans of a character like Doc Kearns in those burgs.Like taking candy from a baby.

When I went with my dad that time I didn't really know much what was going on. My world was Little League Baseball and the Mickey Mouse Club. My dad was raised on the Southwest Side of Chicago.His dad was Diamond Joe who got bumped off by the mob.My dad then went to live with Al Capone.Later during the big war,my dad was enduring incoming on Pelilieu and Okinawa.Charley Johnston and Kearns were handling Archie Moore.Doc could claim the Manassa Mauler ,The Toy Bulldog,and Joey Maxim to add to his list of champions.Those fellows in that back room had definitely been around the block.I was still playing with blocks.

So I'm not understanding what everyone's talking about really. I don't remember all the details.It was over my head. I kept pretty much quiet. In fact when I was with my dad around guys like that I didn't want to talk.When mob guys like Jackie Cerone and Frank LaPorte would fly out from Chicago to talk to my dad I knew it was my cue to play in my room or turn on The Mickey Mouse Club.

But I've always been fascinated studying people,and that's what I got out the most inside that back room at the sports Palace. When I saw Doc Kearns ,the first thing that struck me was his face.The skin sagged.The jowls,the bloodshot eyes,the tobacco stained teeth.Everytime I saw someone in that condition I wondered how they could be happy.With your best health a thing of the past,wasn't life a chore?But I soon began to realize that guys like Kearns,the Johnstons, and my dad may have lived their lives full measure,but they still considered themselves vital. The present was in their grasps and they were not about to stub their toes moving ahead.They thought they would live forever. They had no regrets. They never said they were sorry. They were all confidence. What they had lived circumvented right and wrong. It was their way,the way that they had lived that was real and true.Forget the wrinkles.They had life by the balls.

That's what impressed me about a Doc Kearns and my old man.They never had time to be depressed. They were always moving on to some new enterprise. It was their way which was the only way.Today, I'm in the last stages.What I can put in my resume is quite uneventful compared to those fellows in that back room 60 years ago.But maybe the merit shouldn't be judged on the weight of experiences,but on judgement.Still,I can't come up with much when I try to go to sleep at night.

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Well i don't know to much about Lobito montoya I was way to young, as a matter of a fact i wasn't even born in those times but My grandfather was the one who made that man whom he was. My grandfather trained him back in the 60's. All i know is that my grandfather, Jose Vasquez from Tijuana, BC was the man who taught him how to bob and weave. I have official News articles from the 60's when he had first sold himself to the American woman who bought him off my grandfather. So Lobito was created by my grand daddy. Congrats to that Boxer Raul (lobito) Montoya 1965 Jose Vasquez entrenador. MI ABUELO :bag: :box: :TU: :box: :geek: :bow: :stop: :wave: :yay: :D :salut: :clap: :TU:
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Arianavasquez wrote: Well i don't know to much about Lobito montoya I was way to young, as a matter of a fact i wasn't even born in those times but My grandfather was the one who made that man whom he was. My grandfather trained him back in the 60's. All i know is that my grandfather, Jose Vasquez from Tijuana, BC was the man who taught him how to bob and weave. I have official News articles from the 60's when he had first sold himself to the American woman who bought him off my grandfather. So Lobito was created by my grand daddy. Congrats to that Boxer Raul (lobito) Montoya 1965 Jose Vasquez entrenador. MI ABUELO :bag: :box: :TU: :box: :geek: :bow: :stop: :wave: :yay: :D :salut: :clap: :TU:


Ariana, what I remember most about Lobito Montoya was his jaw. Definitely one of the great chins in boxing. To my knowledge he was only down once in his career - in the 1st round by Dwight Hawkins - and was the staple for every top contender to go through if you were planning on making it. His record is littered with losses to all the top contenders, but they would always go the distance.
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Arianavasquez wrote: Well i don't know to much about Lobito montoya I was way to young, as a matter of a fact i wasn't even born in those times but My grandfather was the one who made that man whom he was. My grandfather trained him back in the 60's. All i know is that my grandfather, Jose Vasquez from Tijuana, BC was the man who taught him how to bob and weave. I have official News articles from the 60's when he had first sold himself to the American woman who bought him off my grandfather. So Lobito was created by my grand daddy. Congrats to that Boxer Raul (lobito) Montoya 1965 Jose Vasquez entrenador. MI ABUELO :bag: :box: :TU: :box: :geek: :bow: :stop: :wave: :yay: :D :salut: :clap: :TU:



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The Law West Of The Pecos And Much Farther

That's what was painted on Judge Roy Bean's shingle that hung down in front of his saloon,gambling parlor,and courthouse all rolled into one location in Val Verde County,Texas. That was a time and place were the American frontier was settling down to its last sundown.But the names of the legends of the frontier were still fresh in townfolks' minds.Billy the Kid,Wild Bill Hickcock,and John Wesley Hardin became a part of the American folklore that transcended the world. Their exploits were mostly the exaggerations of the dime novelists who knew that by stretching the truth a bit would sell more copies to the rubes back East.Hemingway said "a liar can write more convincingly than someone who was there."Isn't that what Hollywood is all about?I'm as much of a cowboy as Clint Eastwood.

John Wayne met Wyatt Earp on the set of one of those B westerns Wayne starring in at Republic Pictures. After taking in the ambience of the ex gunslinger,Wayne said he tried to pattern himself after Earp.John Wayne,in ALL his movies was playing Wyatt Earp.Hugh O'Brian echoed the same thing. When talking to Stuart N. Lake,at that time Earp's most famous biographer,O'Brian wanted to come across on the screen like the real Wyatt Earp,at least in O'Brian's mind.

Right across the border down Mexico way from Bean's little town of Langtry was the a heavyweight fight pitting two of the more formidable opponents of the era,Bob Fitzsimmons and Peter Maher.They squared off outside beside the boulders and the hills inside a ring composed of rocks and dirt.Fitz took Maher out in less than a frame.But there was another lawman who crossed through that neck of the woods around that time.A bigger name than Bean's,and that was the aforementioned legend of the Wild West,Wyatt Earp.

Actually,Earp didn't spend many years wearing a badge.In short time he was enforcing the law in Wichita,Dodge City,and Tombstone,his principle interests were in protecting his shares in the saloons,whoehouses,and his favorite pastime,betting in the gambling parlors.He put his money in some worthless mines.Earp wasn't what you'd call a nine to five guy.To hear the stories of the dime novelists,watching the TV and see Hugh O'Brian blast away,and to catch all the Hollywood flicks about Earp,you'd think he filled Boot Hill al by himself.The only man who Earp sent to that graveyard in a box was a drunken cowpuncher who rode into Dodge on his horse "hurrahin' " the town. While the cowboy was shootin' his pistol in the air.Wyatt dropped him with his six gun.The poor chap's wound got the gangrene and he died a month later.

Casey Tefertiller,Earp's most accurate biographer,dug through mountains of research and said that Earp would rather settle matters with his fists when he had to intervene delicate situation.Sometimes he'd pull out his revolver and "brain" the "rowdy" ,but his method of dispatch was using his fists. He liked to fight(so those citizens of Dodge said)and he was good at it.(Echoed again by the citizenry).A side note. Earp never had that Buntline Special with him while he was sheriffin'.Ned Buntline, many years later, personally crafted that gun for Earp and gave it to him as a gift. Earp hung it up on his wall.

Every good guy or bad "hombre" that ever came across Earp's path said that he was a man of few words and didn't hesitate to square matters.The townspeople urged Earp to put on a badge and settle the peace.The outlaws wanted him dead. At the start of the Gunfight of the OK Corral,Earp got off the first shot at the Clanton gang putting a slug into Frank McLaury's gut. McLaury was the best gunfighter on the Clanton's side so Wyatt aimed at him first.With all the shootin' Earp was partaking in his lifetime, he never sampled any lead.After the OK Corral faceoff,Morgan Earp was assassinated in a pool hall in Tombstone.Alone, Wyatt Earp stalked the killers,showed them no mercy,and riddled their bodies with shotgun blasts.

After Tombstone,Earp and his wife Josie,roamed the West looking for that "lucky strike".Alaska,San Francisco,and even my burg,San Diego was places were Earp invested unwisely and through away most of his money at the track or the gambling parlors.But occasionally Earp was propositioned to referee a fight or two.One of his most infamous stints a a ref was the first Bob Fitzsimmons/Tom Sharkey encounter in San Francisco.

Now reffin' a prize fight was a good way Earp thought to make some money on the "side",especially if it was his"side" of the wager.Fitzsimmons was the betting favorite and the better fighter.Going into the 8th round it's looking like Ruby Robert is going to put Sharkey away. Then Bob throws his patented "solar plexus" punch to put the sailor out of his misery.The ringsiders see the punch as being legal,but Tom is rolling around on the mat like he's been gored by a bull. Earp quickly steps in front of the Englishman and pronounces the groaning Sharkey the winner on a DQ.There's an uproar from the audience,not to mention a protest by Fitz, Purses are withheld.There's an inquest.In the meantime,after a long delay before the reporters are let inside Sharkey's dressing room,Tom,with his doctor by his side, finally exposes his black and blue groin to the scribes.At the hearing Fitzsimmons people claim the doc stuck a needle full of saline into Tom's crotch. Maybe the Doctor just told him to bite on the towel and I'll kick you in the nuts.One witness at the fight heard Earp tell Sharkey to fall to the mat if he was struck low."I'll take care of things,"allegedly said Earp To Sharkey.

Of course Earp wouldn't budge on his recollection. He saw the low blow.He was just being an honest lawman.The only thing they had on Earp was that he tried to bring a concealed weapon inside the ring.He coughed up 50 bucks for that trickery.He told the court that he was afraid the bookies were going to shoot him.

Maybe looking back on it all,Earp might have struck gold if he had fought professionally. It might have been a whole lot less risky than trying subdue a bunch of drunken pistol packin' cowboys with you fists.No Marquis of Queensberry Rules there.
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80 Proof Sweat

I heard Denny Moyer say once that if he didn't show up in the gym for two weeks that he'd lose his edge.When I heard him remark this he'd had well over a hundred fights. He was fighting a lot in San Diego at the end.Sid Flaherty was still his manager.Moyer, was sent down to San Diego,by Flaherty, to keep an eye on Ronnie Wilson,a local favorite who fought lightheavy.But both boys liked to pass as much time quenching their thirsts in their favorite watering holes as they spent working in the gym.Archie Moore said that old fighters" get lazy". He figured an experienced fighter could succeed with his wits at the expense of running an extra mile or two in the morning.

Moyer was fighting, by that time, for a payday.I'd see him at the gym wearing an old sweatshirt over two or three shirts.He would shadow box, skip rope,hit the bags,and then spar.He sparred a lot with Ronnie Wilson.Danny Rodriguez,his trainer, would lean over the ropes and eye things.I never heard much chatter from Rodriguez.I don't think Danny could tell him anymore about boxing that Denny already knew.Moyer would sure sweat a lot. I'd always think of all that poison he was exuding through his pores from the night before.Sometimes I'd try to stand close to him when he was exercising because I was sure I would smell the last night's alcohol that saturated his clothes.Never did.

By that time Moyer had forgotten more about boxing than most fighters would acquire through their lifetimes.Moyer was a pure boxer. He had to rely on skills.He didn't have that knockout punch that would intimidate most fighters. I don't think any of his opponents feared him as much as how they were going to deal with guile.

During the late 50's and mid 60's Denny fought them all--Ray Robinson,Gaspar Ortega,Emile Griffith,Joey Giambra,Ralph Dupas,Virgil Atkins,Joey Archer,Benny "the Kid" Paret,and Luis Rodriguez. He said his knockout loss to Rodriguez set him back. After that,he was kind of relegated as a stepping stone.He lost to an undeafeated Benvenuti in Italy and fought Monzon overseas losing again,but showing for awhile a little lightning in the bottle.Along the way Moyer did win a NABF Middle Title. He had a string of victories up to that time,but fell short when he was then paired with Monzon.Later he lost that NABF belt to Art Hernandez.That's when he showed up in San Diego.

Denny and Ronnie were two of the nicest guys you'd ever want meet when they weren't indulging,but when they got together and had had a few ,they looked to see who wanted to knock the chips off their shoulders.I deferred when they got like that so they left me alone.I was OK within their ambience.

Denny had a last shot at being a contender against Vito Antefuermo in New York. I saw Denny's last fight in San Diego at the old Coliseum against Vicente Garcia. Denny knew how to eke out money at the end. He'd fight every two or three weeks. He was a globetrotter fighting in places like Austria and New Zealand mixed in with fights in Sonora,Mexico and one of his favorite haunts,The Silver Slipper in Vegas."I'm always good for a couple of grand at the Slipper",the crafty veteran would say.

Rocky DiFazio was a good lookin' Italian kid who was beating" so so" guys out West where Moyer was winding down his career. I guess the Wise Guys thought they'd bring Rocky back to his hometown of Chicago and use Denny as one of those stones you step on.A rock is bigger than a stone.Right? Didn't happen that way.Rocky was stoned into submission in ten. Two bouts later in 1975 Moyer threw in the towel.

Denny was from a family of fighters in Portland,Oregon. I once asked a another" Portlander", who I used to workout with in the gym and an amateur fighter who was friends with the "Fighting Moyers", why so many fighters came out of a small burg like Portland.He said there was "nothing to do there so you learned how to fight."All said with a laugh." Denny died in a sanitarium in his hometown of Portland in 2010. They say he didn't even recognize his wife.

Fighting in San Diego during those days was very entertaining. The weekly card offered plenty of crowd pleasers for the fan. San Diego was a place for the" up and comer" to build up his record and then go on to bigger and better things(Kenny Norton never fought again in San Diego after he beat Ali and Archie Moore never put on the gloves here after beating Maxim to finally win a world title),or for the veteran on the downward side of a long career.But there were some boys that made a trade in San Diego. Never really going up that far to crack into the rankings,they held our interest whole heartedly.They were read and butter lunch pail pugs.Gave it their best that kept the fans on the edge of their seats,often made the crazy "bugs" stand up and roar.

A few posts back I saw that Lobito Montoya's grand daughter gave tribute to her "abuelito".Lobito was one of those Southland mainstays.Always could count on him to fill a card.I'll always remember the big"Lobito" he had engraved on his trunks.I'll also always remember his "heart".Not a champion,but he had the heart of one.In retrospect that's more important.Denny,Ronnie,Kenny.All the others who turned on the electricity at the old Coliseum. "Spud" Murphy(may he rest in peace),David Love,Art Hafey.Big Jack O'Halloran,Ski Goldstein,Jimmy Rosette,Roy DiFilippis,Renato Garcia,Petey Vital,Jimmie Fields,Amado Vasquez,Hildo Silva---I grew up with you guys at that little stucco arena.It's dark and boarded up now , empty inside except for the cockroaches and the mice. Planning to tear it down and make condos.That's the 21st century for you.No money in keeping it lit up for boxing.I wonder what the cockroaches and the mice would say about that.

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Letting Go Of The Rope

I'm glad I was never interested in owning a bar.Putting up with all the belligerence--loud mouths,fights,minors wanting to get served,lowlifes snorting lines in the bathroom.I remember one late night around closing time at Champs when the night bartender had to 86 some fool from the premises because he wouldn't keep his hands off some gal. Early that morning I heard the sirens of the fire trucks.Champs got torched sometime after closing.A can of gasoline with its contents spilled under the door and then a match.It was six months before Burke Emery could reopen the place.And if you're going to run a tight ship,don't be giving away drinks on the house and you best be advised to stay sober in your own joint.You can keep an eye on things better when you haven't been drinking with your clientele.

Now I've spent my share of time guzzling booze and acting like a horses ass in plenty of tap rooms.When the barmaid announced "last call",I wish I had a dollar for everytime I said that she was the most beautiful girl in the world and that I had fallen in love with her.I'm sure every gal who worked behind the bar would also savor a buck for every drunk that blubbered out those infamous words,"I love you."But I was never a "good drunk" anyway.My wife worried more about me when I was drinking than when I'd carouse around with the softer sex. Often that went hand in hand.It took a snout full to work up my courage.Now,about the only time I venture inside a watering hole is to have Ed, the bartender at Champs, draw me a draft and I catch up on the latest reports.I'll catch him when he opens up in the morning.Hight time boozing is off limits.

Ed was counting his drawer when I plopped down on the barstool at the end of the bar. He grabbed a glass and tilted it under the spigot.
"I was trying to think of that heavyweight that came up in the 60's.He was Italian.Fought a couple of draws with Quarry,"said Ed as he put a nice head on my beer.
"You mean Tony Alongi?"
"That's the guy.Didn't Marciano work with him?"
"Charlie Goldman trained him."
"He was going pretty good and then he got knocked out by Billy Joiner."
"I think it was Billy Daniels who stopped him."
"He was tall and had a long reach,"said Ed as leaned over on the bar.
"He was a little gangly.Couldn't put it together,gather himself together,"I said.
"If he couldn't get by Billy Daniels,he would have never beaten Ali."
"That's when Ali was in his prime."
"It's good he got out when he did,"said Ed."I hear he settled down with his family."
"He was having some physical problems,but you're right. It's good he got out when he did."
Ed propped up a case of beer and began putting the bottles in the cooler that was next to him.
"Maybe when he saw that he'd never get past Ali he just let go of the rope,"said Ed.
"Once you do that you can never get it back again."
"I remember they asked Arnold Palmer once why he lost his edge.Remember it was him and Nicklaus who were going back and forth battling for who was the best."
"What did he say?"
"Well, Palmer said one time when he was in a tournament he just didn't want to compete anymore.It was too much of a mental strain. He let go of the rope."
"I remember that happened to Andy Heilman,"I said."He was fighting Ronnie Wilson and winning when he decided that he just didn't want to fight anymore.He quit on his stool and never fought again."
"What do you think makes somebody do that?"asked Ed.
"They just can't take it anymore."
"I know a lot of ex pugs who worry about getting the dementia."
"When you start getting it you're unaware you have it .Then It's too late."
"You wind up like Burke,"said Ed.
"It ain't worth it."
"It's better to just let go of the rope." Ed looked at my glass."Want another draft?"

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It's A Wonderful Lie

You think back on things sometimes and you figure your memory has got it right still.I bumped into Joe Louis once in Las Vegas.He was a "greeter."I was sure it was the Thunderbird Hotel,but after reading that Joe Louis was working out front at Caesar's Palace,I stood corrected.I guess the mind gets that way of blurring the past sometimes.Thinking about it now,I've never been to the Thunderbird Hotel and wouldn't know how to get to it if I had to.Besides, they probably tore it down a long time ago to make way for one of those more luxurious hotels they have today on the Strip.

Anyway, it had to have been on the steps of Caesar's Palace where I met the great Joe Louis.It was sometime in the mid 70's. Me and the wife were staying at the Dunes.One evening we walked up the Strip to navigate through some of the other casinos and after strolling by those fountains(of course it had to be Caesar's Palace) there standing on the steps in front of the door was Joe Louis welcoming visitors.He was wearing a blazer,shirt open at the front, and I remember the cowboy hat.It was unexpected,but seeing Joe Louis in person was going to make my night. When I said to my wife that I wanted to shake hands with the man,she asked who he was.Of course she had never heard of Joe Louis,but I was going to stray my attention from her to say a few words to the sports' legend.

As I was approaching the stairs, I rapidly thought of what I knew of the man.The thing that always stuck in my mind was the problems he had with the IRs after he finally couldn't compete any longer.Joe Louis was surrounded by a lot of characters who took advantage of him so they could line their pockets.After seeing they couldn't make any money with him as a fighter,they still wanted to get his money.The great Joe Louis was humiliated to take up wrestling to try make a buck. Then he would give his money away to people he thought needed a hand,and there were a lot of those types around him. I used to work with an old timer from Alabama who told me that when Joe Louis was the champ,he helped out, financially, the owner and his wife who had the farm where Louis's family sharecropped. Joe said that the owner and his wife had treated his family kindly so he thought that he could return some gratitude during those Depression years.

Sinatra ,after breaking away from Tommy Dorsey,asked Joe if he'd appear with him at a concert to help jump start his career. Frank offered Louis ten grand of the proceeds. Joe said he'd do it for nuthin'.

My dad,when he worked for the Mob controlled Meadowmoor Dairy,(at that time the diary was trying to market a soft drink with Louis's name on it,"Joe Louis Punch") told me that Joe Louis would always be tapped on the shoulder to lend someone a sawbuck or two.Joe rarely got reimbursed.Later on when Joe was down on his luck and sick,people came to his aid. Sinatra was gettting a stipend from Anheiser Busch which Frank was funneling into Joe's bank account. And Ash Resnick.who operated Caesar's,set up Joe as the as a greeter at the hotel. Let's face it,Joe Louis probably never had to pick up a tab near the end.Sinatra paid for his heart surgeries.He was at a lot of the big fights.His last wife,who was a lawyer,straightened a lot of the mess Joe had with the Feds.But by the time Joe was incapacitated ,he was a living legend. No entity dared to get anything out of him again.


When I was coaching football at Point Loma High School in San Diego,I coached one of Louis's sons from his last marriage.His name was John.I thought he was adopted,but I might be wrong about that.Sometimes I would mention Joe Louis to his son(Louis had died by that time).The boy didn't seem to have much of a frame of reference about his dad.

As a kid I remember hearing Joe being referred to as "Old Joe Louis."He had aged rapidly after the war. The balding hairline.The sagging skin.He had slowed down to a snail's pace,His timing ,the snap he had with his punches and withered away. He said the last time he felt like he still had the goods was the Mauriello fight.

His detractors said he built his reputation on the bones of old washed up champs.That he fought a" bum of a month club."Today,he's not mentioned as much as the beat heavyweight of all time. Louis had trouble with good boxers. Tommy Farr was in no trouble with Joe. Conn thought he could finish off Louis in the 13th round of their first fight.Ezzaed Charles walked away with a one sided decision.(Even in his prime I don't think Louis could have ever beaten Charles).And then came Ali to make comparisions.Before the forced retirement.Ali would have danced circles around Louis.Ali could never fathom how some of the critics could have thought that a shuffling along Louis could have coped with all that speed and quickness .

So when I reached the top of the stairs I was face to face with the great Joe Louis,a man who advanced civil rights,unintentionally,as much as Martin Luther King.(Joe won over a lot of racist guys from the South by the way he conducted himself ) .But it was a old and tired Joe Louis I saw.A man who showed his long storied past on his face.The hands shook.The eyelids drooped.His voice was slow.His pleasentness and smile ,however, negated the tragic.He extended his hand.The grip was strong still.
"How ya' doin?",he asked very beautifully.
It was like time had stood still. I can't remember too much of what passed,what I said. My wife was standing behind me.But I do remember this though. My mind will never get blurry about this moment.Joe Louis asked me who he thought was the best heavyweight out there.
"Muhammad Ali,"I answered thinking I had played it safe.Then he posed another question.
"Do you think Ali could have beat me?"asked Joe Louis.
Without a pause.
"Joe, you would kick his ass."

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Damn it, Rog, it's something you do with words that invoke imagery. Your last two posts had me sitting there at the bar with you and Ed at Champs and on the steps of Caesar's with you and Joe. You paint with text as well as with water colors.
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scartissue wrote:Damn it, Rog, it's something you do with words that invoke imagery. Your last two posts had me sitting there at the bar with you and Ed at Champs and on the steps of Caesar's with you and Joe. You paint with text as well as with water colors.

Thanks Dan.You mention Joe Louis to someone who is 40 years of age and they never heard of him. Even black people who weren't around when he was alive often don't have the foggiest. I experienced the same thing when I was teaching school in the Mexican neighborhoods near the border. I'd ask the boys if they knew of Mantequilla Napoles or Ruben Olivares. Those guys might have just as well lived on Mars. :verysad:
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Geppetto's Son


My father was a Moose--that is my father was a member in good standing with Moose Lodge Number 3,Chicago chapter. Out here in California I became a Moose too.When going through the screening process,I told these gentlemen that my dad was a member of Lodge 3 in Chicago. It was like I was a descendant of royalty. I think the chapter's number I joined in Ocean Beach was something like 2000 and change. Anyway I didn't frequent the lodge that much.If it wasn't for the bar,I don't think any of those old bigots would have joined up. They used to like to boast that there weren't any "n=====s" that were Mooses.I don't know if that was true. I never asked my dad about that. To enter the lodge you had to climb steep stairs. When most of those old guys got so crippled up with arthritis that they couldn't surmount to get to the bar,they put a padlock on the door.

My dad told me a story one time about how,back at Lodge 3 in Chicago,he coaxed Rocky Marciano to make an appearance.My father,being an Outfit guy, had some clout to bring Rocky over to talk to all the Mooses. Besides,being "paisan,",provided a little juice,not to mention, the Mob and Rocky were good "goombas."

My dad said, though, that Rocky wanted some dough up front before he'd give his talk. This was shortly after Rocky had gotten tired of training and Al Weill stealing his money(according to Rocky)and was through with the sport.I'm sure if Rocky had been invited to speak to Tony Accardo and his crew,the champ wouldn't have given it a second thought about comping his speech.But since this was an event where he had to orate before a bunch of white guys,he wanted some kickback.Good thing my Neopoltan father was a member in good standing.My father told the Rock that he'd be financially compensated. But as standard procedure Rocky wanted hard cash,no checks.My dad said the hat was passed around then Rocky spoke his words.

My dad didn't tell me how much money was in the fedora or what Rocky had to say. I don't think my dad remembered,but after the presentation was over everybody left the hall fulfilled and satisfied.Rocky got his dough and the grateful Mooses got to see the great Marciano in the flesh.

Rocky was a popular champ. He followed the great Joe Louis and handled himself in public like Joe.Rocky was a man's man.He praised his opponents and supported his family and helped his friends.But underneath that veneer was a guy who was a puzzlement. I heard his brother Peter say once that even the family didn't know what Rocky wanted in life.Rocky was never home much. He was in with the Mob. He had plenty of women on the side and was always on the "go" speaking at banquets and being interviewed. If nothing else,the Wise Guys would always take care of him. He was frugal with money(to put it nicely).He didn't want to work for anybody. He scratched out a living talking to fans who lived their lives through a heavyweight champion.

After his retriement,Rocky had a TV show that would show replays of fights round by round.Sometimes he'd have another fighter with him when he did his shows.(I remember one show when Joe Walcott was the guest).Rocky would do commentary of the fights as they progressed.He made it seem like the fights were "live."The one I remember the most was his second fight with Ezzard Charles.When was it,the 7th round when Charles's elbow split open Rocky's side of his nose? I was cracking up about Rocky's verbalizations.
" Berl comes over to my corner and tells Al Weill that he can give me one more round,but then he's gonna' haft to stop it."( in so many words)
Rocky gets off his stool at the bell.
"Look what they stuck in my nose. Weill crammed gauze in my nose. I look like Pinocchio!! I gotta get this guy outta there. I look ridiculous!"
As Rocky put the pressure on throwing everything he has at Charles.
"I gotta' finish Charles off NOW!.I'm hitting him anywhere I can .What's keeping him up?If he lasts the round I lose the title."
Ol' Ezzard ,who was way behind in the fight,finally collapses from the onslaught.I think it was a blow on the top of the head that finally crushed him.

Watching film of many of Rocky's KO's, I like the expressions on the faces of the fallen.Looking up from the canvas they have this look like"What the hell happened?This guy never lets his foot off the gas.I hit him with everyting I got,but he keeps coming in."

Yeah,that's how we remember how Rocky fought in the ring.Sometimes he'd be bleeding and hurt,but that always made him fight harder. He never took a round off.After dying in that small plane that crashed, a lot of Italians cooked spaghetti that night.You gonna' try to tell me that they don't think he was the best heavyweight that ever lived?


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Tonight, I had the pleasure to talk to Quinn Chavez, the grandson of a Southern California-based fighter named Tony Chavez, who had a total of 146 known bouts during a career which spanned from the early 1930s to the late 1940s. Tony had quite a number of main events, notably at the Hollywood Legion Stadium and the Olympic Auditorium. In addition, he had three bouts with Henry Armstrong, winning the first one by a disqualification before getting stopped twice by him. I believe that you will find Tony's record on BoxRec of interest.

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In Search Of Something

Last year at the inaugural of the West Coast Boxing Hall of Fame held in Los Angeles,my wife and I made the trek up from San Diego to attend.The festivities were held at Vitellos Restaurant in Tujunga Canyon.That's the eatery where Robert Blake was accused of killing his wife in the parking lot.Rick Farris told me after the dust cleared that Vitellos asked Blake to take his business somewhere else. Rick and Dan Hanley put on a great show ,and as usual at similar events, there were plenty of former boxing personalities that circulated the banquet hall.On the list of one of the first inductees was Jimmy Lennon Jr. His late father Jimmy Sr. was also to be honored. I was standing up next to my table when I saw Jimmy Lennon Jr. enter the banquet room.All of a sudden he stopped when came beside me. I looked at him, and then he put his arms around me.
"Where have you been ?"he asked with a big smile."It's been a long time."
I was taken aback.I'd never met the man in my life.
"Oh,I've been around," was my forced reply.
Jimmy kept smiling at me maybe thinking I'd embellish my response,but I was too embarrassed thinking that he had me confused with someone else.I just smiled back.Jimmy,perhaps sensing his error, excused himself at seated himself at his inductee table.I sat back down again next to my wife. I felt a little flattered.Maybe he thought I was an ex fighter or maybe a manger or trainer.I wanted my guesses to be positive. In the end I just chalked it up that to the probability "that I have one of those types of faces."

Also on the dais that day to be inducted was the great Danny "Little Red" Lopez.At his table I saw the actor Ryan O Neal.Rick Farris,president of West Coast Boxing, was gracious enough to invite O Neal to the ceremony and O Neal was equally kind to introduce "Little Red" to the fans.Before Danny got up to make his acceptance speech,I heard his wife Bonny say,"Now don't keep touching you glasses."Her protectiveness of her husband,who's beginning to show signs of wear,touched me.As O Neal was finishing with his accolades of "Little Red",he introduced older brother Ernie" Indian Red" Lopez's son Lance to the audience.For me this was also very poignant. It was also somewhat ironic. O Neal was managing Hedgemon Lewis at the time and the trilogy of fights between Lewis and "Indian Red" for welterweight bragging rights of Los Angeles was memorable.Three exciting fights with "Indian Red" winning two out of three.

As intimate as the presentations were that day,the image of Lance Lopez ,""Indian Red"s" boy, made a lasting impression. The young man sat kind of stooped over at his uncle Danny's table. He seemed awed with the surroundings.The atmosphere, with many of the fighters that could fill the seats at the Olympic Auditorium or the Forum,was energetic with old friends sharing their pasts when Los Angeles and the Southland was the epitome of boxing. Weekly cards with names like Duarte,Crawford, Davila,Chacon,Muniz,Ramoses Sugar and Mando,Napoles,Rojas, Olivares,Palomino,Zarate,Pintor,Quarry brothers,Gonzalez,the names go on and on. Then out of towners like Ali,Frazier,Foreman,and Holmes would set foot on the local canvases and put on a show.It was a Golden Age.

The swirling of the conversations and the laughter made son Lance crane his head around the room.Many of his late father's peers were there talking about way back when. Everyone was caught up in the swirl. It was like the young man was trying to piece it all together,trying to figure it out in an hour or two.

I remember when "Indian Red" thought he had Jose Napoles in his sights.It wasn't bravado as much as it was just plain confidence.Lopez thought he could take him.He had the credentials.As exciting as the fight was though, it was pretty much one sided.I'd never seen Lopez take a beating like that. Sure,Emile Griffith had outboxed him,but Napoles gave "Indian Red" a beating. A few years later there was a rematch.This time Ernie was just as confidant as before.I heard him say to Jim Healy(during Healy's TV show)that this time it would be different.
"He's getting old,"roared "Indian Red." "He's ready to be had."
But it wasn't time to stick a fork in 'Mantequilla" just yet. At least "Indian Red" would not hold the handle.A beautiful Cuban uppercut sent him to the canvas for the count. There was concern from Jose when he saw his unconscious rival lying on the canvas. Jose bent over Ernie and put his arm under his head.He didn't want any harm to come to his brave adversary.

"Indian Red" was ok,physically al least,but mentally he was demoralized.
"I'll never fight that guy again!",he said with disgust afterward.
Beyond Napoles,there would be two more important fights for Lopez,but they were sad losses to Armando Muniz and the guy who would have the privilege of sticking the tines into Jose Napoles,John Stracey.
Broken,his heart not in it anymore,and then a divorce, pushed "Indian Red" into oblivion. He disappeared from friends and family for years.When he was going to inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame,the family hired a PI to find the old battler. ""Indian Red" was living in a homeless shelter(I think ) in Texas. His former friends chipped in to put him in some nice clothes. Everyone fussed over him."Indian Red" was very happy to be inducted.Everyone was happy that he was back.But all the years of fighting and living on the streets had taken its toll. "Indian Red" was not well at all.After he passed away I gave my condolences to Danny,All he said was "My brother took too many shots."I guess he did. His passing was bittersweet.But it was the sweetness part was preserved for the fighters and people around him during the good times. Maybe for Lance lopez,the son,he couldn't savor the sugar.Dad wasn't there too long.

After the West Coast Boxing ceremony concluded I got up and worked my way to the door with my wife. There,standing alone facing the wall in the corridor,was Lance Lopez.I wanted to say something nice to him. Something admirable,but not pretentious.My" creative mind" was thinking. I was thinking of something"brilliant" when the son turned around.
"And who were you?" he asked. His face looked strained. He seemed very tense. I stood still. Whatever I was dreaming up to say to him evaporated. I just walked away. As I neared the car ,I thought to myself,"I don't give a damn if I've got one of those types of faces."

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