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[King Carlos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zimV-vkp3M

With the recent comments on Howard Winstone I was checking out some of his bouts and found this gem. His 10 rounder with Baby Luis. I am really stunned at the clarity of the film - very sharp. And if you like nice boxing then you will love this fight. Winstone the aggressor behind that terrific jab of his and Luis the counter-puncher. I gave 9 rounds to Winstone, scoring only the 8th for Luis, but don't you believe the numbers. Every round was closely contested. This is really fine boxing.

Yes, indeed. Luis seemed to be a very fine fighter, although completely unheralded. Looked good against Saldivar in the footage, too.

[scartissue]

I know what you mean. Although not a puncher, I loved Luis' explosive flurries which kept every round close. Again, good fight.

[Seamus]

Gene Fullmer vs Sugar Ray Robinson I

R1.GF
R2.GF
R3.SRR
R4.SRR
R5.Even
R6.GF
R7.GF (Robinson down) extra pt for Fullmer
R8.Even
R9.SRR
R10.SRR
R11.SRR
R12.SRR
R13.GF
R14.GF
R15.SRR

A Draw 7-7.

Robinson landed the cleaner punches, but Fullmer probably inflicted more damage with his mauling style. The knockdown was more of a punch and a push. Fullmer probably deserved at least a few cautions in this one.

[elmersalsa]

Gene Fullmer vs Sugar Ray Robinson I

R1.GF
R2.GF
R3.SRR
R4.SRR
R5.Even
R6.GF
R7.GF (Robinson down) extra pt for Fullmer
R8.Even
R9.SRR
R10.SRR
R11.SRR
R12.SRR
R13.GF
R14.GF
R15.SRR

A Draw 7-7.

Robinson landed the cleaner punches, but Fullmer probably inflicted more damage with his mauling style. The knockdown was more of a punch and a push. Fullmer probably deserved at least a few cautions in this one.

Gene Fullmer kicked his ass! End of story.

[scartissue]

Michael Nunn vs. James Toney - didn't see it the first time around, so with the help of youtube, 10 point must system:

Round 1: 10-9 Toney
Round 2: 10-9 Nunn
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Nunn
Round 5: 10-9 Nunn
Round 6: 10-9 Nunn
Round 7: 10-9 Nunn
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Toney
Round 10: 10-9 Nunn
Round 11: TKO for Toney

Total: 98-94 Nunn through 10 completed rounds. You have to zone out on Dan Goosen at ringside a bit because I believe he had parted ways with Nunn by this time and more times than not when Toney landed he stated that Nunn was hurt. I do think he was very shaky at the end of the 10th though, despite the fact that I gave Nunn the round. i thought he had done so much work earlier in the round that I couldn't forget it. I think the worst thing taht happened to Nunn was KOing Kalambay in the first round. He seemd to think he was a slugger. Dundee tried everything to get him moving but he stayed in close too much. Interesting fight.

[Counter-puncher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zimV-vkp3M

With the recent comments on Howard Winstone I was checking out some of his bouts and found this gem. His 10 rounder with Baby Luis. I am really stunned at the clarity of the film - very sharp. And if you like nice boxing then you will love this fight. Winstone the aggressor behind that terrific jab of his and Luis the counter-puncher. I gave 9 rounds to Winstone, scoring only the 8th for Luis, but don't you believe the numbers. Every round was closely contested. This is really fine boxing.

Nice find, and like you say startling clarity of picture and sound. Winstone was a bit of a nightmare to try to counter because of the speed, consistency and variety of his jab, and his good feinting and movement.

[Counter-puncher]

Nice example of oldschool, unfussy Brit refereeing in that fight, by the way.

[scartissue]

Nice example of oldschool, unfussy Brit refereeing in that fight, by the way.

I always liked Harry Gibb as a ref. Like you said, no nonsense. I believe the only time I ever saw him lose control of a fight was the Wilfredo Gomez-Carlos Zarate fight. The way Gibb usually handled himself - if this bout took place in Britain or anywhere neutral - I could see him docking points or DQ'ing Gomez for hitting Zarate when he was down. But I think he may have been intimidated by the rabid Puerto Rican crowd who seemed to be drooling for Zarate blood. Still, his only lapse that I can remember. Damn good ref otherwise.

[Counter-puncher]

If so, he wasn't the only decent ref who failed to control Gomez' fouling. Wasn't it mercante who let him smash Pintor' balls in?

[scartissue]

If so, he wasn't the only decent ref who failed to control Gomez' fouling. Wasn't it mercante who let him smash Pintor' balls in?

I believe it was. What was it about Gomez that these guys were giving him a pass? Mercante and Gibb - I always felt - were rock solid refs. I don't get it.

[Seamus]

Time to raise some hell.

Carlos Monzon vs Rodrigo Valdes I

R1.10-9 CM
R2.10-9 RV
R3.10-9 CM
R4.10-9 CM
R5.10-9 RV
R6.10-9 CM
R7.10-9 RV
R8.10-9 RV
R9.10-9 RV
R10.10-9 RV
R11.10-9 RV
R12.10-9 CM
R13.10-9 RV
R14.10-8 CM (Valdes down from a straight right to the head)
R15.10-9 RV

Rodrigo Valdes 143-141

Valdes was the one always pressing the action, hammering Monzon's body. Even when he misses he frequently comes in with the shoulder. This may be one that few agree with me on, but that's how I scored it.

[scartissue]

Here's one I remembered back in the day. I thought at the time that Eddie Davis got robbed and now I put pen to paper. Michael Spinks defending his light heavyweight title against Eddie Davis.

Round 1: 10-9 Davis
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Spinks
Round 4: 10-9 Davis
Round 5: 10-9 Spinks
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Spinks
Round 8: 10-9 Davis
Round 9: 10-9 Davis
Round 10: 10-9 Spinks
Round 11: 10-9 Davis
Round 12: 10-9 Davis

Total: 116-114 Eddie Davis

The official verdict was unanimous for Spinks. Two of the judges had it wide for Spinks. IMO they weren't even trying. They had to be at the concession stand getting a couple of dogs and a brew. They should have just mailed their cards in. I saw someone else on another site scored this fight, so I compared my card to his. And except for the 6th round which he gave to Spinks and I had even, we had identical cards. Now that is good tight scoring. This fight is well worth checking out and Davis deserves to be pissed over this one, because IMO he was robbed.

[Seamus]

That's exactly what I scored it when I watched it live.

[scartissue]

That's exactly what I scored it when I watched it live.

Seamus, Joe Cortez had it 119-109 and Larry hazard had it 118-111. That is 11-1 in rounds and 9-2-1 respectively. Only Carol Castellano had it close at 115-114, which is at least reasonable. But Cortez and Hazzard didn't even try to hide their partiality. If there was proper oversight in judging, these two would not be judging again under any reasonable watch.

[Seamus]

I finally got to watch Fury v Klitschko in it's entirety. I gave Wlad the 12th, called the 1st, 3rd, 8th, and 11th even and the rest for Fury. Tyson Fury 118-112. Action picked up a bit the last 2 rds, but Fury won several rds by just doing a little when Wlad did nothing.

[Seamus]

I never remember scoring Esteban DeJesus vs Roberto Duran I so I finally got around to it.

R1.EDJ (2 pt round for knockdown)
R2.Even
R3.EDJ
R4.EDJ (Duran wobbled by a flurry at the bell)
R5.EDJ
R6.EDJ
R7.EDJ
R8.RD
R9.RD
R10.Even

In rounds 6-2-2 for DeJesus. Under New York State rules (supplemental scoring) 7-2 for DeJesus. Had it been on the 10 pt must I would have had it 98-93 DeJesus.

[witherspoon]

Tyrell Biggs v James Tillis

Rd 1. 5-4 Tillis
Rd 2. 5-4 Biggs
Rd 3. 5-4 Biggs
Rd 4. 5-4 Biggs
Rd 5. 5-5
Rd 6. 5-4 Biggs
Rd 7. 5-4 Biggs
Rd 8. 5-4 Biggs

39-34 Biggs

I just put this on when I got home from work this morning. The score is from memory, it's possible I could have given Tillis a round after the first.

Thoroughly enjoyed this, one sided but hard fought all the way and a good reflection I both guys.

I read Tillis' biography recently and he was very candid about being totally clueless about nutrition and conditioning at this point in his career and I think it shows here. He's shows some good skills but his conditioning really let's him down here.

[scartissue]

Looked up a little history on this thread on the Hector Camacho-Edwin Rosario fight and saw that Seamus, Witherspoon and Rover also scored this fight and we are all right in line with one another. Just a round or so out. Good fight, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Camacho
Round 2: 10-9 Camacho
Round 3: 10-9 Rosario
Round 4: 10-9 Rosario
Round 5: 10-9 Rosario (I was very tempted to make this 10-8, but held back due to Camacho's early and late surge, but won't disagree with anyone else if they think its 10-8)
Round 6: 10-9 Camacho
Round 7: 10-9 Camacho
Round 8: 10-9 Rosario
Round 9: 10-9 Camacho
Round 10: 10-9 Camacho
Round 11: 10-9 Rosario
Round 12: 10-9 Rosario

Total 114-114 Draw

[witherspoon]

I had the same score, iirc. I'm sure I scored the 5th 10-8 and possibly the 11th as well.

Great fight, though.

[Counter-puncher]

I had the same score, iirc. I'm sure I scored the 5th 10-8 and possibly the 11th as well.

Great fight, though.

[Seamus]

Roberto Duran vs Ray Lampkin

Saw reference online to it being on the 5 pt must system so that's what I used.

R1.5-4 RL
R2.5-4 RL
R3.5-4 RL
R4.5-4 RL
R5.5-4 RD
R6.5-4 RD
R7.5-4 RL
R8.5-4 RL
R9.5-4 RL
R10.5-4 RL
R11.5-5 Even
R12.5-4 RL
R13.5-5 Even

Roberto Duran KO 14. Ray Lampkin ahead on my card 63-56 at the time of the knockout.

Up until he landed that short devastating left hook in the 14th rd, this hadn't been one of Duran's best performances, to put it mildly. He looked tired before the halfway mark, had trouble sustaining attacks, and his punch accuracy was way off. In the 7th rd Duran actually looked like something was wrong with him, by the 9th Lampkin looked like he was exhausted as well. In fact he said after or before the 10th, that his legs were gone, but he was still keeping his hands busy enough to win rounds on my scorecard. Early on Lampkin had boxed beautifully, jabbing well and using distance effectively to frequently catch Duran coming in.

[witherspoon]

Continued my 80's heavyweight binge this morning. I had no intention of keeping score for these fights but I enjoyed them so much I just wanted to share them, and this is my favourite thread by far.

Tyrell Biggs v Renaldo Snipes
R1. 10-10 EVEN
R2. 10-9 BIGGS (20-19 Biggs)
R3. 10-8 BIGGS (30-27 Biggs)
R4. 9-10 SNIPES (39-37 Biggs)
R5. 9-10 SNIPES(48-47 Biggs)
R6. 10-9 BIGGS(58-56 Biggs)
R7. 9-10 SNIPES (67-66 Biggs)
R8. 9-10 SNIPES (76-76)
R9. 10-9 BIGGS (86-85 Biggs)
R10. 10-9 BIGGS (96-94 Biggs)

Another entertaining fight to watch. Snipes really went all out in this one, his last chance to keep himself relevant at a time when there were ready millions waiting for a fight with Tyson. He was way too wild swinging his right hand early, and got dropped by a perfect counter in round three (almost identical to the knockdown suffered by Meldrick Taylor in the 12th against Chavez). He did tighten his punches up in the following rounds but stayed aggressive enough to keep the fight close.

Biggs was much improved from the Tillis fight that I watched the other day. He placed his punches much better, paced himself in the early rounds and didn't show Snipes as much respect as he showed to Tillis. He imposed himself on this fight from the beginning, and his jab is beautiful when he uses it.

Again, Biggs shows a surprising willingness to take punches and swing with a dangerous opponent when he could so easily control the fight with a fast, long jab. I think I sense a little tension in the corner between Lou Duva and George Benton (which was palpable in the Tillis fight iirc) and I wonder how detrimental that can be to a young inexperienced fighter. Everything about the situation reminds me of Meldrick Taylor and I can't help thinking that these two guys must have had considerable influence on each other.

Mike Tyson v James Tillis
R1. 10-10 EVEN
R2. 10-9 TYSON (20-19 Tyson)
R3. 10-9 TYSON (30-28 Tyson)
R4. 10-8 TYSON (40-36 Tyson)
R5. 10-9 TYSON (50-45 Tyson)
R6. 9-10 TILLIS (59-55 Tyson)
R7. 9-10 TILLIS (68-65 Tyson)
R8. 10-10 EVEN (78-75 Tyson)
R9. 9-10 TILLIS (87-85 Tyson)
R10. 9-10 TILLIS (96-95 Tyson)

This was scored on rounds, Tyson took it 6-4 on all cards but I only had him winning by the knockdown in round 4. I'm sure this fight has been scored on this thread, and I will take a look after I post this, but I would be interested to know how others see this.
Like Biggs, Tillis is much improved from their fight, he looks visibly fitter and he maintains an impressive pace for the whole 10 while Tyson just seemed to lapse into long spells of lethargy and did precious little work on the inside. He was smart enough to steal a couple of rounds by launching combinations at the end but on the whole I make him lucky to win this fight. I just wonder if I overreacted to Tillis' performance because it's much better than I expected from memory.

[Seamus]

Jorge Paez vs Calvin Grove I

R1.10-9 CG
R2.10-9 CG
R3.10-9 JP
R4.10-9 JP
R5.10-9 JP
R6.10-9 CG
R7.10-9 CG
R8.10-9 CG
R9.10-9 JP
R10.10-9 CG
R11.10-9 CG
R12.10-9 JP
R13.10-9 CG
R14.10-10
R15.10-6 (Grove knocked down 3 times. 1st from right to the head followed by a flurry, then by another flurry punctuated by a right uppercut, and finally from another flurry)

Jorge Paez 142-141

I watched this fight on tape on Spanish television shortly after it occured and remember scoring it for Paez by 1 pt with a 10-6 final round. Excellent fight in which Paez landed with much less frequency than Grove, but with alot more effect. Paez had some activity lapses no doubt from having to come down from 180 lbs. Was this guy partying with Duran or something

Jorge Paez vs Louie Espinoza I

Jorge Paez 119-109 I gave Espinoza the 1st and Paez the rest. Espinoza landed alot of good shots throughout the fight and was game, but Paez just clearly looked to be doing better in almost every round. Commentator claimed Espinoza was benchpressing 265 but felt Paez was too strong for him on the inside ?

[Ambling Alp II]

I remember Grove-Paez. That was a wild fight.

[Seamus]

I'm on a big Jorge Paez kick

Jorge Paez vs Louie Espinoza II

R1.10-9 LE
R2.10-9 LE
R3.10-9 JP
R4.10-9 LE
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 LE
R7.10-9 JP
R8.10-9 JP
R9.10-9 JP
R10.10-9 JP
R11.10-9 LE
R12.10-9 JP

Jorge Paez 115-114

Thought this was a way better better fight than the much acclaimed 1st bout that appeared one sided in the scoring to me.

Tony Lopez vs Jorge Paez

R1.10-9 JP
R2.10-9 JP
R3.10-9 TL
R4.10-9 TL
R5.10-9 TL
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 TL
R9.10-9 TL
R10.10-9 TL
R11.10-9 TL
R12.10-9 TL

Tony Lopez 118-112

Close fight until Lopez really establishes the body attack in the second half of the bout, stays in his fight plan and wins a clear decision.

Jorge Paez vs Calvin Grove II

R1.10-9 JP
R2.10-9 CG
R3.10-9 CG
R4.10-9 JP
R5.10-9 JP
R6.10-9 CG
R7.10-9 CG
R8.10-10
R9.10-9 JP
R10.10-7 JP (Grove down from an overhand right, appeared to be down again from a left hook but not ruled a KD, then dropped a second time witha right to the head.

Jorge Paez KO 11 Calvin Grove . Grove dropped for the count by a left uppercut. 96-93 Paez at the time of the KO on my card.

Excellent fight that I thought was even better than the 1st. Paez got off to a better start this time, but Grove took more chances coming in and rocking Paez repeatedly with hard combinations to the head.

Azumah Nelson vs Calvin Grove

R1.10-8 AN (Grove down from a left hook)
R2.10-9 CG (missing over a minute of the ground commentators decidedly favored Grove so I gave him the round)
R3.10-9 CG
R4.10-9 CG
R5.10-9 CG
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 CG
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 AN
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-9 AN
R12.10-10

Azumah Nelson 115-114

Excellent performance from Calvin Grove, who looked primed for the upset through the first 7. He gave Nelson lot's of problems with his long stiff jab and constant movement, but Nelson applied enough pressure in rds 8 thru 11 to pull out a victory on my card. One judge also had it a 1 pt fight.

Pernell Whitaker vs Jorge Paez

R1.10-9 PW
R2.10-9 PW
R3.10-9 JP
R4.10-9 JP
R5.10-9 PW
R6.10-9 PW
R7.10-9 PW
R8.10-10
R9.10-10
R10.10-10
R11.9-9 (1pt taken from Whitaker for pulling Paez's head down)
R12.9-9 (1 pt taken from Paez for hitting on the break)

Pernell Whitaker 115-113

Maybe I was a little generous to Paez in this one, but I was impressed with the way he kept boring in on Whitaker and unloading on him with big punches, Whitaker did land the better shots but Paez got in some surprisingly good ones, and his style at times seemed to frustrate Whitaker. One judge had it a 3 pt win.