Ruslan Chagaev vs. Lucas Browne on March 5 in Grozny

[Freedom]

With Pianeta there was nothing to gauge anything on, it was quick, concise and over. Aside from having power what was else was there to tell? Sure Browne looked in trouble and slightly dejected at times but soon gained composure, that is a sign of a championship heart. Chagaev a bit passed his prime yet still a solid top 20 fighter in the division, a good learning experience for Browne.

[Freedom]

The President of Grozny was not happy.

[diddy]

What were the cards at time of stoppage ? Guessing Chagaev was slightly ahead. Chagaev hurt Browne too late in the 6th with under 20 secs left. It that were middle of the round he knocks him out. Browne landed his big shot in the middle of the round and had plenty of time to follow up. Often times this is the difference in winning and losing fights. Not if you hurt a guy, but when you do so.

[bigred83]

Chagaev seemed surprised and not happy, even Browne didn't seem happy at all, the whole crowd is silence and moving out.

I think everybody realises this wasn't a really fair stoppage.


Nevertheless, Browne did won the latest few rounds, also in my opinion.

How was it not a fair stoppage??? Browne was battering Chagaev with shots.
Good thing the ref stopped it to prevent more damage to Ruslan.

Oké, well, I think he could easely have survived it, or else the ref could have waved Browne of earlier in the fight because of his injurys as well.
Take a picture of both fighters their face and ask a random guy who he thinks has won and you know enough.

Chagaev was clearly losing the latest few rounds, but it wasn't like he was completely KO.

The guy was taking shots without throwing any back or trying to get out of there, what other choice did the ref have?
Maybe he could have waited to see if something bad happened to Chagaev. Thanks to the ref, he now gets to fight another day.

It's getting old how people expect referees to let fights go on, in this day and age. Life isnt cheap, and there isn't a lot worse than seeing a former athlete with brain issues of any kind.

[Brute]

Fair play to Browne but it's comical he can even be considered to fight for a heavy weight title he pretty shi.te to be fair?

Changed your mind, I take it?

[Brute]

Parker knocks out Browne inside 5 rounds.

[Brute]

Good on Lucas! Maybe a fight with Parker could be in the works now

WBA has a round robin going. Fury has to fight Klitchko again, Browne has to fight Oquendo.
Ortiz has to fight some Russian & winner of that has to fight winner of Fury/klitschko.

Winner of that has to fight winner of Browne/Oquendo.

Parker will have to wait until that is sorted or go after another organisation.

[thunderfromdownunder]

Good on Lucas! Maybe a fight with Parker could be in the works now

WBA has a round robin going. Fury has to fight Klitchko again, Browne has to fight Oquendo.
Ortiz has to fight some Russian & winner of that has to fight winner of Fury/klitschko.

Winner of that has to fight winner of Browne/Oquendo.

Parker will have to wait until that is sorted or go after another organisation.

Browne v Oquendo would be decent, hopefully in Australia somewhere too!

[greg]

The President of Grozny was not happy.

..what would you expect, he said in one of the interviews he had lost 8 kilos in anticipation of this fight

[gilgamesh]

Is he the guy they kept cutting to sitting on the Purple Couch like thing?...granted he wasn't sitting most of the time I saw him

[The-Undisputed]

Yeah that's the fella, awful beard and kitted out in what looked like mma attire! He even got up into the corner of the guy who fought funeka at the end of one of the rounds, thought he was starring in a remake of rocky 4!

[Ilya Muromets]

Yeah that's the fella, awful beard and kitted out in what looked like mma attire! He even got up into the corner of the guy who fought funeka at the end of one of the rounds, thought he was starring in a remake of rocky 4!

Murzabekov should have been declared the winner. I guess they wanted to show Chechen hospitality by giving it to the African. He did look by far his best early in the fight though.

Colourful cast of characters in that audience. I even saw The Surgeon, the head of President Putin's motorcycle gang, the Night Wolves.

The Browne fight was a righteous stoppage even tho President Kadryov didn't like it. Ref Christodoulou is one of the few good ones still in the business.

[The-Undisputed]

No way should Murzabekov get the nod, did hardly anything at all from the 2nd round on, fighting in 10 second spurts at the end of a round does not overrule what took place in the 2 minutes 50 previous

[Like a Boss]

What were the cards at time of stoppage ? Guessing Chagaev was slightly ahead. Chagaev hurt Browne too late in the 6th with under 20 secs left. It that were middle of the round he knocks him out. Browne landed his big shot in the middle of the round and had plenty of time to follow up. Often times this is the difference in winning and losing fights. Not if you hurt a guy, but when you do so.

Not just slightly ahead.

The judges had it 88-82, 88-2 and 88-81. All for Chagaev.

[Like a Boss]

I wonder if Browne winning has any impact on Parker's decision to take the IBF route and fight Takam.

Parker had chosen the Takam route before Browne beat Chagaev?

[kaiserbill]

The Browne fight was a righteous stoppage even tho President Kadryov didn't like it. Ref Christodoulou is one of the few good ones still in the business.

Exactly..I thought it was a perfect stoppage. Chagaev was eating heavy solid blows to the head for a while after the knock down and not firing back at all.

Stan Christodoulou is an International Boxing Hall of Fame inductee for his refereeing, reffed his first world title bout over 40 years ago, was the first ref to oversee world title fights in all 17 weight categories, and the third ref in history to ref 100 world title bouts. He was always great reffing the heavyweights, and I used to love it back in the day as he got totally involved, often getting stuck in and physically prying a clinching fighters paws off whilst seperating a clinch to keep the bout going and flowing.
I'd say if he thought a fighter was taking a shellacking, particularly one ahead on the scorecards in his own backyard, then I wouldn't even begin to question it. He's been around the block hundreds of times and knows what he's doing, even if nowadays he's no longer as quick on his feet as he used to be.(He was always very nimble on his feet for a big ref)

One of the all time best refs, he is indeed one of the few good ones still in the business.

[kaiserbill]

The other thing is, I was impressed by Lucas Brownes conditioning.
Checking up on boxrec, this is indeed the lightest he's weighed as a pro.

Chagaev on the other hand was the 2nd heaviest he has come in as a pro. Chagaev should be in the 100kg -104kg bracket or thereabouts, considering his height. He was in that bracket for the majority of his career, and has only been heavier in his last 7 or 8 fights.
113kg is not a weight he should be coming in at.

[stayinshape]

Chagaev came 2009 against Klitschko at 224 lbs
Over the Years weightrange goes light up & down....236 lbs highest...then next fights he drops weight down
Chagaev knows how to drop weight and bring good fightweight...but 2012 comes, he decided to put weight up...and now trunk size goes up and he carries a lot of overweight through the rounds...

Browne is also a type of fighter, who exactly knows where his Refrigerator standing in the kitchen...
But this time he made his homework very well and drop weight down...i think when he drops another 7 - 9 lbs down he reaches good fightweight for the future.

[Rexob]

Fair play to Browne but it's comical he can even be considered to fight for a heavy weight title he pretty shi.te to be fair?

Changed your mind, I take it?

Browne did great to win utmost respect for him for that but let's get real he still pretty poor.

[jezzamundo]

Parker knocks out Browne inside 5 rounds.

It's certainly possible given how Browne was hurt by Chagaev and taking into consideration Parker's power and handspeed advantage.

[Ilya Muromets]

The other thing is, I was impressed by Lucas Brownes conditioning.
Checking up on boxrec, this is indeed the lightest he's weighed as a pro.

Chagaev on the other hand was the 2nd heaviest he has come in as a pro. Chagaev should be in the 100kg -104kg bracket or thereabouts, considering his height. He was in that bracket for the majority of his career, and has only been heavier in his last 7 or 8 fights.
113kg is not a weight he should be coming in at.

Same here. Browne looked slim and trim and Chagaev looked thick around the middle. Certainly not soft - he's a very powerful man - but thick, like he didn't need the extra weight.

[Heretic]

I had Chagaev clearly ahead on points before the stoppage. I think the stoppage was good. Ruslan took 2 clean hits before it was waved off. I thinks it would have been over anyway. Ruslan was still on hes feet and complained about the stoppage right away so I can see why some people think it was too early.

Browne is strong and though guy and has real power. He is also slow and has leaky defense. I think he would loose against most of the top 10 fighters but he is not easy win to anyone.

[crusader]

Apparently Chag was up 88-82 x2 (same score I had) and 88-81, so Big Daddy needed that.

[ikorolev]

I had Chagaev clearly ahead on points before the stoppage. I think the stoppage was good. Ruslan took 2 clean hits before it was waved off. I thinks it would have been over anyway. Ruslan was still on hes feet and complained about the stoppage right away so I can see why some people think it was too early.

Browne is strong and though guy and has real power. He is also slow and has leaky defense. I think he would loose against most of the top 10 fighters but he is not easy win to anyone.

Chagaev wasn't fighting back, so it was a good stoppage.

[jezzamundo]

What were the cards at time of stoppage ? Guessing Chagaev was slightly ahead. Chagaev hurt Browne too late in the 6th with under 20 secs left. It that were middle of the round he knocks him out. Browne landed his big shot in the middle of the round and had plenty of time to follow up. Often times this is the difference in winning and losing fights. Not if you hurt a guy, but when you do so.

Not just slightly ahead.

The judges had it 88-82, 88-2 and 88-81. All for Chagaev.

Disgusting - KD aside it was a very competitive fight up until the stoppage.