Spence jnr & GGG

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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Badhusker wrote:Lara will fight GGG, and has a more well known name than the majority of GGG's opponents. When he gets back and really active, I think Andrade would be an interesting fight also.
Lara will fight GGG on twitter. If he was really interested, he would move up and fight some Haymon MW first to make himself relevant at MW or better become mandatory by beating Jacobs (which I doubt Lara can do).
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Badhusker wrote:Lara will fight GGG, and has a more well known name than the majority of GGG's opponents. When he gets back and really active, I think Andrade would be an interesting fight also.
Lara will fight GGG on twitter. If he was really interested, he would move up and fight some Haymon MW first to make himself relevant at MW or better become mandatory by beating Jacobs (which I doubt Lara can do).
That's some vectoring rationalization, to be kind. Lara is the #1 154 boxer according to most. 3G should call his bluff and make this fight happen. I know what the excuses are for not taking it. That is what they are, excuses.

SRL didn't have to prove himself to get the Hagler fight. Should 3G have to prove himself at 168 before getting the DeGale fight? Hell to the no. Would Kovalev have taken the fight if it was SOGgy's first at LHW? Hell yeah.

Would a Lara fight do worse economically than Wade? You know the answer to that.

Lara v 3G should be made.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Tanzio wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
Badhusker wrote:Lara will fight GGG, and has a more well known name than the majority of GGG's opponents. When he gets back and really active, I think Andrade would be an interesting fight also.
Lara will fight GGG on twitter. If he was really interested, he would move up and fight some Haymon MW first to make himself relevant at MW or better become mandatory by beating Jacobs (which I doubt Lara can do).
That's some vectoring rationalization, to be kind. Lara is the #1 154 boxer according to most. 3G should call his bluff and make this fight happen. I know what the excuses are for not taking it. That is what they are, excuses.

SRL didn't have to prove himself to get the Hagler fight. Should 3G have to prove himself at 168 before getting the DeGale fight? Hell to the no. Would Kovalev have taken the fight if it was SOGgy's first at LHW? Hell yeah.

Would a Lara fight do worse economically than Wade? You know the answer to that.

Lara v 3G should be made.
How is Lara #1 ? He has a draw with Vanes and lost to Canelo. He hasn't fought Andrade, Charlo brothers, Cotto. Are you seriously comparing him to SRL or to Golovkin ?

Also, I doubt that Lara would do better economically than Wade. He is not widely known, and black casual fans would much rather watch Wade than him.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Tanzio wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
Lara will fight GGG on twitter. If he was really interested, he would move up and fight some Haymon MW first to make himself relevant at MW or better become mandatory by beating Jacobs (which I doubt Lara can do).
That's some vectoring rationalization, to be kind. Lara is the #1 154 boxer according to most. 3G should call his bluff and make this fight happen. I know what the excuses are for not taking it. That is what they are, excuses.

SRL didn't have to prove himself to get the Hagler fight. Should 3G have to prove himself at 168 before getting the DeGale fight? Hell to the no. Would Kovalev have taken the fight if it was SOGgy's first at LHW? Hell yeah.

Would a Lara fight do worse economically than Wade? You know the answer to that.

Lara v 3G should be made.
How is Lara #1 ? He has a draw with Vanes and lost to Canelo. He hasn't fought Andrade, Charlo brothers, Cotto. Are you seriously comparing him to SRL or to Golovkin ?

Also, I doubt that Lara would do better economically than Wade. He is not widely known, and black casual fans would much rather watch Wade than him.
Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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hurricanemitch14 wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
hurricanemitch14 wrote:Who has ggg fought???? For his fans to claim he can beat the all time greats??? I've seen u guys claiming he beats hagler,Jones, BHop, Toney.....how can u say this when he's beat nobody. Yet I'm the clown lol....
Talk to people in North America because no one on the continent wants to fight him. Your comment is a joke.
Andre Ward would have fought him no doubt....he would get fights at 168. That's what greats do especially when there is nobody to fight. People like to dog Floyd for not fighting ggg when he's moved up from 126 to 154. RJJ/Toney went from 160 to heavy. BHop 160 to 175. Pacman from who friggin knows to 147. There's some of the greats n the past 20 yrs. Is it really too much to ask for a 34 yr old to move up when it's obvious he can't get any fights.

Also I believe there's a champ by the name of Saunders that's not American and wants no part so it's more than America.
Ward is at 175 so it is a moot point and he has barely fought in 4 years and we will see if he has the balls to get in with Kovalev. His is out of the discussion so the point is moot.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Badhusker wrote:Lara will fight GGG, and has a more well known name than the majority of GGG's opponents. When he gets back and really active, I think Andrade would be an interesting fight also.
Lara will fight GGG on twitter. If he was really interested, he would move up and fight some Haymon MW first to make himself relevant at MW or better become mandatory by beating Jacobs (which I doubt Lara can do).
Exactly.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Tanzio wrote: Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?
He is just banking on the fact that Lara would literally run around the ring and hope to land maybe 2 shots a round and hope GGG would land 0. It would not be pleasing at all. GGG would press and Lara would run. And then hope the judges would give it away to Lara.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?

Lara does fit two of the three. He is much more well known than...(I forgot who GGG is fighting next) and would be much more of a big money fight than...what's his name (the guy that GGG is fighting next).

Lara beat Canelo in my eyes at least, and has publicly agreed to fight at 160 many times, for over a year now. Gennady's priorities? :OhYes: I do think GGG would win, but it would be a tough fight for him style-wise.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Badhusker wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?

Lara does fit two of the three. He is much more well known than...(I forgot who GGG is fighting next) and would be much more of a big money fight than...what's his name (the guy that GGG is fighting next).

Lara beat Canelo in my eyes at least, and has publicly agreed to fight at 160 many times, for over a year now. Gennady's priorities? :OhYes: I do think GGG would win, but it would be a tough fight for him style-wise.
He beat Canelo by running and landing no effective punches? I am glad you are not a judge I will tell you that.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Badhusker wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?

Lara does fit two of the three. He is much more well known than...(I forgot who GGG is fighting next) and would be much more of a big money fight than...what's his name (the guy that GGG is fighting next).

Lara beat Canelo in my eyes at least, and has publicly agreed to fight at 160 many times, for over a year now. Gennady's priorities? :OhYes: I do think GGG would win, but it would be a tough fight for him style-wise.
Wade is a mandatory. If Golovkin doesn't fight him, he will lose the IBF belt, so clearly it takes priority over a JMW unknown to casual fans. Lara would bring any additional money ??? HBO will definitely not pay an additional penny after the way Lara fought Canelo.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Badhusker wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?

Lara does fit two of the three. He is much more well known than...(I forgot who GGG is fighting next) and would be much more of a big money fight than...what's his name (the guy that GGG is fighting next).

Lara beat Canelo in my eyes at least, and has publicly agreed to fight at 160 many times, for over a year now. Gennady's priorities? :OhYes: I do think GGG would win, but it would be a tough fight for him style-wise.
Wade is a mandatory. If Golovkin doesn't fight him, he will lose the IBF belt, so clearly it takes priority over a JMW unknown to casual fans. Lara would bring any additional money ??? HBO will definitely not pay an additional penny after the way Lara fought Canelo.
Lara has never even fought at middleweight. he is in no position to fight GGG at all. Against Alvarez he ran around and stupid judges almost gifted him the decision. He fought off his back foot the whole fight. It was pathetic. He deserves nothing.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Are you all forgetting that wade is a MANDATORY, who he fights on voluntary defenses is a different thing, GGG actually abides by the rules, fighting Lara instead of wade would mean he would be stripped, short memories you guys
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Pureist wrote:Are you all forgetting that wade is a MANDATORY, who he fights on voluntary defenses is a different thing, GGG actually abides by the rules, fighting Lara instead of wade would mean he would be stripped, short memories you guys
We established that but people do not want to listen to such logic. Logic does not matter to them. hating on GGG is their logic.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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ikorolev wrote:
Tanzio wrote: Come on man, your sounding like turB on FMJ now. 3G wants a fight. Lara wants to give it to him. Stop b!tching out for 3G. Lara v Canelo could have gone either way. Canelo is the (undeserving) lineal MW champ, not LMW. Lara is a significant challenge. Don't try to convince us that Wade is a bigger challenge.

I smell fear, ikie :OhYes:
Are you serious ??? Fear ? Against Lara ? Golovkin would smash him like an annoying fly.

Gennady's priorities:
- MW unification fights
- Big money fights
- Big name fights (which in most cases the same as the above)

Lara doesn't fit in any of these categories. What is unclear ?
Then smash him.

I have defended 3G all along. Lara would be the most skilled fighter 3G has faced, IMO. I think he would stop him too. What would be the problem with that? It would be one of the best names on his resume.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Lancenix wrote:
Pureist wrote:Are you all forgetting that wade is a MANDATORY, who he fights on voluntary defenses is a different thing, GGG actually abides by the rules, fighting Lara instead of wade would mean he would be stripped, short memories you guys
We established that but people do not want to listen to such logic. Logic does not matter to them. hating on GGG is their logic.
I'm not interested in 3G fighting Lara instead of Wade. I just want him to shut the Cuban's mouth, the same as I wanted FMJ to shut Khan's mouth.

But Khan is doing something that FMJ would not do v GingerHead.
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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If he fought Lara, trout etc, then all you would hear about is how he dragged up a JMW and he beat a smaller fighter, if these guys are serious about a fight with GGG then they need to pursue fights at MW before getting the fight with GGG, canelo is in a lose, lose position now with Kahn, if he wins, he beat a smaller guy, if he loses he was never any good anyway, who would want to put themselves in that position
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Re: Spence jnr & GGG

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Pureist wrote:If he fought Lara, trout etc, then all you would hear about is how he dragged up a JMW and he beat a smaller fighter, if these guys are serious about a fight with GGG then they need to pursue fights at MW before getting the fight with GGG, canelo is in a lose, lose position now with Kahn, if he wins, he beat a smaller guy, if he loses he was never any good anyway, who would want to put themselves in that position
He is also in a lose lose position with GGG 1) He fights him and gets KO'd and destroyed OR 2) He never fights GGG and is known as the "Mexican chicken" for the rest of his career. He is killing himself to get to 154. He can't stay there long. I would not be surprised if he went from 154 to 168 just to bypass GGG.
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