This is exactly the reason why wilder doesnt want to go to russia

[Chepppaaa]

and he is damn right not to go there!!!!!!!

durodola, jones, now browne....you beat the russian guy in a clear way (tko or ko), a way where you cant apply "bought judges" and all of the sudden
the winner is a roid user or pot smoker. maybe 1 time someone realy took something, but not in 2,3,4 or more cases, when the guys has been boxing numerous times in the us or other countrys and all tests were okay.

have ever opponents of russian boxers in russia tested positive when they lost, no, but when they start winning, than its a cheat

[Andrew Kearney]

The drug testing was carried out by VADA, an American organisation deemed to be neutral and reputable. In this case you would expect VADA to be neutral because neither Chagaev nor Browne are American. Unless you are implying that VADA was paid off by Russians, but even in that instance (which is far fetched), it is an American organisation so Americans must have accepted the pay off? Also, the post fight drug testing was requested by German authorities, not Russian authorities.

Browne weighed in at a career low - 250 1/4 pounds, he usually fights in the 260's and has been as high as 273 lbs. He is being accused of using a fat burning drug which given the evidence seems plausible.

Apparently the B sample has a seal that is sealed once the boxer urinates. The seal cannot be tampered with without being broken, nor can the seal be replaced so it is essentially tamper-proof. Testing the B sample in front of Browne's team would solve this dilemma.

All the facts present suggest Browne may in fact have been drugging. You mention Jones, but he has been a long time drug user and has also tested positive in the past, so the Russians were clearly correct in their ruling. He is a repeated PED user and also was booked by American authorities.

[Chepppaaa]

The drug testing was carried out by VADA, an American organisation deemed to be neutral and reputable. In this case you would expect VADA to be neutral because neither Chagaev nor Browne are American. Unless you are implying that VADA was paid off by Russians, but even in that instance (which is far fetched), it is an American organisation so Americans must have accepted the pay off? Also, the post fight drug testing was requested by German authorities, not Russian authorities.

Browne weighed in at a career low - 250 1/4 pounds, he usually fights in the 260's and has been as high as 273 lbs. He is being accused of using a fat burning drug which given the evidence seems plausible.

Apparently the B sample has a seal that is sealed once the boxer urinates. The seal cannot be tampered with without being broken, nor can the seal be replaced so it is essentially tamper-proof. Testing the B sample in front of Browne's team would solve this dilemma.

All the facts present suggest Browne may in fact have been drugging. You mention Jones, but he has been a long time drug user and has also tested positive in the past, so the Russians were clearly correct in their ruling. He is a repeated PED user and also was booked by American authorities.

so durodula boxed 21 times in the us and in other countrys such as brasil or nigiria and they never found something, he goes to russia beats clearly one of russias biggest prospects in kudryashov and all of the sudden he was a steriod cheat?

browne fought 23 times in the uk and australia, always clean, he goes 1 time to russia and all of the sudden he took something?

vada, fifa, all the same, big organization you cannot fully trust. by the way, moscow is one of the citys with the most billioneres in the world, raybinski is super rich, so you dont think that he can buy some kind of advantage?

oh no, surely not, boxing business is known for his transparant honest business relationships

[Ilya Muromets]

browne fought 23 times in the uk and australia, always clean, he goes 1 time to russia and all of the sudden he took something?

vada, fifa, all the same, big organization you cannot fully trust. by the way, moscow is one of the citys with the most billioneres in the world, raybinski is super rich, so you dont think that he can buy some kind of advantage?

oh no, surely not, boxing business is known for his transparant honest business relationships

The fight was in Chechnya. Chechnya is in the Russian Federation but Chechens are not Russians.

Boxing is crooked everyplace, especially in the U.S. Ever hear of Don King? How about Las Vegas?

[jezzamundo]

The drug testing was carried out by VADA, an American organisation deemed to be neutral and reputable. In this case you would expect VADA to be neutral because neither Chagaev nor Browne are American. Unless you are implying that VADA was paid off by Russians, but even in that instance (which is far fetched), it is an American organisation so Americans must have accepted the pay off? Also, the post fight drug testing was requested by German authorities, not Russian authorities.

Browne weighed in at a career low - 250 1/4 pounds, he usually fights in the 260's and has been as high as 273 lbs. He is being accused of using a fat burning drug which given the evidence seems plausible.

Apparently the B sample has a seal that is sealed once the boxer urinates. The seal cannot be tampered with without being broken, nor can the seal be replaced so it is essentially tamper-proof. Testing the B sample in front of Browne's team would solve this dilemma.

All the facts present suggest Browne may in fact have been drugging. You mention Jones, but he has been a long time drug user and has also tested positive in the past, so the Russians were clearly correct in their ruling. He is a repeated PED user and also was booked by American authorities.

Not that I know anything about VADA, but based on what I've read here, it seems highly unlikely that they would have botched the sample and therefore Browne's B sample will probably test positive too. To me it seems far more likely that Browne was drugged in the lead-up to the fight - either that, or he is in fact guilty. Browne weighed in less than 5 pounds under the weight for his previous fight more than six months earlier. Given that this was the biggest fight of his career, to say that he only could have got down to 250lb (which is probably still 10lb more than his ideal fighting weight) with drugs is definitely inaccurate. Keep in mind that Browne weighed less than a pounds more for the Richard Towers fight, so to say that his weight and physique for this fight were abnormal is an exaggeration.

None of this means Browne is innocent, but factoring in the 3 min 40 second round, the short round and the lopsided scorecards - all three of them - I wouldn't put it past someone to have spiked Browne's food too. That said, if Browne's food had been spiked, surely he would have noticed the effects of the drug and mentioned it to someone, unless they gave him a dose too small to have much effect, but enough to show up in a test.

[Heretic]

My guess is that they gave him the horse sized dose and hoped for those muscle cramps to kick in.

I think it would be hard to identify witch symptoms are caused by possible drugs and which are caused by excitement for the biggest fight of career. Anxiety, elevated heart rate and hyper activity could be caused by either one.

I don't know what has really happened but this case is far from obvious

[Badhusker]

I remember Fury was super paranoid about getting drugged for his fight vs Wlad. He claimed after the bout for example he refused to touch anything handed to him (unless by his team) for fear it was contaminated with some type of drug that would enter his system though his skin I guess. He said he even waited until back at his hotel room to re-hydrate. It is possible, and the more I think about it, probable.

[littlekinny]

I remember Fury was super paranoid about getting drugged for his fight vs Wlad. He claimed after the bout for example he refused to touch anything handed to him (unless by his team) for fear it was contaminated with some type of drug that would enter his system though his skin I guess. He said he even waited until back at his hotel room to re-hydrate. It is possible, and the more I think about it, probable.

Im no conspiracy theorist but Fury was literally terrified mof having anything and mentioned it numerous times. Wouldnt surprise me if there was something in this. Then again I know jack all about the boxing underworld.

[greg]

...all nice conspiracy theories, fantasies, day dreaming and a lot of wishful thinking , the fact is that the boxer got caught and if the B sample confirms it, he'll have to do a lot of explaining, bs statements won't work

[Chepppaaa]

...all nice conspiracy theories, fantasies, day dreaming and a lot of wishful thinking , the fact is that the boxer got caught and if the B sample confirms it, he'll have to do a lot of explaining, bs statements won't work

exactly everything is transparant and drugging by others never happen













































not

[punchoutsb]

so durodula boxed 21 times in the us and in other countrys such as brasil or nigiria and they never found something, he goes to russia beats clearly one of russias biggest prospects in kudryashov and all of the sudden he was a steriod cheat?

browne fought 23 times in the uk and australia, always clean, he goes 1 time to russia and all of the sudden he took something?

If you think those guys were tested before or after all of their fights, I've got some ocean front property in Luxembourg for you.

I've had over 50 fights between mma, amateur boxing, and one pro bout. Wanna know how many times myself or my opponents were tested? Zero.

Now I'm a powerlifter, and four time state champion in a fed that prides itself on being drug free. I've competed with them for four years and do you want to know how many times I've been tested? Once.

And at drug testing in Brazil and Nigeria.

[Chepppaaa]

so durodula boxed 21 times in the us and in other countrys such as brasil or nigiria and they never found something, he goes to russia beats clearly one of russias biggest prospects in kudryashov and all of the sudden he was a steriod cheat?

browne fought 23 times in the uk and australia, always clean, he goes 1 time to russia and all of the sudden he took something?

If you think those guys were tested before or after all of their fights, I've got some ocean front property in Luxembourg for you.

I've had over 50 fights between mma, amateur boxing, and one pro bout. Wanna know how many times myself or my opponents were tested? Zero.

Now I'm a powerlifter, and four time state champion in a fed that prides itself on being drug free. I've competed with them for four years and do you want to know how many times I've been tested? Once.

And at drug testing in Brazil and Nigeria.

its not mma or amateur boxing, its pro boxing, so i do believe that in the us, uk or australia they test you, these arent poor unorganized countrys such as those you laughing at. it is just strange, that these boxers box in countrys like us or uk and all of the sudden when they go to russia, they all test positive. just doesnt make sense.

normaly russia do what they want to do in terms of riod use..

Russia BANNED from Olympics after athletics federation is suspended
Report by World Anti-Doping Agency claimed Russian athletes failed tests

but in boxing, there are strict rules, you will get tested and they will find something, but only if you beat the russian boxer, if you lose than everything is all right

[punchoutsb]

its not mma or amateur boxing, its pro boxing, so i do believe that in the us, uk or australia they test you, these arent poor unorganized countrys such as those you laughing at. it is just strange, that these boxers box in countrys like us or uk and all of the sudden when they go to russia, they all test positive. just doesnt make sense.

You may believe it, but it's still not true. I've lived in the US and competed in combat sports most of my adult life and drug testing is VERY rare because it's expensive. And it's the small time promoters who have to pay for drugs tests so the fact that the US/UK/OZ government has loads of money has no bearing on anything.

Take Durodola as an example; he was fighting in the Midwest. I can almost guarantee you he's been drug tested two or three times at the most. Fighters fighting at small shows in Missouri, Kansas, Minnesota, or Indiana don't get tested.

[Chepppaaa]

its not mma or amateur boxing, its pro boxing, so i do believe that in the us, uk or australia they test you, these arent poor unorganized countrys such as those you laughing at. it is just strange, that these boxers box in countrys like us or uk and all of the sudden when they go to russia, they all test positive. just doesnt make sense.

You may believe it, but it's still not true. I've lived in the US and competed in combat sports most of my adult life and drug testing is VERY rare because it's expensive. And it's the small time promoters who have to pay for drugs tests so the fact that the US/UK/OZ government has loads of money has no bearing on anything.

Take Durodola as an example; he was fighting in the Midwest. I can almost guarantee you he's been drug tested two or three times at the most. Fighters fighting at small shows in Missouri, Kansas, Minnesota, or Indiana don't get tested.

okay, so in the us they dont test, but in russia they do test

[punchoutsb]

its not mma or amateur boxing, its pro boxing, so i do believe that in the us, uk or australia they test you, these arent poor unorganized countrys such as those you laughing at. it is just strange, that these boxers box in countrys like us or uk and all of the sudden when they go to russia, they all test positive. just doesnt make sense.

You may believe it, but it's still not true. I've lived in the US and competed in combat sports most of my adult life and drug testing is VERY rare because it's expensive. And it's the small time promoters who have to pay for drugs tests so the fact that the US/UK/OZ government has loads of money has no bearing on anything.

Take Durodola as an example; he was fighting in the Midwest. I can almost guarantee you he's been drug tested two or three times at the most. Fighters fighting at small shows in Missouri, Kansas, Minnesota, or Indiana don't get tested.

okay, so in the us they dont test, but in russia they do test

Big events should be getting tested, and all of the fighters you mentioned were involved in big events when they were busted.

You seemed to think that Durodola having 21 previous fights or Browne having 23 previous made some sort of difference. I merely showed you why it did not.

[asdfjkl]

its not mma or amateur boxing, its pro boxing, so i do believe that in the us, uk or australia they test you, these arent poor unorganized countrys such as those you laughing at. it is just strange, that these boxers box in countrys like us or uk and all of the sudden when they go to russia, they all test positive. just doesnt make sense.

normaly russia do what they want to do in terms of riod use..

Russia BANNED from Olympics after athletics federation is suspended
Report by World Anti-Doping Agency claimed Russian athletes failed tests

but in boxing, there are strict rules, you will get tested and they will find something, but only if you beat the russian boxer, if you lose than everything is all right

Let's get real, I have no clue about the answer, but how many times do you think Wilder has been tested before Stiverne?
How many times do you estimate Charles Martin has been tested in his life?

I think that if no boxrec top 70 is involved in a match, the chance of beïng tested at all is about 5% a match.
If the total value of the match is under one million the chance of beïng tested is, I guess about 5%.

Somehow, this is a Beltfight, so now they do test and for an athlete it's perhaps more worth to cheat as well.
I guess the psychologic pressure was just too high for Browne, I didn't see anything like this coming in every case.

[Chepppaaa]

You may believe it, but it's still not true. I've lived in the US and competed in combat sports most of my adult life and drug testing is VERY rare because it's expensive. And it's the small time promoters who have to pay for drugs tests so the fact that the US/UK/OZ government has loads of money has no bearing on anything.

Take Durodola as an example; he was fighting in the Midwest. I can almost guarantee you he's been drug tested two or three times at the most. Fighters fighting at small shows in Missouri, Kansas, Minnesota, or Indiana don't get tested.

okay, so in the us they dont test, but in russia they do test

Big events should be getting tested, and all of the fighters you mentioned were involved in big events when they were busted.

You seemed to think that Durodola having 21 previous fights or Browne having 23 previous made some sort of difference. I merely showed you why it did not.

you showed me nothing. you talked about yourself having some mma fight and amateur fights and 1 pro fight.

than you tell me, i can almost garantee you.......ALMOST

so, basicly what you are saying is, boxers only get tested at big events, such was the case in russia, a world championchip bout or ppv fight etc.

so a WBA Inter-Continental heavyweight title, such browne had against rudenko, that is no big event, that is a small event and small events dont get tested

or the fight browne had against james toney, this was also a small bar fight

dude just stop, it just makes 0 sense, that a country that normaly totaly doesnt give a flying shit about riods, because so many of their athletes took it and russian authorithies just wanted to have their athletes as good as possible.

[punchoutsb]

you showed me nothing. you talked about yourself having some mma fight and amateur fights and 1 pro fight.

than you tell me, i can almost garantee you.......ALMOST

so, basicly what you are saying is, boxers only get tested at big events, such was the case in russia, a world championchip bout or ppv fight etc.

so a WBA Inter-Continental heavyweight title, such browne had against rudenko, that is no big event, that is a small event and small events dont get tested

or the fight browne had against james toney, this was also a small bar fight

dude just stop, it just makes 0 sense, that a country that normaly totaly doesnt give a flying poo about riods, because so many of their athletes took it and russian authorithies just wanted to have their athletes as good as possible.

Small athletic commissions do not require or force promoters to drug test athletes, so unless a promoter is extremely rich and has a whacked sense of morals drug testing does not happen aside from high profile events. Go check out the requirements to put on a pro boxing event in Missouri.

Also, and I know that this may be incredibly difficult for you to believe, but sometimes (just sometimes mind you) people who take drugs don't take them all the time or for their entire lives. I know that it may seem absolutely unbelievable to you that someone could pass a drug test, and then at a later date fail one. Mind blowing, right? But it does happen.

So yes, I did show you.

[greg]

dude just stop, it just makes 0 sense, that a country that normaly totaly doesnt give a flying poo about riods, because so many of their athletes took it and russian authorithies just wanted to have their athletes as good as possible.

...dude , one might find your theory pretty much convincing in a pub over a pint of beer, your arguments won't hold water in ANY serious investigation looking at the specific case at hand...

[Chepppaaa]

you showed me nothing. you talked about yourself having some mma fight and amateur fights and 1 pro fight.

than you tell me, i can almost garantee you.......ALMOST

so, basicly what you are saying is, boxers only get tested at big events, such was the case in russia, a world championchip bout or ppv fight etc.

so a WBA Inter-Continental heavyweight title, such browne had against rudenko, that is no big event, that is a small event and small events dont get tested

or the fight browne had against james toney, this was also a small bar fight

dude just stop, it just makes 0 sense, that a country that normaly totaly doesnt give a flying poo about riods, because so many of their athletes took it and russian authorithies just wanted to have their athletes as good as possible.

Small athletic commissions do not require or force promoters to drug test athletes, so unless a promoter is extremely rich and has a whacked sense of morals drug testing does not happen aside from high profile events. Go check out the requirements to put on a pro boxing event in Missouri.

Also, and I know that this may be incredibly difficult for you to believe, but sometimes (just sometimes mind you) people who take drugs don't take them all the time or for their entire lives. I know that it may seem absolutely unbelievable to you that someone could pass a drug test, and then at a later date fail one. Mind blowing, right? But it does happen.

So yes, I did show you.

you are wrong. you are making up things you have no clue of. also you like to not answer questions i asked you. so ill ask again..

so a WBA Inter-Continental heavyweight title, such browne had against rudenko, that is no big event, that is a small event and small events dont get tested
or the fight browne had against james toney, this was also a small bar fight

bottum line is, you dont know much more than i do. only difference is, that i make more sense, cause again, russia is known for athletes taking riods and having no problem with it, au contraire, the faster, the stronger, the better. but when it comes to boxing than they test, a joke,

and i have no problem with it russian fed being okay with their athletes taking stuff, china, us and europe do the same, but than dont blame browne or durodula for taking stuff when they beat the guys infront of them fair and square.

[punchoutsb]

you are wrong. you are making up things you have no clue of. also you like to not answer questions i asked you. so ill ask again.

so a WBA Inter-Continental heavyweight title, such browne had against rudenko, that is no big event, that is a small event and small events dont get tested
or the fight browne had against james toney, this was also a small bar fight

I haven't made anything up. I've backed my stance with personal anecdotes as well as facts.

I also love to answer questions, but you haven't asked any. Ask away and I'll answer

bottum line is, you dont know much more than i do. only difference is, that i make more sense, cause again, russia is known for athletes taking riods and having no problem with it, au contraire, the faster, the stronger, the better. but when it comes to boxing than they test, a joke,

and i have no problem with it russian fed being okay with their athletes taking stuff, china, us and europe do the same, but than dont blame browne or durodula for taking stuff when they beat the guys infront of them fair and square.

Bottom line is, everyone knows much more than you do. You'd think a "boksing ekspurt" like yourself would know that drug testing is not so commonplace in any country when it comes to small shows (like most of Durodola or Browne's careers), or even some bigger ones. You'd also think that you'd know that previous negative tests is not proof that a positive test is some massive conspiracy.