Lucas Brown Issues Statement

[diddy]

I tend to be one of those people who errs on the side of something called common sense.

Reputable VADA + no RUSADA + Browne looking uncommonly svelte and trim + Browne pops for the very drug that would help make a normally overweight fighter look svelte and trim > Meh, he was framed.

[Ilya Muromets]

Perhaps it's possible the Russians put it in his food/drink?

They weren't above letting the round go longer when Browne was hurt.

Chechens aren't Russians.

[Badhusker]

I hope he proves his innocence. It just doesn't add up. Browne is the one that requested the testing, and why would a heavyweight want or need something to burn fat?

Why do you think? To get lighter and inprove stamina. Why else? Fighting against an old man being lighter and in more agile condition allows you to outlast an older man. And what happened?

Fighting against an old man? I am pretty sure there is less than a year between them age-wise. Kind of shoots your theory down.

[Tony1244]

Perhaps it's possible the Russians put it in his food/drink?

They weren't above letting the round go longer when Browne was hurt.

Chechens aren't Russians.

Sorry. My bad.

[Ilya Muromets]

Sorry. My bad.

Excellent, comrade. Because of your sincere public apology at your show trial you will only be sent to Siberia for three years.

[diddy]

I hope he proves his innocence. It just doesn't add up. Browne is the one that requested the testing, and why would a heavyweight want or need something to burn fat?

Why do you think? To get lighter and inprove stamina. Why else? Fighting against an old man being lighter and in more agile condition allows you to outlast an older man. And what happened?

Fighting against an old man? I am pretty sure there is less than a year between them age-wise. Kind of shoots your theory down.

Oh in that case! He's innocent!!!

[Kurgen22]

Weird overall.
From what I gather on here Browne tested clean before he arrived in Chechnya. I'm not sure how long he was there before the fight, I imagine it was maybe a week or so, just long enough to do some public appearances and get acclimated.
I'm no expert but it sounds like the PED that he popped for would have to be used over a period of time to give him any advantage.
However if he had it slipped into his food by the other Camp it would still show up after the fight. So it would make perfect sence for the Chechyans to slip it to him because 1. Its not going to help Browne because he hasnt taken it long enough. 2. He will pop for it post fight, disqualifying him 3. VADA is just an unwilling stooge for the Chechnyans, they ARE unbiased so it makes the shenannigans work even better.

I actually never followed Browne or saw anything he did up until this fight. The atmosphere of it was surreal. The President of Chechnya, who is in reality nothing more than an ISIS thug who has been tamed by Putin. I looked him up after the fight and he is EXACTLY the kind of shitbag that would go to any legnths to keep the title in his hands. No make no mistake about it, he considers Chagaev his personal fighter.

[Tarkus]

"My team and I were well aware of the many risks involved in going to a place like Chechnya to fight a reigning champion, and believed we had taken sufficient precautions. In addition it was at our insistence that the VADA testing was implemented for the fight."

So much for "an ideal Muslim country". That will teaches him a bloody lesson.

[Kurgen22]

As far as Chagaev I have to wonder why he started his career in the US and then left to fight in Germany, even though he faced a lot of American Journeymen while coming up. I have to wonder if is was a matter of him getting paid better or trying to stick close to his people and culture. I dont think he has ever ventured outside of Germany much. Watching the behavior of his wife after Browne cleaned his clock I don't blame him.

[Grant]

NEVER HEARD OF A B SAMPLE COMING BACK DIFFERENT

[Counter-puncher]

Browne is innocent. He was tested clean before he got to Cheat-chana. It's obvious Russian mafia either slipped something into his bevy or food, or they fixed the test samples..

I think 'Cheatchnya' would serve your purpose rather better, here.

[Heretic]

So Browne got caught of using drug that helps with weight loss that he was clean of week before the trip to Chechnya. Drug that is also known to cause muscle cramps in heavy training.

Yeah sounds legit to me

[Tarkus]

NEVER HEARD OF A B SAMPLE COMING BACK DIFFERENT

Because it never happens. One in thousand. Its a same thing divided in two jars.

[Tarkus]

So Browne got caught of using drug that helps with weight loss that he was clean of week before the trip to Chechnya. Drug that is also known to cause muscle cramps in heavy training.

Yeah sounds legit to me

How do you know about that?

[koolkc107]

So Browne got caught of using drug that helps with weight loss that he was clean of week before the trip to Chechnya. Drug that is also known to cause muscle cramps in heavy training.

Yeah sounds legit to me

How do you know about that?

It's an educated guess and a damned good one, the same assumption Hatton Promotions is making and it is unassailable logic.

A guy under going a VADA protocol should have tested positive for clenbuterol long before he got anywhere Chechnya. And it has absolutely no benefit at all taken one week out.

So, if you are backing Chagaev, and you are hedging your bet or trying to make sure he keeps the belt no matter what happens, meat or other food tainted with the substance is a great way to do it.

[Tony1244]

Sorry. My bad.

Excellent, comrade. Because of your sincere public apology at your show trial you will only be sent to Siberia for three years.

Sounds fair. Chris Rock talking about the recidivism problem in America: "No one goes back to Siberia twice."

[Tarkus]

So Browne got caught of using drug that helps with weight loss that he was clean of week before the trip to Chechnya. Drug that is also known to cause muscle cramps in heavy training.

Yeah sounds legit to me

How do you know about that?

It's an educated guess and a damned good one, the same assumption Hatton Promotions is making and it is unassailable logic.

A guy under going a VADA protocol should have tested positive for clenbuterol long before he got anywhere Chechnya. And it has absolutely no benefit at all taken one week out.

So, if you are backing Chagaev, and you are hedging your bet or trying to make sure he keeps the belt no matter what happens, meat or other food tainted with the substance is a great way to do it.

I highlighted text there for a reason.

[Perseus]

Browne is innocent. He was tested clean before he got to Cheat-chana. It's obvious Russian mafia either slipped something into his bevy or food, or they fixed the test samples. You don't just take something right before a fight expecting it to work miracles. I had a feeling those b_____ds would pull something.

Lucas Browne won fair and square.

So where are these clean test results?
VADA has said nothing about them.
Plus it only takes ONE failed test to negate all previous test results.
The athlete is required to pass ALL drug tests not just some of them.

The burden of proof is always on the ACCUSER.
The accuser now has proof in the form of a failed drug test.
The ball is the Browne court now.

[koolkc107]

Browne is innocent. He was tested clean before he got to Cheat-chana. It's obvious Russian mafia either slipped something into his bevy or food, or they fixed the test samples. You don't just take something right before a fight expecting it to work miracles. I had a feeling those b_____ds would pull something.

Lucas Browne won fair and square.

So where are these clean test results?
VADA has said nothing about them.
Plus it only takes ONE failed test to negate all previous test results.
The athlete is required to pass ALL drug tests not just some of them.

The burden of proof is always on the ACCUSER.
The accuser now has proof in the form of a failed drug test.
The ball is the Browne court now.

If Browne was dirty before he got to the venue, VADA would have reported it
and we probably would not even have had a fight. VADA is the agency that outed
Lamont Peterson's use of testosterone (later found to be therapeutic), which nixed the rematch with Khan.

[koolkc107]

Follow this.

Here is a report quoting a VADA spokesperson:

Browne, 36, has tested positive for a banned substance, according to a letter received by ESPN and published in part on Monday, whilst VADA are insistent that any information obtained would not have been directly sourced from them.

“I can confirm we tested both Mr. Chagaev and Mr. Browne the week of the fight and post-fight per a request from representatives of the BDB (German Boxing Commission),” VADA exclusively told World Boxing News.

“VADA does not release results to the public, so any information regarding results would have to be obtained from the commission, the athletes or their representatives.”

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/03/ ... st-results

But most or all of the reports of the failed test say it was only the POST-FIGHT sample that came back positive...

Heavyweight Lucas Browne, who on March 5 knocked out Ruslan Chagaev in the 10th round to win a secondary heavyweight world title in Grozny, Russia, failed his postfight drug test and likely will be stripped of the belt and have the result changed to a no-decision.

ESPN.com obtained a copy of the letter in which VADA president Dr. Margaret Goodman wrote, "This letter is to advise you that the 'A' sample urine specimen number 2998060 collected from Lucas Browne ... has been analyzed for anabolic agents, diuretics, beta-2 agonists and stimulants. The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen contains Clenbuterol."

Goodman went on to write, "Mr. Browne has the right to promptly request analysis of the 'B' sample at his expense."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15 ... an-chagaev

...meaning all the ones taken before, even earlier that week, came back NEGATIVE.

[Perseus]

Follow this.

Here is a report quoting a VADA spokesperson:

Browne, 36, has tested positive for a banned substance, according to a letter received by ESPN and published in part on Monday, whilst VADA are insistent that any information obtained would not have been directly sourced from them.

“I can confirm we tested both Mr. Chagaev and Mr. Browne the week of the fight and post-fight per a request from representatives of the BDB (German Boxing Commission),” VADA exclusively told World Boxing News.

“VADA does not release results to the public, so any information regarding results would have to be obtained from the commission, the athletes or their representatives.”

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/03/ ... st-results

But most or all of the reports of the failed test say it was only the POST-FIGHT sample that came back positive...

Heavyweight Lucas Browne, who on March 5 knocked out Ruslan Chagaev in the 10th round to win a secondary heavyweight world title in Grozny, Russia, failed his postfight drug test and likely will be stripped of the belt and have the result changed to a no-decision.

ESPN.com obtained a copy of the letter in which VADA president Dr. Margaret Goodman wrote, "This letter is to advise you that the 'A' sample urine specimen number 2998060 collected from Lucas Browne ... has been analyzed for anabolic agents, diuretics, beta-2 agonists and stimulants. The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen contains Clenbuterol."

Goodman went on to write, "Mr. Browne has the right to promptly request analysis of the 'B' sample at his expense."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15 ... an-chagaev

...meaning all the ones taken before, even earlier that week, came back NEGATIVE.

Yeah and????

Previous test being negative mean exactly nothing.
It only takes ONE failed test.
It's not a best 3 of 5 situation or 9 out of 10.
It's clean every time or you have to provide a verifiable explanation.

The guy failing drug tests doesn't get to just accuse everybody else of foul play and be declared innocent.
He has to show some proof.
Saying the boogey man did it is not proof.

Previous test being clean is not proof that somebody tampered with your dirty test.
It COULD mean that, it is certainly a possibility but there is exactly zero proof of it at the moment.
It COULD also mean(gasp) a professional athlete used Clenbuterol.

[koolkc107]

Follow this.

Here is a report quoting a VADA spokesperson:

Browne, 36, has tested positive for a banned substance, according to a letter received by ESPN and published in part on Monday, whilst VADA are insistent that any information obtained would not have been directly sourced from them.

“I can confirm we tested both Mr. Chagaev and Mr. Browne the week of the fight and post-fight per a request from representatives of the BDB (German Boxing Commission),” VADA exclusively told World Boxing News.

“VADA does not release results to the public, so any information regarding results would have to be obtained from the commission, the athletes or their representatives.”

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/03/ ... st-results

But most or all of the reports of the failed test say it was only the POST-FIGHT sample that came back positive...

Heavyweight Lucas Browne, who on March 5 knocked out Ruslan Chagaev in the 10th round to win a secondary heavyweight world title in Grozny, Russia, failed his postfight drug test and likely will be stripped of the belt and have the result changed to a no-decision.

ESPN.com obtained a copy of the letter in which VADA president Dr. Margaret Goodman wrote, "This letter is to advise you that the 'A' sample urine specimen number 2998060 collected from Lucas Browne ... has been analyzed for anabolic agents, diuretics, beta-2 agonists and stimulants. The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen contains Clenbuterol."

Goodman went on to write, "Mr. Browne has the right to promptly request analysis of the 'B' sample at his expense."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15 ... an-chagaev

...meaning all the ones taken before, even earlier that week, came back NEGATIVE.

Yeah and????

Previous test being negative mean exactly nothing.
It only takes ONE failed test.
It's not a best 3 of 5 situation or 9 out of 10.
It's clean every time or you have to provide a verifiable explanation.

The guy failing drug tests doesn't get to just accuse everybody else of foul play and be declared innocent.
He has to show some proof.
Saying the boogey man did it is not proof.

Previous test being clean is not proof that somebody tampered with your dirty test.
It COULD mean that, it is certainly a possibility but there is exactly zero proof of it at the moment.
It COULD also mean(gasp) a professional athlete used Clenbuterol.

He did a VADA protocol throughout a training camp. No problem.

He was tested less than a week before the fight. No problem.

All of those came back kosher so the fight proceeded.

But then he fails the post-fight?

And you don't see anything fishy about that?

[Taki...]

Follow this.

Here is a report quoting a VADA spokesperson:

Browne, 36, has tested positive for a banned substance, according to a letter received by ESPN and published in part on Monday, whilst VADA are insistent that any information obtained would not have been directly sourced from them.

“I can confirm we tested both Mr. Chagaev and Mr. Browne the week of the fight and post-fight per a request from representatives of the BDB (German Boxing Commission),” VADA exclusively told World Boxing News.

“VADA does not release results to the public, so any information regarding results would have to be obtained from the commission, the athletes or their representatives.”

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/03/ ... st-results

But most or all of the reports of the failed test say it was only the POST-FIGHT sample that came back positive...

Heavyweight Lucas Browne, who on March 5 knocked out Ruslan Chagaev in the 10th round to win a secondary heavyweight world title in Grozny, Russia, failed his postfight drug test and likely will be stripped of the belt and have the result changed to a no-decision.

ESPN.com obtained a copy of the letter in which VADA president Dr. Margaret Goodman wrote, "This letter is to advise you that the 'A' sample urine specimen number 2998060 collected from Lucas Browne ... has been analyzed for anabolic agents, diuretics, beta-2 agonists and stimulants. The results of the analysis are as follows: Adverse. Urine specimen contains Clenbuterol."

Goodman went on to write, "Mr. Browne has the right to promptly request analysis of the 'B' sample at his expense."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/15 ... an-chagaev

...meaning all the ones taken before, even earlier that week, came back NEGATIVE.

Yeah and????

Previous test being negative mean exactly nothing.
It only takes ONE failed test.
It's not a best 3 of 5 situation or 9 out of 10.
It's clean every time or you have to provide a verifiable explanation.

The guy failing drug tests doesn't get to just accuse everybody else of foul play and be declared innocent.
He has to show some proof.
Saying the boogey man did it is not proof.

Previous test being clean is not proof that somebody tampered with your dirty test.
It COULD mean that, it is certainly a possibility but there is exactly zero proof of it at the moment.
It COULD also mean(gasp) a professional athlete used Clenbuterol.

Spot on. IF dopers tested positive every time they were tested sport wouldn't have a problem with drugs.
Given the range and scope of prohibited substances -- added to the fact many are contained in widely available food and medical products -- it should be inconceivable that any elite athlete could be spiked in 2016.

[koolkc107]

No, it isn't spot on.

Actually, that thinking is rather obtuse.

If you test clean for months, even get to the venue and pass a test taken there
and then all of a sudden test dirty for something that could not have possibly helped
you gain any advantage in the fight in so short a span of time but is also sure to get
you a DQ, any sane person's alarm bells should be ringing loud and long.


He passed EVERY RANDOM TEST in training camp.
He took a test in Chechnya AND PASSED IT.

Meaning whatever he tested positive for post-fight HE MOST LIKE INGESTED WITHIN DAYS OF THE FIGHT OR RIGHT BEFORE IT!!!

Think people!

[punchoutsb]

Folks can't ever use common sense when it comes to performance enhancing drugs, so I know asking for common sense is too much to ask but...

Clen is a fat loss drug that jacks up your blood pressure, raises your internal body temp to dangerously (sometimes deadly) high levels, increases breathing rate, and generally makes you feel like you're going to die. It is not an effective energy supplement, and it's effects on protein synthesis are minimal even when compared to something like a test suspension that's out of your system in 2-3 days.

Why would a fighter take a drug like this before a fight? It remains in your system for less than a week, so he would have needed to do it somewhat close to fight time. The ONLY "logical" reason is to perhaps drop another few kilos right before the fight, but would you really risk getting caught and the side effects that could negatively effect your performance just for a few kilos more?

"Man I love sweating my arse off and feeling like I'm going to have a heart attack before I even make my entrance!"

I'm not saying he didn't do it, I personally believe that all top athletes and the majority of lower and mid level athletes are all on something. There's too much money at stake these days. I am saying that it doesn't make sense to have taken this specific drug like he supposedly did. So it's either an accident, or somebody on his team is really, really stupid.