Eubanks' lack of power a direct cause of Blackwell's injuries?

[Anzi]

As backward and illogical as the subject sounds, Eubank (generally agreed an average puncher) and his lack of power contributed massively to the brain bleed? In theory would a clean KO within the first 3 produced a different result, Blackwell being able to dust himself down and move on?

It appeared to me that Eubank hit hard enough to stun/force Blackwell on to the Blackfoot but nothing that could seriously hurt him (at the time, that would result in a stoppage), so a prolonged beating ensued....

So what have we learned? Accumulation of punches is just as dangerous as taking one flush on the jaw off one of the freak punchers, GGG, Kovalev, Stevenson to name a few. Would a move to 12lb gloves for 147+ and 10+ for <147Lb, a 2 lb increase, prevent this scenario? Or would this risk sanatising the sport, as after all Amatuer boxing is an option for those who don't want to take risks like the pro's, whatever the outcome I think more could be done to prevent this, whether that is to do with gloves/more energy absorbant handwraps (just a theory that one) or maybe another method.

Too many people are obsessed with power, Eubank hits hard enough, you only have to look at the injuries to Blackwells face, it was the Bravery of Blackwell, the corner, the Ref combined to push the fight to the edge, if anything Eubank jr threw too many punches and his combinations were to long, it took a lot of the power out of the shots.

[magwitch]

In amateur scoring don't they have something (this might be Olympics only) where if 3 judges from 5 depress a button then a punch is registered?
How about a system whereby if a fighter falls a certain number of punches "in debit" to his opponent, then a buzzer sounds and the fight is over? This would remove the element of human error.
It was counted I believe that Joe Calzaghe hit Jeff Lacy over 1000 times. Thankfully Jeff was okay but under this system, it would have been (correctly) over as a complete rout after about 4 or 5 rounds.
Do I think the above will ever happen? Of course not. But from a purely boxing pov it does make sense as the ART of the sport is to hit and not be hit. However, a lot of TV men and fans are only too happy with a "hit and be hit" model.

[Hinchy70]

As backward and illogical as the subject sounds, Eubank (generally agreed an average puncher) and his lack of power contributed massively to the brain bleed? In theory would a clean KO within the first 3 produced a different result, Blackwell being able to dust himself down and move on?

It appeared to me that Eubank hit hard enough to stun/force Blackwell on to the Blackfoot but nothing that could seriously hurt him (at the time, that would result in a stoppage), so a prolonged beating ensued....

So what have we learned? Accumulation of punches is just as dangerous as taking one flush on the jaw off one of the freak punchers, GGG, Kovalev, Stevenson to name a few. Would a move to 12lb gloves for 147+ and 10+ for <147Lb, a 2 lb increase, prevent this scenario? Or would this risk sanatising the sport, as after all Amatuer boxing is an option for those who don't want to take risks like the pro's, whatever the outcome I think more could be done to prevent this, whether that is to do with gloves/more energy absorbant handwraps (just a theory that one) or maybe another method.

Too many people are obsessed with power, Eubank hits hard enough, you only have to look at the injuries to Blackwells face, it was the Bravery of Blackwell, the corner, the Ref combined to push the fight to the edge, if anything Eubank jr threw too many punches and his combinations were to long, it took a lot of the power out of the shots.

I think you missed my point, if Eubank had the power to knock Blackwell clean out, the resulting not injury may not have occurred

[Tomasino]

Street fighter was awesome though wasn't it? The film was heavy gay right enough!

I wouldn't be surprised if Eubank shouts "FINISH HIM" every time he throws a shot. His mouth is normally wide open after all

That Indian bloke would've made for a good boxer with his 200inch reach!

Dhalsim, he'd need to keep the Yoga Fire to himself tho.

[Tomasino]

In amateur scoring don't they have something (this might be Olympics only) where if 3 judges from 5 depress a button then a punch is registered?
How about a system whereby if a fighter falls a certain number of punches "in debit" to his opponent, then a buzzer sounds and the fight is over? This would remove the element of human error.
It was counted I believe that Joe Calzaghe hit Jeff Lacy over 1000 times. Thankfully Jeff was okay but under this system, it would have been (correctly) over as a complete rout after about 4 or 5 rounds.
Do I think the above will ever happen? Of course not. But from a purely boxing pov it does make sense as the ART of the sport is to hit and not be hit. However, a lot of TV men and fans are only too happy with a "hit and be hit" model.

I've won an amateur fight in that way, in 2000. Fight was stopped at end of second round.

[Oiky]

yes, its definitely fair to say that a one punch ko will not be half as bad as the build up of punches blackwell took saturday night.

god bless him, warrior, wish him the best recovery

[Counter-puncher]

It was counted I believe that Joe Calzaghe hit Jeff Lacy over 1000 times..

no it wasn't. it was counted that Calzaghe threw over a thousand punches, which he himself then managed to turn into 'i hit him over a thousand times'; which, when you think about it, is unlikely.

[jamesmcdonnell]

As backward and illogical as the subject sounds, Eubank (generally agreed an average puncher) and his lack of power contributed massively to the brain bleed? In theory would a clean KO within the first 3 produced a different result, Blackwell being able to dust himself down and move on?

It appeared to me that Eubank hit hard enough to stun/force Blackwell on to the Blackfoot but nothing that could seriously hurt him (at the time, that would result in a stoppage), so a prolonged beating ensued....

So what have we learned? Accumulation of punches is just as dangerous as taking one flush on the jaw off one of the freak punchers, GGG, Kovalev, Stevenson to name a few. Would a move to 12lb gloves for 147+ and 10+ for <147Lb, a 2 lb increase, prevent this scenario? Or would this risk sanatising the sport, as after all Amatuer boxing is an option for those who don't want to take risks like the pro's, whatever the outcome I think more could be done to prevent this, whether that is to do with gloves/more energy absorbant handwraps (just a theory that one) or maybe another method.

Too many people are obsessed with power, Eubank hits hard enough, you only have to look at the injuries to Blackwells face, it was the Bravery of Blackwell, the corner, the Ref combined to push the fight to the edge, if anything Eubank jr threw too many punches and his combinations were to long, it took a lot of the power out of the shots.

I think you missed my point, if Eubank had the power to knock Blackwell clean out, the resulting not injury may not have occurred

Yes, most of the deaths or life changing injuries I've witnessed over the years, have been from prolonged beatings, and often happen late in the fight when a fighter is tired and possibly dehydrated from their exertions. Bleeds on the brain occur from the brain being forced against the cranium from the force of the blow, the more often a fighter takes flush shots to the head, the more likely this is to occur.

[Anzi]

As backward and illogical as the subject sounds, Eubank (generally agreed an average puncher) and his lack of power contributed massively to the brain bleed? In theory would a clean KO within the first 3 produced a different result, Blackwell being able to dust himself down and move on?

It appeared to me that Eubank hit hard enough to stun/force Blackwell on to the Blackfoot but nothing that could seriously hurt him (at the time, that would result in a stoppage), so a prolonged beating ensued....

So what have we learned? Accumulation of punches is just as dangerous as taking one flush on the jaw off one of the freak punchers, GGG, Kovalev, Stevenson to name a few. Would a move to 12lb gloves for 147+ and 10+ for <147Lb, a 2 lb increase, prevent this scenario? Or would this risk sanatising the sport, as after all Amatuer boxing is an option for those who don't want to take risks like the pro's, whatever the outcome I think more could be done to prevent this, whether that is to do with gloves/more energy absorbant handwraps (just a theory that one) or maybe another method.

Too many people are obsessed with power, Eubank hits hard enough, you only have to look at the injuries to Blackwells face, it was the Bravery of Blackwell, the corner, the Ref combined to push the fight to the edge, if anything Eubank jr threw too many punches and his combinations were to long, it took a lot of the power out of the shots.

I think you missed my point, if Eubank had the power to knock Blackwell clean out, the resulting not injury may not have occurred

Simakov died after a fight with Kovalev, one of your freak punchers, he beat on him for 7 rounds, until the ref jumped in and Provodnikov smashed Bradley all over the ring for 12 rounds, flooring him several times and having him out on his feet, Bradley suffered slurred speech, headaces and blinking for weeks after that fight, it is down to the bravery /toughness of the fighter more then the puncher, combined with the ref/ corner not stopping the fight.

[magwitch]

It was counted I believe that Joe Calzaghe hit Jeff Lacy over 1000 times..

no it wasn't. it was counted that Calzaghe threw over a thousand punches, which he himself then managed to turn into 'i hit him over a thousand times'; which, when you think about it, is unlikely.

I didn't count them myself I went by what Calzaghe said you are correct. I also don't remember Joe missing with many that night.

[Hinchy70]

Too many people are obsessed with power, Eubank hits hard enough, you only have to look at the injuries to Blackwells face, it was the Bravery of Blackwell, the corner, the Ref combined to push the fight to the edge, if anything Eubank jr threw too many punches and his combinations were to long, it took a lot of the power out of the shots.

I think you missed my point, if Eubank had the power to knock Blackwell clean out, the resulting not injury may not have occurred

Simakov died after a fight with Kovalev, one of your freak punchers, he beat on him for 7 rounds, until the ref jumped in and Provodnikov smashed Bradley all over the ring for 12 rounds, flooring him several times and having him out on his feet, Bradley suffered slurred speech, headaces and blinking for weeks after that fight, it is down to the bravery /toughness of the fighter more then the puncher, combined with the ref/ corner not stopping the fight.

Exactly, Bradley suffered after a prolonged beating? I don't see your point, you're trying to counter my point with exactly my point? Just read my OP

[Anzi]

I think you missed my point, if Eubank had the power to knock Blackwell clean out, the resulting not injury may not have occurred

Simakov died after a fight with Kovalev, one of your freak punchers, he beat on him for 7 rounds, until the ref jumped in and Provodnikov smashed Bradley all over the ring for 12 rounds, flooring him several times and having him out on his feet, Bradley suffered slurred speech, headaces and blinking for weeks after that fight, it is down to the bravery /toughness of the fighter more then the puncher, combined with the ref/ corner not stopping the fight.

Exactly, Bradley suffered after a prolonged beating? I don't see your point, you're trying to counter my point with exactly my point? Just read my OP

You are contradicting yourself, according to you big punchers like Kovalev would ko you earlier, with less chance of brain damage, Provodnikov is a big puncher as well, same thing, your whole point, was that Eubank is not a big puncher, that he gave him a prolonged beating, because he did not have one punch power to finish him early, yet has I have proved even big punchers can have the same problem, as I have said, it is down to too much bravery, the ref and the corner, you need to think again, instead of justifying what ?

[Offal]

I think until Nick is out of the coma all this conjecture about what type of beating inflicts the greatest damage to a fighter is in pretty poor taste gents.

Its' a dangerous sport no matter what safeguards are in place, sometimes fighters get hurt whether it be from a single blow or a sustained beating.

He's had a tough career Nick, look at his record he's been matched hard (possibly too hard) from day one and his style was not one conducive to longevity.

I think everyone's primary concern now should be Nick making a full recovery, without any long term problems and rebuilding his life without the sport he loves.