How do you beat Ward's style?

[koolkc107]

I am no expert but I see what I see and here is my two cents.

The Ward we saw last weekend would likely have a few problems with Kovalev defensively.

Sergei would catch Ward just like Sullivan did and likely with harder shots.

But, that isn't saying Kovalev would have definitely beat the Ward we saw.

Between the Pascal fights and one other I will mention soon, even that Ward would have an excellent chance to win.

And with another tune-up, Andre will be that much sharper.

The fight that sticks in my mind is Sergei's domination of BHop.

Watch that fight. And think on this.

Even the BHop of just 8 years ago would have made that a completely different fight.
Bernard's problem in the fight was the lack of speed and reflex to execute his gameplan.
With a guy like Sergei, you must be able to counter hard when he comes in, and as sure
as death and taxes, Sergei WILL be coming sooner or later. Bernard just could not pull
the trigger on shots he needed to and let Sergei establish his jab early.

Well, Ward is not 50 years old and does an awful lot of the same things Bernard does.

If I am right, and by no means am I saying that I am, then Sergei is going to
have his work cut for him when they finally meet. He has never faced someone like Ward.

I can't pick a winner right now, but I stand by what I have said about this fight.

The winner will be undisputed P4P #1 in the world.

[Pureist]

Come on numbskull, the topic is how to beat ward, not ramble on with crap, get technical expert

[Chepppaaa]

So true. In the Manny fight, Floyd would duck down and hold Manny on the ropes and was never warned once for it. Imagine if Floyd didn't get to pick the ref and judges every fight? We saw what happened in the first fight with Maidana. The ref actually called it fairly for once and Floyd struggled through the whole fight. Thank god he had the judges in his pocket too as a backup insurance measure.

exactly. i mean, if excessive holding, clinching or wrestlng would be legal in boxing, than i would say mayweather won, but yet still i dont like his fighting style. but it is not legal and the bought refs, they act if excessive holding is okay, they simply change the rules book and most boxing fans have no clue about rules, so it is okay to them, they simple dont know better. but proffessional refferys and jduges, they should know better, its their job to know better, turning the had 180, clinching as soon as you're opponent comes close to you is illegal, delivering one punch and than hold the arm of your opponent with your elbow is illegal.

In all of the fights that i've seen holding penalized by the ref, the fights were awesome. Boxers like Ward and Floyd actually work on this in camp and it's part of their strategy. How many times have you seen Floyd throw that sneaky straight right hand lead and then immediately clutch right after he throws it? Floyd and Ward's whole game plan is a series of small combos followed by a clutch to avoid any counters. They are so fast that if the ref isn't calling it, they could do it all night long.

Let's face it, Maidana is a blast to watch but he's NOT even close to an elite fighter. If someone else with more skill was in the ring that night when Floyd didn't have the ref protecting him, I think Floyd's streak would have been snapped. Tony Weeks called a great fight that night and what did he get for it? Floyd complained during...after....and then wouldn't get inside the ring again unless Bayless was working the fight. Then we saw the disgusting job Bayless did in the second Maidana fight. Putrid. He was breaking them up at times when they weren't even touching each other. The most disgusting ref job i've ever seen in my life.

dude, you totaly nailed it. that were the main reasons why i made a thread year ago or so, were i said why boxing would be better without guys like wlad, mayweather and ward.

exactly like you said it, they punch, than immediatly clinch and hold (with the arm or elbow).......people who know not much about boxing say it is technical mastership, i say, its illegal and when done excessive its a DQ, thats it.

shame on bayless, he used to be the best ref in boxing period, but with the maidana 2 fight he completly destroyed his status.

[SFW]

Ward is going to win, I can't wait til the day these crybabies in here have to at least pretend to man up and face it. Still whining about head butts from years ago, still weeping about clinching, bawling about opposition. Clear signs of concern lol. That's logical though, should be worried.

[ikorolev]

Ward is going to win, I can't wait til the day these crybabies in here have to at least pretend to man up and face it. Still whining about head butts from years ago, still weeping about clinching, bawling about opposition. Clear signs of concern lol. That's logical though, should be worried.

Ward ends that fight face down or never gets into the ring with Kova.

[SFW]

Ward is going to win, I can't wait til the day these crybabies in here have to at least pretend to man up and face it. Still whining about head butts from years ago, still weeping about clinching, bawling about opposition. Clear signs of concern lol. That's logical though, should be worried.

Ward ends that fight face down or never gets into the ring with Kova.

That's possible, fights can end like that. But he couldn't stop a 50 year old man that didn't even try to fight back, hit him +160 times. And the old man just stuck his toungue out when it was over lol. Sorry to burst your bubble but your vision is a fantasy. Always will be.

[ikorolev]

Ward is going to win, I can't wait til the day these crybabies in here have to at least pretend to man up and face it. Still whining about head butts from years ago, still weeping about clinching, bawling about opposition. Clear signs of concern lol. That's logical though, should be worried.

Ward ends that fight face down or never gets into the ring with Kova.

That's possible, fights can end like that. But he couldn't stop a 50 year old man that didn't even try to fight back, hit him +160 times. And the old man just stuck his toungue out when it was over lol. Sorry to burst your bubble but your vision is a fantasy. Always will be.

The old man has an outstanding chin and correct, all he was trying to do is to survive. If Ward does the same and spends the whole fight sniffing Kovalev's balls, he may survive.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I am no expert but I see what I see and here is my two cents.

The Ward we saw last weekend would likely have a few problems with Kovalev defensively.

Sergei would catch Ward just like Sullivan did and likely with harder shots.

But, that isn't saying Kovalev would have definitely beat the Ward we saw.

Between the Pascal fights and one other I will mention soon, even that Ward would have an excellent chance to win.

And with another tune-up, Andre will be that much sharper.

The fight that sticks in my mind is Sergei's domination of BHop.

Watch that fight. And think on this.

Even the BHop of just 8 years ago would have made that a completely different fight.
Bernard's problem in the fight was the lack of speed and reflex to execute his gameplan.
With a guy like Sergei, you must be able to counter hard when he comes in, and as sure
as death and taxes, Sergei WILL be coming sooner or later. Bernard just could not pull
the trigger on shots he needed to and let Sergei establish his jab early.

Well, Ward is not 50 years old and does an awful lot of the same things Bernard does.

If I am right, and by no means am I saying that I am, then Sergei is going to
have his work cut for him when they finally meet. He has never faced someone like Ward.

I can't pick a winner right now, but I stand by what I have said about this fight.

The winner will be undisputed P4P #1 in the world.

Good post - Ward is very crafty, just like Hopkins, and is at his peak physically or thereabouts. He is technically correct, sneaky, and hard to nail cleanly - he is also good at disrupting his opponent's offence, just like Bernard.

I think it will be a close bout whoever wins, if Kovalev does dominate, I think Ward will have spots where he has success and also limits Kovalev's output, I just don't see him getting flattened by anyone around that weight, though of course it's possible.

[SFW]

Ward ends that fight face down or never gets into the ring with Kova.

That's possible, fights can end like that. But he couldn't stop a 50 year old man that didn't even try to fight back, hit him +160 times. And the old man just stuck his toungue out when it was over lol. Sorry to burst your bubble but your vision is a fantasy. Always will be.

The old man has an outstanding chin and correct, all he was trying to do is to survive. If Ward does the same and spends the whole fight sniffing Kovalev's balls, he may survive.

Ignoring the important part huh.. hit a basically defenseless senior citizen 160 times, with absolutely nothing to fear coming back at him, and still couldn't get a stoppage. He will not stop Ward no matter how hard you spunk your Kovalev pillow sheets. I like them both but it's just not gonna happen how you and the rest of the dreamers think it is.

[Bard of Boxrec]

That's possible, fights can end like that. But he couldn't stop a 50 year old man that didn't even try to fight back, hit him +160 times. And the old man just stuck his toungue out when it was over lol. Sorry to burst your bubble but your vision is a fantasy. Always will be.

The old man has an outstanding chin and correct, all he was trying to do is to survive. If Ward does the same and spends the whole fight sniffing Kovalev's balls, he may survive.

Ignoring the important part huh.. hit a basically defenseless senior citizen 160 times, with absolutely nothing to fear coming back at him, and still couldn't get a stoppage. He will not stop Ward no matter how hard you spunk your Kovalev pillow sheets. I like them both but it's just not gonna happen how you and the rest of the dreamers think it is.

Yes, because not stopping Hopkins tells us all we need to know about Kovalev not being a huge puncher

Can't wait for Ward to be krushed.

[SFW]

Hopkins now and who he used to be are very different aren't they... I'm glad you get to see your fantasy dissolve right in front of your eyes. You clowns have been working on your excuses long enough headbutt wah clinch wah holding waaaaah. Enjoy that fantasy as long as you can.

[Badhusker]

Ward does have a tough style to beat, but Kovalev may have it. Ward kind of reminds me of BHop sometimes, and Kovalev handled him. If I were to give Ward an advantage anywhere,and where Kovalev needs to improve, it would be fighting in close. Ward is hard to hit, and does make you pay. Kovalev has great balance, sits on his shots well, and cuts off the ring well. Ward does need to use his right more, but never had to with Barerra. Ward has good pop in his punches too, so it will be interesting to see if it makes Kovalev more cautious or not coming in. Both are solid, and give Kovalev the punching advantage, but Ward the ring IQ advantage.

B Hop fought people Ward does not fight anyone and has not in almost half a decade. He is overrated and one of the last boxers that Americans can hang onto so they will do so at all costs.

Are you really that damn dumb?

[BAD INTENTIONS]

woulder how many L guys like floyd, wlad and ward would have if the ref would apply the rules of boxing. povetkin, castillo, maidana would be 3 100 % losses.

They would all have zero more losses.

How many less championships would Jordan have had if the referees didn't favor him?
Conversations like that are only sustained by haters. At some point, you have to admit greatness.

[caldo2025]

exactly. i mean, if excessive holding, clinching or wrestlng would be legal in boxing, than i would say mayweather won, but yet still i dont like his fighting style. but it is not legal and the bought refs, they act if excessive holding is okay, they simply change the rules book and most boxing fans have no clue about rules, so it is okay to them, they simple dont know better. but proffessional refferys and jduges, they should know better, its their job to know better, turning the had 180, clinching as soon as you're opponent comes close to you is illegal, delivering one punch and than hold the arm of your opponent with your elbow is illegal.

In all of the fights that i've seen holding penalized by the ref, the fights were awesome. Boxers like Ward and Floyd actually work on this in camp and it's part of their strategy. How many times have you seen Floyd throw that sneaky straight right hand lead and then immediately clutch right after he throws it? Floyd and Ward's whole game plan is a series of small combos followed by a clutch to avoid any counters. They are so fast that if the ref isn't calling it, they could do it all night long.

Let's face it, Maidana is a blast to watch but he's NOT even close to an elite fighter. If someone else with more skill was in the ring that night when Floyd didn't have the ref protecting him, I think Floyd's streak would have been snapped. Tony Weeks called a great fight that night and what did he get for it? Floyd complained during...after....and then wouldn't get inside the ring again unless Bayless was working the fight. Then we saw the disgusting job Bayless did in the second Maidana fight. Putrid. He was breaking them up at times when they weren't even touching each other. The most disgusting ref job i've ever seen in my life.

dude, you totaly nailed it. that were the main reasons why i made a thread year ago or so, were i said why boxing would be better without guys like wlad, mayweather and ward.

exactly like you said it, they punch, than immediatly clinch and hold (with the arm or elbow).......people who know not much about boxing say it is technical mastership, i say, its illegal and when done excessive its a DQ, thats it.

shame on bayless, he used to be the best ref in boxing period, but with the maidana 2 fight he completly destroyed his status.

Then you and I try to explain this to the Floyd contingent on this site and it's impossible. Like their hero, they get all defensive and won't even consider what an opposing view could bring to a discussion. Those discussions end up being like a typical Floyd fight, boring and a waste of time.

But this is the main reason why I can't name Floyd as one of the all time greats. I'll be the first one to say that he should have been an all time great but how do we know? To asset Floyd into that ATG list is an insult to the boxers that let it all hang out for greatness to see how great they could be. It's the kind of thing that GGG and Kovalev have. They crave dance partners that will test them and they aren't afraid to lose a fight. They want to fight the best and they want to be pushed.

Floyd was perfectly happy with winning a fight by a round or two or split decision. He knew that all that he had to do was make the final bell and the judges he paid prior had it covered. When fans look back at great boxers they remember the spectacular knockouts and the epic battles when the best met the best. When people remember Floyd what will they remember? The shoulder roll...oh, that's exciting.

[Evander]

When it comes to Ward v Kovalev I'm more in line with thinking the style match up will favour Ward, it's the power Sergey possess that maybe the biggest obstacle Ward has to overcome.

[Undefeated49-0]

Ward has a beard against one of the worst divisions in boxing, the Super Middleweight Division. Big Deal. He's never seen anything like Kovalev and that's why Ward is begging for as many tune ups as he can get. At this rate, Ward should be ready by 2024. lol. You can't beat Kovalev without a right hand. That short left Ward throws is a nice punch but you can't win a fight against a complete boxer like Kovalev. If Barrera can bust up Ward's face and land that slow jab, he better get some insurance out prior to his fight with the Krusher. I'll bet you what ever you want bro. You say it and i'll match. For real.

Loser (YOU) leave the forum, deal?? Never to return again under no circumstances, name change and all.

Deal??

[Pureist]

How many times have you already been booted brut, only to return again , your bets are as see thru as your agenda

[Lancenix]

Ward does have a tough style to beat, but Kovalev may have it. Ward kind of reminds me of BHop sometimes, and Kovalev handled him. If I were to give Ward an advantage anywhere,and where Kovalev needs to improve, it would be fighting in close. Ward is hard to hit, and does make you pay. Kovalev has great balance, sits on his shots well, and cuts off the ring well. Ward does need to use his right more, but never had to with Barerra. Ward has good pop in his punches too, so it will be interesting to see if it makes Kovalev more cautious or not coming in. Both are solid, and give Kovalev the punching advantage, but Ward the ring IQ advantage.

B Hop fought people Ward does not fight anyone and has not in almost half a decade. He is overrated and one of the last boxers that Americans can hang onto so they will do so at all costs.

Are you really that damn dumb?

That is the truth. Who has he beaten in the last 4 years? No one!

[Lancenix]

Ward has a beard against one of the worst divisions in boxing, the Super Middleweight Division. Big Deal. He's never seen anything like Kovalev and that's why Ward is begging for as many tune ups as he can get. At this rate, Ward should be ready by 2024. lol. You can't beat Kovalev without a right hand. That short left Ward throws is a nice punch but you can't win a fight against a complete boxer like Kovalev. If Barrera can bust up Ward's face and land that slow jab, he better get some insurance out prior to his fight with the Krusher. I'll bet you what ever you want bro. You say it and i'll match. For real.

Loser (YOU) leave the forum, deal?? Never to return again under no circumstances, name change and all.

Deal??

Kovalev is gonna mop him. I want you to leave the forum if Krusher wins. The truth is the American coward will never get in with Krusher anyways. But if Krusher wins Undefeated agrees to go??

[Evander]

If it were a perfect world Ward would buy 5 months to heal proper and go straight into a Kovalev fight in November and be done with it.
Anything in between may f__k things up.
We don't get many opportunities to big up our elite and this is a massive fight .

[SFW]

When it comes to Ward v Kovalev I'm more in line with thinking the style match up will favour Ward, it's the power Sergey possess that maybe the biggest obstacle Ward has to overcome.

This exactly. Ward definitely can't leave an opening because even a glancing shot from Kovalev will have an impact. But the counters will be there all night. The amount of times Ward is going to hit Kovalev will be the suprise of the night, because it's gonna be a lot.

[Evander]

Kovalev's pace works for him, so does his power with one single shot.
Same time Kovalev thinks too simple, he's very basic and structured that way.

[Pureist]

When it comes to Ward v Kovalev I'm more in line with thinking the style match up will favour Ward, it's the power Sergey possess that maybe the biggest obstacle Ward has to overcome.

This exactly. Ward definitely can't leave an opening because even a glancing shot from Kovalev will have an impact. But the counters will be there all night. The amount of times Ward is going to hit Kovalev will be the suprise of the night, because it's gonna be a lot.

If you don't realise, boxers become extremely cautious around heavy handed hitters, every time ward tries to counter he will be taking a tremendous chance, Barrera hit him quite easily, kovalev will hit him easier and a great deal harder if the fight ever eventuates which I don't think it will

[Bard of Boxrec]

Kovalev's pace works for him, so does his power with one single shot.
Same time Kovalev thinks too simple, he's very basic and structured that way.

Basic? Kovalev?

How many fights does this guy need to have before people can appreciate he has top level skills to go with his power?

What's basic about a full punch artillery, master of distance, pacing, timing, subtle defensive moves? The guy has it all.

I can see into the future with this fight. It is going to be one-sided, a beatdown, for as long as it lasts. Nothing Ward brings to the table will work. None of his skills will count for anything in this style matchup.

[Chepppaaa]

In all of the fights that i've seen holding penalized by the ref, the fights were awesome. Boxers like Ward and Floyd actually work on this in camp and it's part of their strategy. How many times have you seen Floyd throw that sneaky straight right hand lead and then immediately clutch right after he throws it? Floyd and Ward's whole game plan is a series of small combos followed by a clutch to avoid any counters. They are so fast that if the ref isn't calling it, they could do it all night long.

Let's face it, Maidana is a blast to watch but he's NOT even close to an elite fighter. If someone else with more skill was in the ring that night when Floyd didn't have the ref protecting him, I think Floyd's streak would have been snapped. Tony Weeks called a great fight that night and what did he get for it? Floyd complained during...after....and then wouldn't get inside the ring again unless Bayless was working the fight. Then we saw the disgusting job Bayless did in the second Maidana fight. Putrid. He was breaking them up at times when they weren't even touching each other. The most disgusting ref job i've ever seen in my life.

dude, you totaly nailed it. that were the main reasons why i made a thread year ago or so, were i said why boxing would be better without guys like wlad, mayweather and ward.

exactly like you said it, they punch, than immediatly clinch and hold (with the arm or elbow).......people who know not much about boxing say it is technical mastership, i say, its illegal and when done excessive its a DQ, thats it.

shame on bayless, he used to be the best ref in boxing period, but with the maidana 2 fight he completly destroyed his status.

Then you and I try to explain this to the Floyd contingent on this site and it's impossible. Like their hero, they get all defensive and won't even consider what an opposing view could bring to a discussion. Those discussions end up being like a typical Floyd fight, boring and a waste of time.

But this is the main reason why I can't name Floyd as one of the all time greats. I'll be the first one to say that he should have been an all time great but how do we know? To asset Floyd into that ATG list is an insult to the boxers that let it all hang out for greatness to see how great they could be. It's the kind of thing that GGG and Kovalev have. They crave dance partners that will test them and they aren't afraid to lose a fight. They want to fight the best and they want to be pushed.

Floyd was perfectly happy with winning a fight by a round or two or split decision. He knew that all that he had to do was make the final bell and the judges he paid prior had it covered. When fans look back at great boxers they remember the spectacular knockouts and the epic battles when the best met the best. When people remember Floyd what will they remember? The shoulder roll...oh, that's exciting.

floyd is stupid and contradicts himself, barely always.

he is not famous for fighting, for boxing, he is famous for trash talking, money, cars, jewelry, hip hop. so, this is his fanbase, stupid hip hop guys, who know not much about boxing, but know much about "faking till you making it"...talk stupid shit, that make no sense...etc

so these kind of guys he attracts, people who make not much sense, just like he does. thats why nobody cant argue with these guys, either they dont answer and avoid questions or they make litle sense and some realy like his boxing style they realy do