Lil g Talks Out The Side Of His Neck

[koolkc107]

Money, huh?

Money is the answer to why lil g is being a hypocrite and going back on his
promise to go down in weight to make a fight with Canelo?

So, by your logic (because no way am I going to let YOU put words in my mouth), there HAS TO BE
a bigger money fight out there than Canelo for Gennady because the millions he would make
fighting Saul is much less than what he'd get fighting...who?

It aint gonna be Floyd, cuz we see him setting up his last okey-doke with The Dick,
so scratch the fantasy 50m you just tried to float.

So who is his next biggest payday. Froch, who like Floyd, doesn't even know if he is going to fight again?

Who is is his biggest payday ACTIVELY FIGHTING RIGHT NOW?

See, I had to walk you into this punch, Caldo, cuz frankly sometimes your pilot light flickers a bit.

Your contention is totally full of shyt.

His biggest money fight IS Canelo and he can get it for one pound LESS stress than the dream fight he says he wants.

So, try again.

Try making sense of that bullshyt.

And Pukist, how is avoiding the biggest purse available to him in lil g's best interest?

You are hilarious, you really are. So in your OP, you set the rules for the argument we are all supposed to partake in as to why Canelo and GGG fight is not happening. Then you make the rule that we can't talk about the most important factor of the argument in that this fight is a mandatory defense to one of the most treasured titles in the sport's history. You want to remove a factor that happens to be GGG's only motivation from the start? That sounds like a logical argument here. You love setting the table tilted in your favor but i'm not playing.

KC, you can't tell people what they can or can not use in their opinion just because it hurts your argument. That's the most ridiculous ground rule i've seen for an argument. Titles never meant anything to Floyd so maybe that's why you downplay it at every turn but believe it or not, the Middleweight Champion of the World is way more important than you consider it to be.

Hey let me know if i broke any of your RULES with this post man.

Once again, you prove you either don't have a clue about what we are talking about or
you are too much of a fanboy to look at things objectively.

One of the reasons I set the parameters I have is because I KNOW the impasse isn't about what many think it is.

Lil g was ALREADY the WBC mandatory at the time Loeffler was quoted by Ring as saying the catchweight was no problem.

The catchweight with a possible fight with Canelo specifically.

Loeffler is also quoted as mentioning it not mattering if a belt was on the line.

That is why when his fanboys say it's all different now because lil g is Canelo's mandatory I call them on the bullshyt.

Loeffler said this knowing lil g might have to step aside for a Canelo-Cotto showdown.

So, I ask the question no fanboy seems able to answer:

What has changed?

What is so different between now and less than a year and a half ago when he said it?

If it isn't that lil g can no longer get to 155
(and that can't be it because they still swear 154 is possible for Floyd)
and it isn't that lil g is mandatory for the WBC belt
(and that can't be it because he's been mandatory since 7/14 and Loeffler said these things in 11/14)
Then what is it?

That is the answer I seek.

And a hundred posts in, I still can't get a straight one from you lil g wiz goblins.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Money, huh?

Money is the answer to why lil g is being a hypocrite and going back on his
promise to go down in weight to make a fight with Canelo?

So, by your logic (because no way am I going to let YOU put words in my mouth), there HAS TO BE
a bigger money fight out there than Canelo for Gennady because the millions he would make
fighting Saul is much less than what he'd get fighting...who?

It aint gonna be Floyd, cuz we see him setting up his last okey-doke with The Dick,
so scratch the fantasy 50m you just tried to float.

So who is his next biggest payday. Froch, who like Floyd, doesn't even know if he is going to fight again?

Who is is his biggest payday ACTIVELY FIGHTING RIGHT NOW?

See, I had to walk you into this punch, Caldo, cuz frankly sometimes your pilot light flickers a bit.

Your contention is totally full of shyt.

His biggest money fight IS Canelo and he can get it for one pound LESS stress than the dream fight he says he wants.

So, try again.

Try making sense of that bullshyt.

And Pukist, how is avoiding the biggest purse available to him in lil g's best interest?

You are hilarious, you really are. So in your OP, you set the rules for the argument we are all supposed to partake in as to why Canelo and GGG fight is not happening. Then you make the rule that we can't talk about the most important factor of the argument in that this fight is a mandatory defense to one of the most treasured titles in the sport's history. You want to remove a factor that happens to be GGG's only motivation from the start? That sounds like a logical argument here. You love setting the table tilted in your favor but i'm not playing.

KC, you can't tell people what they can or can not use in their opinion just because it hurts your argument. That's the most ridiculous ground rule i've seen for an argument. Titles never meant anything to Floyd so maybe that's why you downplay it at every turn but believe it or not, the Middleweight Champion of the World is way more important than you consider it to be.

Hey let me know if i broke any of your RULES with this post man.

Once again, you prove you either don't have a clue about what we are talking about or
you are too much of a fanboy to look at things objectively.

One of the reasons I set the parameters I have is because I KNOW the impasse isn't about what many think it is.

Lil g was ALREADY the WBC mandatory at the time Loeffler was quoted by Ring as saying the catchweight was no problem.

The catchweight with a possible fight with Canelo specifically.

Loeffler is also quoted as mentioning it not mattering if a belt was on the line.

That is why when his fanboys say it's all different now because lil g is Canelo's mandatory I call them on the bullshyt.

Loeffler said this knowing lil g might have to step aside for a Canelo-Cotto showdown.

So, I ask the question no fanboy seems able to answer:

What has changed?

What is so different between now and less than a year and a half ago when he said it?

If it isn't that lil g can no longer get to 155
(and that can't be it because they still swear 154 is possible for Floyd)
and it isn't that lil g is mandatory for the WBC belt
(and that can't be it because he's been mandatory since 7/14 and Loeffler said these things in 11/14)
Then what is it?

That is the answer I seek.

And a hundred posts in, I still can't get a straight one from you lil g wiz goblins.

For real? What's different is Canelo wasn't holding a MW belt 1.5 year ago, duh

[ikorolev]

Why do you guys trying to use logic with those imbecile haters (or hater ?).

Just block them.

[koolkc107]

Once again, you prove you either don't have a clue about what we are talking about or
you are too much of a fanboy to look at things objectively.

One of the reasons I set the parameters I have is because I KNOW the impasse isn't about what many think it is.

Lil g was ALREADY the WBC mandatory at the time Loeffler was quoted by Ring as saying the catchweight was no problem.

The catchweight with a possible fight with Canelo specifically.

Loeffler is also quoted as mentioning it not mattering if a belt was on the line.

That is why when his fanboys say it's all different now because lil g is Canelo's mandatory I call them on the bullshyt.

Loeffler said this knowing lil g might have to step aside for a Canelo-Cotto showdown.

So, I ask the question no fanboy seems able to answer:

What has changed?

What is so different between now and less than a year and a half ago when he said it?

If it isn't that lil g can no longer get to 155
(and that can't be it because they still swear 154 is possible for Floyd)
and it isn't that lil g is mandatory for the WBC belt
(and that can't be it because he's been mandatory since 7/14 and Loeffler said these things in 11/14)
Then what is it?

That is the answer I seek.

And a hundred posts in, I still can't get a straight one from you lil g wiz goblins.

For real? What's different is Canelo wasn't holding a MW belt 1.5 year ago, duh

Read the Ring article, Shakey.

You can see Loeffler knows full well Canelo could be holding a belt when he and lil g meet.

He knows he is mandatory to the belt Cotto was holding at the time and that a Cotto-Canelo fight
was probably going to happen before lil g got his shot at either guy.

It was under THAT context that he said there is no problem with a catchweight.

That context being the exact same one we have today.

Nice try tho.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Once again, you prove you either don't have a clue about what we are talking about or
you are too much of a fanboy to look at things objectively.

One of the reasons I set the parameters I have is because I KNOW the impasse isn't about what many think it is.

Lil g was ALREADY the WBC mandatory at the time Loeffler was quoted by Ring as saying the catchweight was no problem.

The catchweight with a possible fight with Canelo specifically.

Loeffler is also quoted as mentioning it not mattering if a belt was on the line.

That is why when his fanboys say it's all different now because lil g is Canelo's mandatory I call them on the bullshyt.

Loeffler said this knowing lil g might have to step aside for a Canelo-Cotto showdown.

So, I ask the question no fanboy seems able to answer:

What has changed?

What is so different between now and less than a year and a half ago when he said it?

If it isn't that lil g can no longer get to 155
(and that can't be it because they still swear 154 is possible for Floyd)
and it isn't that lil g is mandatory for the WBC belt
(and that can't be it because he's been mandatory since 7/14 and Loeffler said these things in 11/14)
Then what is it?

That is the answer I seek.

And a hundred posts in, I still can't get a straight one from you lil g wiz goblins.

For real? What's different is Canelo wasn't holding a MW belt 1.5 year ago, duh

Read the Ring article, Shakey.

You can see Loeffler knows full well Canelo could be holding a belt when he and lil g meet.

He knows he is mandatory to the belt Cotto was holding at the time and that a Cotto-Canelo fight
was probably going to happen before lil g got his shot at either guy.

It was under THAT context that he said there is no problem with a catchweight.

That context being the exact same one we have today.

Nice try tho.

No, they're holding the same position as then. Loeffler said recently that a catchweight is negotiable provided Canelo vacates. It's only right, champs have no business demanding CWs in their division

[koolkc107]

For real? What's different is Canelo wasn't holding a MW belt 1.5 year ago, duh

Read the Ring article, Shakey.

You can see Loeffler knows full well Canelo could be holding a belt when he and lil g meet.

He knows he is mandatory to the belt Cotto was holding at the time and that a Cotto-Canelo fight
was probably going to happen before lil g got his shot at either guy.

It was under THAT context that he said there is no problem with a catchweight.

That context being the exact same one we have today.

Nice try tho.

No, they're holding the same position as then. Loeffler said recently that a catchweight is negotiable provided Canelo vacates. It's only right, champs have no business demanding CWs in their division

You have a recent link to document that, feel free to post it.

If not, then stop conjuring arguments.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Read the Ring article, Shakey.

You can see Loeffler knows full well Canelo could be holding a belt when he and lil g meet.

He knows he is mandatory to the belt Cotto was holding at the time and that a Cotto-Canelo fight
was probably going to happen before lil g got his shot at either guy.

It was under THAT context that he said there is no problem with a catchweight.

That context being the exact same one we have today.

Nice try tho.

No, they're holding the same position as then. Loeffler said recently that a catchweight is negotiable provided Canelo vacates. It's only right, champs have no business demanding CWs in their division

You have a recent link to document that, feel free to post it.

If not, then stop conjuring arguments.

http://www.BS.com/team-golovki ... te--100824

In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn't be any negotiations about the weight. It would be two middleweight champions fighting each other at 160-pounds. Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight.

[koolkc107]

That isn't the same position they've always had and you know it, Shakey.

Before, as the mandatory, they said a catchweight is fine to make the fight
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Now they are saying NO CATCHWEIGHT UNLESS HE VACATES.

Sounds like a change in position to me.

Sounds like they want a belt without fighting for it.

Or they are using this to avoid a fight with Canelo while spinning it like Canelo is the one who doesn't want it.

But, all Canelo is asking is for him to do what he said he would.

I wish Loeffler good luck with this tactic.

But here is a little prophecy...nah, I think I know a little about Saul's personality.

If lil g is somehow able to get the WBC to strip Canelo (which I highly doubt),
they can wave bye-bye to ANY PAYDAY with Canelo.

My guess is the greed in Loffler and Sanchez won't let that happen.

[caldo2025]

Money, huh?

Money is the answer to why lil g is being a hypocrite and going back on his
promise to go down in weight to make a fight with Canelo?

So, by your logic (because no way am I going to let YOU put words in my mouth), there HAS TO BE
a bigger money fight out there than Canelo for Gennady because the millions he would make
fighting Saul is much less than what he'd get fighting...who?

It aint gonna be Floyd, cuz we see him setting up his last okey-doke with The Dick,
so scratch the fantasy 50m you just tried to float.

So who is his next biggest payday. Froch, who like Floyd, doesn't even know if he is going to fight again?

Who is is his biggest payday ACTIVELY FIGHTING RIGHT NOW?

See, I had to walk you into this punch, Caldo, cuz frankly sometimes your pilot light flickers a bit.

Your contention is totally full of shyt.

His biggest money fight IS Canelo and he can get it for one pound LESS stress than the dream fight he says he wants.

So, try again.

Try making sense of that bullshyt.

And Pukist, how is avoiding the biggest purse available to him in lil g's best interest?

You are hilarious, you really are. So in your OP, you set the rules for the argument we are all supposed to partake in as to why Canelo and GGG fight is not happening. Then you make the rule that we can't talk about the most important factor of the argument in that this fight is a mandatory defense to one of the most treasured titles in the sport's history. You want to remove a factor that happens to be GGG's only motivation from the start? That sounds like a logical argument here. You love setting the table tilted in your favor but i'm not playing.

KC, you can't tell people what they can or can not use in their opinion just because it hurts your argument. That's the most ridiculous ground rule i've seen for an argument. Titles never meant anything to Floyd so maybe that's why you downplay it at every turn but believe it or not, the Middleweight Champion of the World is way more important than you consider it to be.

Hey let me know if i broke any of your RULES with this post man.

Once again, you prove you either don't have a clue about what we are talking about or
you are too much of a fanboy to look at things objectively.

One of the reasons I set the parameters I have is because I KNOW the impasse isn't about what many think it is.

Lil g was ALREADY the WBC mandatory at the time Loeffler was quoted by Ring as saying the catchweight was no problem.

The catchweight with a possible fight with Canelo specifically.

Loeffler is also quoted as mentioning it not mattering if a belt was on the line.

That is why when his fanboys say it's all different now because lil g is Canelo's mandatory I call them on the bullshyt.

Loeffler said this knowing lil g might have to step aside for a Canelo-Cotto showdown.

So, I ask the question no fanboy seems able to answer:

What has changed?

What is so different between now and less than a year and a half ago when he said it?

If it isn't that lil g can no longer get to 155
(and that can't be it because they still swear 154 is possible for Floyd)
and it isn't that lil g is mandatory for the WBC belt
(and that can't be it because he's been mandatory since 7/14 and Loeffler said these things in 11/14)
Then what is it?

That is the answer I seek.

And a hundred posts in, I still can't get a straight one from you lil g wiz goblins.

A couple of points I'd like to make:

1-You keep referring to sound bites not from the mouth of GGG but a person that stands to make a lot of money without getting into the ring. Loeffler's job is to build his own net worth with the biggest fights. The best way to do that is keep the word "no" out of his vocabulary. Another part of his job is to present GGG with as many options as possible in the hopes that GGG will agree to one that makes him the most money. It's no different to the crap that comes out of Arum's mouth to make a fight. How many times has that guy been wrong trying to make a buck? If you have a clip of GGG saying it then you'd have a point but even then, he can still change his mind as other concessions are met. And YOU KNOW Canelo's the A side with triple the demands GGG has so maybe GGGs tired of giving at this point if it's even true.

2-If you think that this fight won't happen because of 1 pound then your nuts. It's bad enough Canelo isn't man enough to fight at the 160 minimum. I thought that this BS was over we finally got That fraud Cotto out of there. But that's a whole new can that I'm sure is also against your rules to mention. One pound is not going to stop this thing, it's probably just one of many tug-o-wars going on between both sides. In fact, I'd consider this minor compared to the other dozens of items that need to be negotiated before contracts are drafted. It's a non issue.

3-I find it amusing how you, of ALL posters here would have such a problem with GGG changing his mind (if that even happened). I remember a boxer once that got so much slack for his lame fights and never facing the toughest challenger that he decided to let the fans vote online who his next fight would be against. Brilliant. Everyone logged on and submitted their votes thinking we'd finally get the right guy in the ring against him. The votes were tallied and the winner was Amir Khan. Days later the contracts were signed and we got Floyd vs Maidana. For you to have the balls to sit here and demand answers for something not even finalized and factors being alleged at best, is laughable.

The Floyd magic show with that vote was a million times worse than what your all up in arms about with GGG and the pound or his opinion on who he'd lose weight to fight or move up to fight. It's just you're obvious attempt to grab anything you can while your boats sinking.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

That isn't the same position they've always had and you know it, Shakey.

Before, as the mandatory, they said a catchweight is fine to make the fight
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Now they are saying NO CATCHWEIGHT UNLESS HE VACATES.

Sounds like a change in position to me.

Sounds like they want a belt without fighting for it.

Or they are using this to avoid a fight with Canelo while spinning it like Canelo is the one who doesn't want it.

But, all Canelo is asking is for him to do what he said he would.

I wish Loeffler good luck with this tactic.

But here is a little prophecy...nah, I think I know a little about Saul's personality.

If lil g is somehow able to get the WBC to strip Canelo (which I highly doubt),
they can wave bye-bye to ANY PAYDAY with Canelo.

My guess is the greed in Loffler and Sanchez won't let that happen.

stop making things up. All they said is they'd do a CW for Canelo well before he won the title. And it's still on the table if Canelo vacates. Afaik it's never been done before, a champ asking for a CW for a mando defense, never mind lineal champ asking for the lowest CW possible

[Pureist]

Even the brut personality in this imbeciles brain doesn't agree with the tooli part of the brain

[koolkc107]

That isn't the same position they've always had and you know it, Shakey.

Before, as the mandatory, they said a catchweight is fine to make the fight
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Now they are saying NO CATCHWEIGHT UNLESS HE VACATES.

Sounds like a change in position to me.

Sounds like they want a belt without fighting for it.

Or they are using this to avoid a fight with Canelo while spinning it like Canelo is the one who doesn't want it.

But, all Canelo is asking is for him to do what he said he would.

I wish Loeffler good luck with this tactic.

But here is a little prophecy...nah, I think I know a little about Saul's personality.

If lil g is somehow able to get the WBC to strip Canelo (which I highly doubt),
they can wave bye-bye to ANY PAYDAY with Canelo.

My guess is the greed in Loffler and Sanchez won't let that happen.

stop making things up. All they said is they'd do a CW for Canelo well before he won the title. And it's still on the table if Canelo vacates. Afaik it's never been done before, a champ asking for a CW for a mando defense, never mind lineal champ asking for the lowest CW possible

Congrats, Shakes.

Only you could watch someone quote someone verbatim, highlight it in red AND bold it...
then come back with one of the most lame lines I've ever seen in a rebuttal, "stop making things up".

What was said in 2014 was said about Cotto OR Canelo, with the catchweight offer to Canelo specified,
by name, and in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt.

If this is not true, show me something in the article I've quoted that contradicts it.

The article you cited does envision some match "Maybe in 2017" after Canelo is stripped or he vacates.
But while you, Shakes, may be idiotic enough to think Canelo would make a fight with a guy that forced
him to lose a belt I don't think anyone else is that stupid, especially Loeffler. Nothing is on the table
unless lil g stays in his lane and accepts the catchweight. If he tried to assert that mandatory crap
I am certain the WBC will show him what mandatory really means in the face of a star like Canelo-
and that is absolutely nothing.

A-sides ask for and get whatever they want that is legal. And this will be no different.

Lil g can take it or leave it and there is no guarantee Canelo will be stripped even without the fight.

And again, they are hitching an awful lot of hope to a sanctioning body that has already shown itself willing
to bend over backwards for whatever it's cash cow wants.

[Pureist]

As I posted probably 2 weeks ago, if canelo vacates, who are the big names he will fight, GGG will have all the belts, canelo will have to drag one JMW up after another, cotto will retire soon, so where will his big fights be

[dberry]

I have not seen a bigger fuckwit on any boxing forum than this imbecile Brut-kookc-whateverhisnametoday, he hates some and cheerleads other fighters like a European football fan, it's at a level I've never seen before! This gutless, faceless maggot has the temerity to bag fighters and call them cowards, ironically all from behind the anonymous safety of his keyboard, I doubt this shitstain is a deliberate toll as he seems quite simple. I don't understand why everyone here entertains him, he isn't worthy of acknowledgement?

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

That isn't the same position they've always had and you know it, Shakey.

Before, as the mandatory, they said a catchweight is fine to make the fight
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Now they are saying NO CATCHWEIGHT UNLESS HE VACATES.

Sounds like a change in position to me.

Sounds like they want a belt without fighting for it.

Or they are using this to avoid a fight with Canelo while spinning it like Canelo is the one who doesn't want it.

But, all Canelo is asking is for him to do what he said he would.

I wish Loeffler good luck with this tactic.

But here is a little prophecy...nah, I think I know a little about Saul's personality.

If lil g is somehow able to get the WBC to strip Canelo (which I highly doubt),
they can wave bye-bye to ANY PAYDAY with Canelo.

My guess is the greed in Loffler and Sanchez won't let that happen.

stop making things up. All they said is they'd do a CW for Canelo well before he won the title. And it's still on the table if Canelo vacates. Afaik it's never been done before, a champ asking for a CW for a mando defense, never mind lineal champ asking for the lowest CW possible

Congrats, Shakes.

Only you could watch someone quote someone verbatim, highlight it in red AND bold it...
then come back with one of the most lame lines I've ever seen in a rebuttal, "stop making things up".

What was said in 2014 was said about Cotto OR Canelo, with the catchweight offer to Canelo specified,
by name, and in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt.

If this is not true, show me something in the article I've quoted that contradicts it.

The article you cited does envision some match "Maybe in 2017" after Canelo is stripped or he vacates.
But while you, Shakes, may be idiotic enough to think Canelo would make a fight with a guy that forced
him to lose a belt I don't think anyone else is that stupid, especially Loeffler. Nothing is on the table
unless lil g stays in his lane and accepts the catchweight. If he tried to assert that mandatory crap
I am certain the WBC will show him what mandatory really means in the face of a star like Canelo-
and that is absolutely nothing.

A-sides ask for and get whatever they want that is legal. And this will be no different.

Lil g can take it or leave it and there is no guarantee Canelo will be stripped even without the fight.

And again, they are hitching an awful lot of hope to a sanctioning body that has already shown itself willing
to bend over backwards for whatever it's cash cow wants.

Ok I'll spell it out dummy: making things up like "UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" would they entertain a CW, or "in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt". Show me where it says this. And to help you out again "But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title" is not it, at all. And from your link "so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be" tells you it's a Canelo challenger, GGG champ situation, which was the case when the article was put out, and would be the case again if Canelo vacates.

Figures you wouldn't see the sense in the bolded, idiot. Canelo has something called pride, heard of that? So might want to redeem himself after the humiliation of dropping the belt to avoid GGG. That wouldn't go over well with his Mexican fanbase. Staying at 155 till the dominant, undisputed MW champ is ready to move up makes him a sideshow and the butt of jokes.

[Butterbean]

Some folks prefer fantasy to truth.

You show them video of Floyd standing right in front of Pac for 12 rounds and somehow they see him running.

You show them video of Floyd landing counter after counter, stopping Manny dead in his tracks and they see it even.

Look how many cretins on here talk about Floyd holding and running, when he does neither.

The Pac-Floyd fight had a total of 25 times the ref needed to break the fighters, and not all of those holds were
initiated by Mayweather.

In case you are counting, that is 2 clinches per round, perfectly normal in any boxing match.

Ward does not hold excessively either.



For the last time, folks

Holding is not illegal, and one of the first things you learn in the gym is how to tie a guy up.

Excessive holding IS illegal and should get points deducted.

Neither Ward nor Floyd, however, holds excessively.

ward doesnt hold excessively .... LMAO

cant believe this guy is still allowed in here ! lol

[Pureist]

He really is a dumbass

[koolkc107]

Congrats, Shakes.

Only you could watch someone quote someone verbatim, highlight it in red AND bold it...
then come back with one of the most lame lines I've ever seen in a rebuttal, "stop making things up".

What was said in 2014 was said about Cotto OR Canelo, with the catchweight offer to Canelo specified,
by name, and in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt.

If this is not true, show me something in the article I've quoted that contradicts it.

The article you cited does envision some match "Maybe in 2017" after Canelo is stripped or he vacates.
But while you, Shakes, may be idiotic enough to think Canelo would make a fight with a guy that forced
him to lose a belt I don't think anyone else is that stupid, especially Loeffler. Nothing is on the table
unless lil g stays in his lane and accepts the catchweight. If he tried to assert that mandatory crap
I am certain the WBC will show him what mandatory really means in the face of a star like Canelo-
and that is absolutely nothing.

A-sides ask for and get whatever they want that is legal. And this will be no different.

Lil g can take it or leave it and there is no guarantee Canelo will be stripped even without the fight.

And again, they are hitching an awful lot of hope to a sanctioning body that has already shown itself willing
to bend over backwards for whatever it's cash cow wants.

Ok I'll spell it out dummy: making things up like "UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" would they entertain a CW, or "in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt". Show me where it says this. And to help you out again "But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title" is not it, at all. And from your link "so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be" tells you it's a Canelo challenger, GGG champ situation, which was the case when the article was put out, and would be the case again if Canelo vacates.

Figures you wouldn't see the sense in the bolded, idiot. Canelo has something called pride, heard of that? So might want to redeem himself after the humiliation of dropping the belt to avoid GGG. That wouldn't go over well with his Mexican fanbase. Staying at 155 till the dominant, undisputed MW champ is ready to move up makes him a sideshow and the butt of jokes.

I've said this before but it bears repeating here.

When an idiot calls a genius "dummy", it is a source of amusement for the intelligent person, not an insult.

Lets rehash "under any circumstances" since it obviously escaped you.

Lil g had 3 belts at the time Loeffler said a catchweight would be "no problem"; Canelo had none.
A few posts ago, you wrote this, Shakes:

...it's never been done before, a champ asking for a CW for a mando defense, never mind lineal champ asking for the lowest CW possible

You quoted Loeffler referring to the current mandatory situation, but isn't it also true it is also unprecedented
for a champ with 3 belts to volunteer for a catchweight fight that favors a guy with absolutely zero titles?
(bolded so you won't miss the argument, Shakes)

That's what is meant by ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. In November 2014, Loeffler had zero obstacles to making a fight.
There were no preconditions.

So now Canelo has a title. And he is also the lineal. In other words, a guy who was ALREADY THE A-side
has EVEN MORE LEVERAGE, even more bargaining power and shotcalling ability.

But what does Loeffler do?

He changes his tune, is what he does. He takes a harder line against a guy who has an even better
bargaining position. He takes a harder line against a guy who has EVEN MORE OPTIONS now.

That is what is called "talking out the side of your neck"

That's why I say it is lil g and his people who are the biggest obstacle to a fight. If Loeffler and lil g
have the same attitude now as they had before Canelo won the title, we would have had a fight this May.

But we dont. And if they continue to refuse to keep their word, we wont have one this fall either.

And I'll bet you right now that Canelo will still have a WBC belt around his waist even if no fight happens.

[Impractical Poster]

It's really simple. Canelo is a MW champion. G is a MW champion. Two MW title holders should not be fighting a unification bout at any other weight than 160. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. It's obviously clear that which ever fighter is trying to alter the weight is the one being difficult about making the fight.

Sometimes people go out of their way to confuse things.

[man]

It's really simple. Canelo is a MW champion. G is a MW champion. Two MW title holders should not be fighting a unification bout at any other weight than 160. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. It's obviously clear that which ever fighter is trying to alter the weight is the one being difficult about making the fight.

Sometimes people go out of their way to confuse things.

that's how i see it too. if you don't want
to fight at middle weight, don't go for the
middle weight title. i might get this whole
business totally wrong, but people seem to
try getting the middle weight title at the super
welter weight.

reality is that at a certain point that very
prestigious title was an easy to grab in
martinez being a weak holder. but now
with GGG that is a little different, so there is
a lot of back paddling from those who grabbed
that piece of clothing while trying to keep their
reputation in tact.

though on a personal level i imagine canelo
himself wants to fight GGG. in the end he is a
proud mexican price fighter. i think management
is more careful than that.

[Pureist]

So your whole arguement tooli keeps coming back to what loeffner had to say even before canelo had a title, let's flip the coin on you and have a look what Eric Gomez had to say from goldenboy, in a prepared statement he confirmed the catch weight wasn't an obstacle anymore and that canelo would fight GGG at the limit, so where does that leave your arguement------------------------------------------
Loeffler said Golovkin will not do a May 7 doubleheader with Alvarez, and that the timeframe of Golovkin’s next bout depends on the opponent’s availability, with New York, Los Angeles, Dallas or Las Vegas as possible sites.

Alvarez previously said his best fighting weight is about 154 pounds -- he fought Cotto at a 155-pound catch-weight limit -- but Gomez said weight no longer is an obstacle to fighting Golovkin at 160 pounds.

“We have a few ideas [for the May 7 opponent], but there’s nothing concrete,” Gomez said. “We’ll get together in January and talk about it.”

Copyright © 2016, Los Angeles Times

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Congrats, Shakes.

Only you could watch someone quote someone verbatim, highlight it in red AND bold it...
then come back with one of the most lame lines I've ever seen in a rebuttal, "stop making things up".

What was said in 2014 was said about Cotto OR Canelo, with the catchweight offer to Canelo specified,
by name, and in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt.

If this is not true, show me something in the article I've quoted that contradicts it.

The article you cited does envision some match "Maybe in 2017" after Canelo is stripped or he vacates.
But while you, Shakes, may be idiotic enough to think Canelo would make a fight with a guy that forced
him to lose a belt I don't think anyone else is that stupid, especially Loeffler. Nothing is on the table
unless lil g stays in his lane and accepts the catchweight. If he tried to assert that mandatory crap
I am certain the WBC will show him what mandatory really means in the face of a star like Canelo-
and that is absolutely nothing.

A-sides ask for and get whatever they want that is legal. And this will be no different.

Lil g can take it or leave it and there is no guarantee Canelo will be stripped even without the fight.

And again, they are hitching an awful lot of hope to a sanctioning body that has already shown itself willing
to bend over backwards for whatever it's cash cow wants.

Ok I'll spell it out dummy: making things up like "UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" would they entertain a CW, or "in anticipation of him possibly winning a belt". Show me where it says this. And to help you out again "But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title" is not it, at all. And from your link "so he would be able to defend the titles at 156 or whatever you have the weight be" tells you it's a Canelo challenger, GGG champ situation, which was the case when the article was put out, and would be the case again if Canelo vacates.

Figures you wouldn't see the sense in the bolded, idiot. Canelo has something called pride, heard of that? So might want to redeem himself after the humiliation of dropping the belt to avoid GGG. That wouldn't go over well with his Mexican fanbase. Staying at 155 till the dominant, undisputed MW champ is ready to move up makes him a sideshow and the butt of jokes.

I've said this before but it bears repeating here.

When an idiot calls a genius "dummy", it is a source of amusement for the intelligent person, not an insult.

Lets rehash "under any circumstances" since it obviously escaped you.

Lil g had 3 belts at the time Loeffler said a catchweight would be "no problem"; Canelo had none.
A few posts ago, you wrote this, Shakes:

...it's never been done before, a champ asking for a CW for a mando defense, never mind lineal champ asking for the lowest CW possible

You quoted Loeffler referring to the current mandatory situation, but isn't it also true it is also unprecedented
for a champ with 3 belts to volunteer for a catchweight fight that favors a guy with absolutely zero titles?
(bolded so you won't miss the argument, Shakes)

That's what is meant by ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. In November 2014, Loeffler had zero obstacles to making a fight.
There were no preconditions.

So now Canelo has a title. And he is also the lineal. In other words, a guy who was ALREADY THE A-side
has EVEN MORE LEVERAGE, even more bargaining power and shotcalling ability.

But what does Loeffler do?

He changes his tune, is what he does. He takes a harder line against a guy who has an even better
bargaining position. He takes a harder line against a guy who has EVEN MORE OPTIONS now.

That is what is called "talking out the side of your neck"

That's why I say it is lil g and his people who are the biggest obstacle to a fight. If Loeffler and lil g
have the same attitude now as they had before Canelo won the title, we would have had a fight this May.

But we dont. And if they continue to refuse to keep their word, we wont have one this fall either.

And I'll bet you right now that Canelo will still have a WBC belt around his waist even if no fight happens.

You're not a genius man, you may well be retarded. That's what EVERYONE is telling you here.

It's a really simple concept, CWs are for guys fighting in different divisions. Champs asking for CWs to defend the belt is a mockery of the sport. It's never OK, but even then there's degrees. If you're an undersized champ like Cotto or Floyd with a vanity belt, demanding a reasonable CW like 157 or 152 is not as bad as outweighing the opponent fight night, and demanding a max CW like 155.

[Baby Face Finster]

This whole issue boils down to one simple point. Brut/Kooli/Undefeated simply doesn't like the fact that the guy ruling 160 isn't black. End thread!

[Ricky_]

This whole issue boils down to one simple point. Brut/Kooli/Undefeated simply doesn't like the fact that the guy ruling 160 isn't black. End thread!

I think he's more upset that Golovkin is the real deal and Mayweather was a false prophet and doping cheat.

[man]

This whole issue boils down to one simple point. Brut/Kooli/Undefeated simply doesn't like the fact that the guy ruling 160 isn't black. End thread!

i knew what i was missing: the inevitable
race guy!

i'm all ears, where can i subscribe to your
endless wisdoms in black and white?