George Foreman vs. Floyd Patterson

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 09 Feb 2006, 02:38

As much as I like Floyd Patterson, there is only one way I could envision a fight with him against George Foreman. Can anyone see any possibility other than Foreman KO 1 Patterson? I can't. I couldn't see him getting to the second round under any circumstances.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 09 Feb 2006, 02:47

Decagon wrote:Lots of much lesser fighters lasted longer against Foreman.

Lots of lesser fighters also went more than one round with Sonny Liston. Remember, Foreman modeled himself after Liston and sparred with him numerously. Patterson would be just as frightened of Foreman as he was of Liston, if not more so.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 09 Feb 2006, 10:52

i love patterson and is is horribly underated sometimes, but he is absolutley made for foreman, even more than hes made for liston. this is a style matchup for patterson at its absolute worst!

foreman KO 1 patterson

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 10 Feb 2006, 12:38

It would have been intriguing to see a Floyd-Liston match in the 67
elimination tournament if Sonny had been invited. At least for Patterson fans anyway. If Floyd could have survived the first 2 or 3 rounds, his greater stamina & dedication might have given him a chance. Had he learned enough to make a success of it, a third time around. His style was tailor made for Liston. In the 2nd Liston fight he started to box , but the first time he ducked inside he took some punishment & never got on his bicyle again. He stayed within range in both their fights & took a pummeling. I always thought he looked much better when he boxed & used the ring. However his style was such that he would go into a bob & weave many times during a fight if only for a few seconds to avoid trouble & against Liston this is when he would get hurt. Against Liston, once he had you hurt, good night nurse. Liston was a better boxer & smarter ring technician than Foreman but I have to give at least a small power advantage to Foreman. Floyd is my favourite professional athlete of all time. My rec room is a shrine to his career. However, I don't think much if anything would have been different against Foreman. A more powerful, harder puching Joe Frazier wasn't able to last much longer against Foreman than Floyd against Liston. The first time Patterson got in trouble he would be taken out. Unlike Ali he can't reach Foreman or Liston
from the outside and once inside he can't stay their either. A bad combination . Foreman in 1 or 2 rounds. Ah, if Willie Pep had only been a heavyweight.

kingpawn · Post by **kingpawn** » 10 Feb 2006, 13:21

bill.lockhart wrote:... Floyd is my favourite professional athlete of all time. My rec room is a shrine to his career. However, I don't think much if anything would have been different against Foreman. A more powerful, harder puching Joe Frazier wasn't able to last much longer against Foreman than Floyd against Liston. The first time Patterson got in trouble he would be taken out. Unlike Ali he can't reach Foreman or Liston
from the outside and once inside he can't stay their either. A bad combination . Foreman in 1 or 2 rounds ...

Good analysis. It's about the way I see this going. I like Floyd, too, but I just think Foreman had too much for him. He would've been too big and strong for Floyd to handle.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Feb 2006, 16:31

Patterson would do the bug-splat-boogie just like with the Liston-go-Rounds.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 10 Feb 2006, 17:18

If Patterson freezes up and goes straight to Foreman like he did against Liston, it's over, and very quickly. However, if Patterson tries to box Foreman like he did against Chuvalo, he can prolong his suffering and extend himself into about the fourth or fifth round.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Feb 2006, 19:01

Chuvalo was tough, but he did not hit like Foreman or Liston....I'm still thinkin Bug Splat.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 10 Feb 2006, 19:43

The point was that Patterson was a good classical boxer when he wanted to be.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Feb 2006, 21:25

Didn't miss the point andI don't disagree. Just don't think the outcome would be any different.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 11 Feb 2006, 00:09

I like Floyd, But I see one of those big ole hooks or uppercuts takin him out early.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 11 Feb 2006, 00:21

I like Floyd,

everyone likes floyd, hes one of the nicest and classiest boxers ever!

..........well everyone except boxbuzz :P

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 11 Feb 2006, 15:28

Now hold on BB. I like Floyd, your right he's a nice guy. He could have been the guy driving the ice cream truck when I was a kid. But he stopped a guy named Archie Moore one night (quite by accident) and I've held on to this grudge. Patterson was the luckiest guy to ever enter the ring. He's the only reason I like Liston so because of Patterson there is more love in the world.

But your right the guy is impossible not to like. I just don't like that he was ever HW champion. I think it was a fluke. I like Braddock too.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 11 Feb 2006, 15:57

evndrbsn wrote:As much as I like Floyd Patterson, there is only one way I could envision a fight with him against George Foreman. Can anyone see any possibility other than Foreman KO 1 Patterson? I can't. I couldn't see him getting to the second round under any circumstances.

This is one of the biggest mismatches in HW fantasy history.

Patterson didn't like punchers & Foreman is the hardest hitting HW champ ever.

Foreman KO 1 - Patterson.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 12 Feb 2006, 14:30

BoxBuzz wrote:Now hold on BB. I like Floyd, your right he's a nice guy. He could have been the guy driving the ice cream truck when I was a kid. But he stopped a guy named Archie Moore one night (quite by accident) and I've held on to this grudge. Patterson was the luckiest guy to ever enter the ring. He's the only reason I like Liston so because of Patterson there is more love in the world.

But your right the guy is impossible not to like. I just don't like that he was ever HW champion. I think it was a fluke. I like Braddock too.

Boxbuzz,

Patterson stopping Moore was no accident. Floyd was fortunate he came up when he did. Marciano retired, & Liston was not yet a force in the division. That said, he was way too fast for Archie, had a pretty good lick himself, was well trained & highly committed. To beat Floyd Patterson
you needed a hell of a lot more than Ol Arch had to offer. This is not to disparge Moore in anyway. Floyd might well have held a 175-190 lb. championshio for 10 years or more had their been one. Exactly what Archie had done at L. H. Archie beat some good heavyweights in his day but he never would have beaten Floyd Patterson, because he had no
advantages in speed , power, stamina or desire.

You don't have to like it. You do have to accept it.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 12 Feb 2006, 14:58

Just hold it right there bill. What your saying makes sense, sure. And your using a tricky ploy here, good sense and logic. However just like in the theoretical fight that never happened where I see Archie beating Jersey Joe Walcott I also see Archie finding a way past Patterson.

A mongoose has no business beating a snake and yet it does time and time again. Regardless of good logic and good debate points.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it. And I do not accept the premise that on any night Floyd beats Archie. But on that night he did, and I do accept that. Does this mean I hold on to unrealistic expectations regarding Archie? Of course not, it simply means that others have yet to do the proper amount of homework on this subject. Does it mean that I underestimate Floyd Patterson? Not as much these days as I once did.

You see....I'm not intransigent in my thinking.

I think there was a thread recently that asks the question "Are there any fights that you would really like to see that never happened?

I can think of one. Patterson Moore II

Oh and if Patterson won that one then I would very much like to see

Liston-Patterson III.

I hope this helps bring to balance any suspicions of unfair bias held by me in these areas.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 12 Feb 2006, 15:02

Oh and just to stay on topic. I'm also quite certain that Moore would have lasted longer than Patterson in a fight with Foreman. At his best I think he could have managed a Besmanoff scenario. But he would have likely wanted to go to war and of course that would spell a 4 or 5 rounder vs a 1 or 2 rounder for Patterson.

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 12 Feb 2006, 15:39

BoxBuzz

If Moore was ever to beat Patterson it certainly wasn't the 43 year old 1956 version. He beat Valdes the previous year so it is not like he was washed up even at his age. If their was a prime for Archie, I'm not sure exactly when it might have been? 1948 or 1949? He was never able to handle Ezzard Charles. I don't think he would have beaten Walcott either.
He simply was not his best as a heavyweight. I always admired Harold Johnson. Here's another fight I would have loved to see. Moore - Johnson
again, around 59 or 60. Do you think Archie could have won it? I don't.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Feb 2006, 17:07

bill.lockhart wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:Now hold on BB. I like Floyd, your right he's a nice guy. He could have been the guy driving the ice cream truck when I was a kid. But he stopped a guy named Archie Moore one night (quite by accident) and I've held on to this grudge. Patterson was the luckiest guy to ever enter the ring. He's the only reason I like Liston so because of Patterson there is more love in the world.

But your right the guy is impossible not to like. I just don't like that he was ever HW champion. I think it was a fluke. I like Braddock too.
Boxbuzz,

Patterson stopping Moore was no accident. Floyd was fortunate he came up when he did. Marciano retired, & Liston was not yet a force in the division. That said, he was way too fast for Archie, had a pretty good lick himself, was well trained & highly committed. To beat Floyd Patterson
you needed a hell of a lot more than Ol Arch had to offer. This is not to disparge Moore in anyway. Floyd might well have held a 175-190 lb. championshio for 10 years or more had their been one. Exactly what Archie had done at L. H. Archie beat some good heavyweights in his day but he never would have beaten Floyd Patterson, because he had no
advantages in speed , power, stamina or desire.

You don't have to like it. You do have to accept it.

i would have liked to see archie in a rematch. like i said, archie wasnt 100% going into that fight. archie had personel issues going on that cut into his preparation and archie even talked about in his BIO how he didnt feel right mentally going into the fight. and just 10 months earlier, archie had taken a horrible beating from marciano. archie still managed to outbox patterson in the first 4 rounds before patterson knocked him out. moore was well ahead on the scorecards before the knockout. now if patterson was that much of a better heavyweight, he wouldnt have been outboxed like he was.

i would have loved to see a rematch where a much more focused and prepared moore fight patterson. i see it being a very close fight though i favor patterson because i think floyd was a better heavyweight and that floyds combination of speed and power was too much for archie. I also think floyd matches up better vs archie than marciano did.

i rate moore top 35 heavyweight of all time though, patterson top 20 heavyweight of all time

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 12 Feb 2006, 17:52

Brock

What were the cards saying after 4 rpunds? Patterson always started slowly. Boxbuzz, I don.t see Moore going 4 or 5 rounds with Foreman.
I understand he went 9 with the Rock, but Marciano would wear you down
before he could stop you. George could do the damage from a lot further away. Norton only went 2 rounds. I can't see Archie doing any better.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 12 Feb 2006, 18:17

bill.lockhart wrote:Brock

What were the cards saying after 4 rpunds? Patterson always started slowly. Boxbuzz, I don.t see Moore going 4 or 5 rounds with Foreman.
I understand he went 9 with the Rock, but Marciano would wear you down
before he could stop you. George could do the damage from a lot further away. Norton only went 2 rounds. I can't see Archie doing any better.

i dont see moore going more than 4 rounds with foreman, but foreman was a top 10 all time great heavy. not a lot of heavies could last 5 rounds with a peak foreman.

the cards of patterson-moore after 4 were

1st judge: 20-17 Archie Moore

2nd judge: 18-18 Even

3rd judge 20-16 Archie Moore

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 12 Feb 2006, 23:09

The second Judge was Pattersons Cornerman.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 13 Feb 2006, 12:13

As much as I respect Floyd Patterson, this is a big mis-match, But I'll cut Patterson some slack!!!

FOREMAN KO ROUND 2

(Patterson takes excessive damage during the duration of round 1).

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 13 Feb 2006, 12:37

Just to increase my number of posts I'll agree with everyone else and say Foreman within 3rds but most likely rd1! I think If you look at what Forman did to Frazier and I think Frazier was better than Patterson then the writings on the wall.

Nevermind Floyd!

I love ya really!

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 13 Feb 2006, 12:44

Arsenal wrote:Just to increase my number of posts I'll agree with everyone else and say Foreman within 3rds but most likely rd1! I think If you look at what Forman did to Frazier and I think Frazier was better than Patterson then the writings on the wall.

Nevermind Floyd! I love ya really!

You're saying Foreman beats Patterson in round one, because Frazier is better than Patterson?

Frazier was better than Peralta, so wouldn't he last longer?

It's not as simple as that, you see. There are many variables in a fight.

George Foreman vs. Floyd Patterson

George Foreman vs. Floyd Patterson

Floyd- Foreman

Re: Floyd- Foreman

Re: George Foreman vs. Floyd Patterson

Moore- Patterson

Pattersom- Moore

Re: Moore- Patterson

Moore- Patterson

Re: Moore- Patterson

Foreman ko!