MightyWarrior wrote:Hearn will want the hands down ( literally ) easiest of defences first, and whichever bum he digs up, he'll justify it with "well, it's his first defence isn't it.." And none of the clueless casuals will be able to tell the difference anyway, so of course he is going to go with a chinless wonder like malik Scott, who will go down faster than Bruce Seldon on a banana skin
Hearn should want to help Joshua get some half decent experience pretty quickly.
Joshua is still a novice and he could end up out of his depth pretty quickly if they are complacent.
Maybe a guy that's tough and sturdy, who will go rounds, but not provide much challenge otherwise.
MightyWarrior wrote:Hearn will want the hands down ( literally ) easiest of defences first, and whichever bum he digs up, he'll justify it with "well, it's his first defence isn't it.." And none of the clueless casuals will be able to tell the difference anyway, so of course he is going to go with a chinless wonder like malik Scott, who will go down faster than Bruce Seldon on a banana skin
Hearn should want to help Joshua get some half decent experience pretty quickly.
Joshua is still a novice and he could end up out of his depth pretty quickly if they are complacent.
All jokes aside, this is very true. Joshua badly needs a few tougher fights before he should consider facing Fury/Povetkin/Wilder. An easy defence would be crazy considering how easily he won the title against someone we all could see was pretty crap.
Agree, but he'll see this as a quick money earner, followed up by a defence with some Eastern European hard arse non puncher, who'll take him 10 rounds or something etc etc
handsofstone wrote:Martin delibritely mistimed the count which we've seen loads of times,he actually didnt look badly hurt but he wanted no more :
I thought that too. I watched it in the pub so maybe I'd have to watch it again but... He took a long count both times didn't he? He was with it enough to get up. I know he could get seriously hurt in there but that's his world title. Fury would have gotten up. You'd have to nail him to the canvas.
handsofstone wrote:Martin delibritely mistimed the count which we've seen loads of times,he actually didnt look badly hurt but he wanted no more :
I thought that too. I watched it in the pub so maybe I'd have to watch it again but... He took a long count both times didn't he? He was with it enough to get up. I know he could get seriously hurt in there but that's his world title. Fury would have gotten up. You'd have to nail him to the canvas.
It's just a way of quitting and still acting like you didn't.
LancashireLoyal wrote:sounds like its Malik Scott,that guy deserves nothing.jennings would be a good win.
Jennings is no easy mark
Obviously we know how boxing works these days, but that should not discount someone from receiving a shot.
No certainly not. If Jennings can get a solid comeback win I'd have no issue with him fighting Joshua. Don't think it would make much sense for him to fight Joshua coming off a KO loss though.
handsofstone wrote:Martin delibritely mistimed the count which we've seen loads of times,he actually didnt look badly hurt but he wanted no more :
I thought that too. I watched it in the pub so maybe I'd have to watch it again but... He took a long count both times didn't he? He was with it enough to get up. I know he could get seriously hurt in there but that's his world title. Fury would have gotten up. You'd have to nail him to the canvas.
It's just a way of quitting and still acting like you didn't.
he quit. I don't like saying it because it takes balls to get in the ring and yadda yadda but yeah, he quit. Dillian Whyte was sparked by Joshua legitimately. He fought his heart out. I wasn't impressed by Martin at all
Professional performance against a credible (certainly not world class and we all knew that before the fight but in all fairness current top 15) opponent, and put a lot of wrongs right after getting drawn into an emotionally filled brawl with Whyte, got wrote off by most because of his fight with Dillian Whyte (who IMO will probably end up at Euro level, which is a very good level, more potential than any other upcoming British Heavy currently, aside from Hughie, but he looks limited skill wise and head wise so probably be another Chisora/gatekeeper ((hope I'm wrong, we all want a British ruled Heavy division)) but they genuinely hated each other from the amateur days. AJ got drawn in Whyte's game plan, basically just a brawl and very little actual smart boxing and that's why for the first 5 rounds it was competitive. But the final two rounds AJ boxed his head off, showed composure, showed he's a boxer and not just a bruiser and showed his technical side, just like he did tonight, which by the way is good for his limited Pro career, but still a lot to improve on. The thing I was most impressed with tonight in AJ's performance wasn't the slaughter in the final 30 seconds which the majority love to see (myself included tbf) but the fact that he finally used that long reach of his consistently. We've seen dribs and drabs of AJ's jab and know if he used it consistently it would be a massive asset for him, but before tonight he hadn't used it consistently (in all fairness with the opponents he has faced he hasn't needed to but IMO practice makes perfect). Yeah Charles Martin was the IBF champ, looks a world beater if you watch his knockout reel and you just look at the final few punches, but the real boxing fans knew full well he was limited and he was also gifted that belt. He won the belt basically by default because of Glazkov's knee, and yeah fair enough in the heavyweight game one punch can change any fight but we all know the huge likelihood was gonna be a Glazkov win if not for his knee. I'm not slagging Charles Martin off because he comes across as a well grounded, decent bloke (for an American ;) (that was a joke for all you Wilder lovers), and he turned up to fight and fornicate me the kid took on one of the toughest fights available, could have been a Kell Brook (who BTW I am a HUGE fan of his ability and potential to rule that division and be a great ((in fact I'm more excited about Brook than AJ)), but will more than likely wake up one morning when he's 40 years old, retired and realised his legacy and resume and regret the fact that it consists of Jo Jo Dan, Bizier, Gary from the Chippy, Porter and Kenneth who works in the post office, but I'll save the rest of this conversation for another time). Sorry for the rant but I seem to be the only one who saw sense after that Whyte fight, everyone wrote AJ off after because he got pulled into a brawl basically (which isn't professional) but I knew full well that performance would only happen against Whyte. In a nutshell, AJ showed some massive quality tonight with his maturity, he respected Martin as an opponent and instead of just trying to kill like he got away with with some of his previous fights, he boxed, and he boxed very well and very smartly and got the job done in 2. As for the people calling for Fury v AJ right now, give your head a bang. Surely if you follow boxing properly you know right now that Fury is too ring smart and too experienced to even get close to Joshua and give him a sniff. Give it another year, a few more fights and some valuable experience, then we've got a fight on our hands.
EastHull wrote:Professional performance against a credible (certainly not world class and we all knew that before the fight but in all fairness current top 15) opponent, and put a lot of wrongs right after getting drawn into an emotionally filled brawl with Whyte, got wrote off by most because of his fight with Dillian Whyte (who IMO will probably end up at Euro level, which is a very good level, more potential than any other upcoming British Heavy currently, aside from Hughie, but he looks limited skill wise and head wise so probably be another Chisora/gatekeeper ((hope I'm wrong, we all want a British ruled Heavy division)) but they genuinely hated each other from the amateur days. AJ got drawn in Whyte's game plan, basically just a brawl and very little actual smart boxing and that's why for the first 5 rounds it was competitive. But the final two rounds AJ boxed his head off, showed composure, showed he's a boxer and not just a bruiser and showed his technical side, just like he did tonight, which by the way is good for his limited Pro career, but still a lot to improve on. The thing I was most impressed with tonight in AJ's performance wasn't the slaughter in the final 30 seconds which the majority love to see (myself included tbf) but the fact that he finally used that long reach of his consistently. We've seen dribs and drabs of AJ's jab and know if he used it consistently it would be a massive asset for him, but before tonight he hadn't used it consistently (in all fairness with the opponents he has faced he hasn't needed to but IMO practice makes perfect). Yeah Charles Martin was the IBF champ, looks a world beater if you watch his knockout reel and you just look at the final few punches, but the real boxing fans knew full well he was limited and he was also gifted that belt. He won the belt basically by default because of Glazkov's knee, and yeah fair enough in the heavyweight game one punch can change any fight but we all know the huge likelihood was gonna be a Glazkov win if not for his knee. I'm not slagging Charles Martin off because he comes across as a well grounded, decent bloke (for an American ;) (that was a joke for all you Wilder lovers), and he turned up to fight and eff me the kid took on one of the toughest fights available, could have been a Kell Brook (who BTW I am a HUGE fan of his ability and potential to rule that division and be a great ((in fact I'm more excited about Brook than AJ)), but will more than likely wake up one morning when he's 40 years old, retired and realised his legacy and resume and regret the fact that it consists of Jo Jo Dan, Bizier, Gary from the Chippy, Porter and Kenneth who works in the post office, but I'll save the rest of this conversation for another time). Sorry for the rant but I seem to be the only one who saw sense after that Whyte fight, everyone wrote AJ off after because he got pulled into a brawl basically (which isn't professional) but I knew full well that performance would only happen against Whyte. In a nutshell, AJ showed some massive quality tonight with his maturity, he respected Martin as an opponent and instead of just trying to kill like he got away with with some of his previous fights, he boxed, and he boxed very well and very smartly and got the job done in 2. As for the people calling for Fury v AJ right now, give your head a bang. Surely if you follow boxing properly you know right now that Fury is too ring smart and too experienced to even get close to Joshua and give him a sniff. Give it another year, a few more fights and some valuable experience, then we've got a fight on our hands.
EastHull wrote: Sorry for the rant but I seem to be the only one who saw sense after that Whyte fight, everyone wrote AJ off after because he got pulled into a brawl basically (which isn't professional) but I knew full well that performance would only happen against Whyte. In a nutshell, AJ showed some massive quality tonight with his maturity, he respected Martin as an opponent and instead of just trying to kill like he got away with with some of his previous fights, he boxed, and he boxed very well and very smartly and got the job done in 2.
Aye, pretty much.
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Agree 100%
He clearly just wanted a street fight with Whyte and he got it. Trying to decapitate him for the entire first round, getting clipped, making it into a brawl. It was entertaining but it wasn't pretty from a technical point of view.
The way he started against Martin (and lets be honest, he never got out of first gear) showed much more calmness, awareness that sometimes boxers will try and hit you back and a willingness to wait for an opening rather than just unloading power punches from the off. There is still a massive question mark over his stamina but the way he fought last night lends itself much more to longer fights than the performance against Whyte.
And you're right about Fury. I got carried away watching last night (I'm almost certain I uttered the words, "fornicate it, fight Fury next weekend!") but the challenges Fury poses are almost unique in the division and Joshua will need more experience to make it a 50:50 fight.
The sensible route - blast through someone in the summer, Parker/Takam winner at the end of the year, Haye early next year, Fury in the summer.
the_doctor wrote:Joshua will need more experience to make it a 50:50 fight.
The sensible route - blast through someone in the summer, Parker/Takam winner at the end of the year, Haye early next year, Fury in the summer.
Ah, the idealistic and purely fantasy-based 'Incremental Road To Glory' Something Fury clearly did to be 'ready' for Wlad, with his murderer's row of Abell, shot Chisora and Hammer.
Riddick Blowe wrote:Joshua would destroy Fury tomorrow.
Why? Because he can smash up a bunch of chumps?
Riddick Blowe wrote:Um, let's not forget that Fury was running scared of Price for a reason.
Fury has improved somewhat but as soon as Price lands it's Goodnight Vienna. Who knows when or if this fight happens now. I guess the ball is in Fury's court...
Riddick Blowe wrote:Joshua would destroy Fury tomorrow.
Why? Because he can smash up a bunch of chumps?
Riddick Blowe wrote:Um, let's not forget that Fury was running scared of Price for a reason.
Fury has improved somewhat but as soon as Price lands it's Goodnight Vienna. Who knows when or if this fight happens now. I guess the ball is in Fury's court...
You were saying the same about Price.
Jesus. That's some fanatical digging Horse.
Pretty sure I'll be right this time, anyway, for those people who actually care about these things. Not that Price ever actually fought Fury.
Reminds me of the arum line about how its just that he was lying yesterday but today he's telling the truth, 'yes I was wrong that time I passionately insisted I was right, but wasn't- the difference is, this time I'm right'
Riddick Blowe wrote:Joshua would destroy Fury tomorrow.
Why? Because he can smash up a bunch of chumps?
Riddick Blowe wrote:Um, let's not forget that Fury was running scared of Price for a reason.
Fury has improved somewhat but as soon as Price lands it's Goodnight Vienna. Who knows when or if this fight happens now. I guess the ball is in Fury's court...
You were saying the same about Price.
Because he KOed every single opponend he had in less time as any of his opponends have ever been KOed.
Something Fury clearly did to be 'ready' for Wlad, with his murderer's row of Abell, shot Chisora and Hammer.