List of boxers with victories over 10 top-20 opponents

[Leonid]

I've seen this topic briefly mentioned in another thread and it was suggested that the list must be quite long. It might be, if we consider the entire history and give the benefit of a doubt to the borderline opponents, who were considered top-20 of their weight category at the time of a fight. But what if we don't?

Considering only active boxers, and I mean FMJ and Pac have just retired, the list may actually only have one name to it - Wladimir Klitschko. He may actually have 10 top-10 opponents on his resume. Who else?

GGG, Chocolatito, Canelo, Cotto, Bradley may deserve a shout, but I'm not so sure about them, one can easily discount a few borderline top-20 opponents and they all fall short.

What's your take on this? And how many boxers would you imagine have that kind of accomplishment in the entire history?

BTW we only get on average 4 guys in each weight category, who has wins over 10 top-50 opponents as per https://premierboxingorganisation.com/
Now that is unexpectedly short list.

[bigman1968]

I've seen this topic briefly mentioned in another thread and it was suggested that the list must be quite long. It might be, if we consider the entire history and give the benefit of a doubt to the borderline opponents, who were considered top-20 of their weight category at the time of a fight. But what if we don't?

Considering only active boxers, and I mean FMJ and Pac have just retired, the list may actually only have one name to it - Wladimir Klitschko. He may actually have 10 top-10 opponents on his resume. Who else?

GGG, Chocolatito, Canelo, Cotto, Bradley may deserve a shout, but I'm not so sure about them, one can easily discount a few borderline top-20 opponents and they all fall short.

What's your take on this? And how many boxers would you imagine have that kind of accomplishment in the entire history?

BTW we only get on average 4 guys in each weight category, who has wins over 10 top-50 opponents as per https://premierboxingorganisation.com/
Now that is unexpectedly short list.

I was the one who "started" the topic And I was interested about HW only, since they fight usually less fights a year than Flies

So Louis, Ali and W. Klitchko?Who else are possible?

[BitPlayer]

Lennox Lewis?

[IRLangmaid25]

Heavyweight can only be Wladimir K. Outside of heavyweight division don't know whether he has called it a day or not but.Bernard Hopkins must be worth a shout.

[gilgamesh]

At least 80% of the fighters you see in the Top 10 have themselves beaten a Top 10 or Top 20 opponent. Usually more than one. To put a list of fighters who have done this would take you all day long.

[punchoutsb]

The original question was who fought ten top twenty guys, and that list is far too long. Any champion with more than five or six title defenses will be on it, along with many top contenders. Heck, I think Povetkins close to ten and his resume doesn't stack up on any sort of all time basis.

If you're asking who BEAT ten top 20 opponents, that list will be shorter.

[Leonid]

The original question was who fought ten top twenty guys, and that list is far too long. Any champion with more than five or six title defenses will be on it, along with many top contenders. Heck, I think Povetkins close to ten and his resume doesn't stack up on any sort of all time basis.

If you're asking who BEAT ten top 20 opponents, that list will be shorter.

I can't think of any active boxers, who has a double digit number of wins over top-20 opponents, other than W.Klit (someone mentioned B-Hop, who certainly deserves a shout, but its been a year and a half since his loss to Kovalev and Boxrec does not have him among active fighters). And I also don't think there's more than a handful of active guys who fought ten top-20s. Could you give any examples please? Povetkin is the second most accomplished active HW in terms of resume depth, but I see only 6 top-20 victories over Perez, Takam, Huck, Chagaev, Chambers, Byrd and a loss to Wlad. There were another 4 borderline guys in Charr, Boswell, Estrada and Donald, but I don't see any of them as quite deserving of that ranking.

[punchoutsb]

The original question was who fought ten top twenty guys, and that list is far too long. Any champion with more than five or six title defenses will be on it, along with many top contenders. Heck, I think Povetkins close to ten and his resume doesn't stack up on any sort of all time basis.

If you're asking who BEAT ten top 20 opponents, that list will be shorter.

I can't think of any active boxers, who has a double digit number of wins over top-20 opponents, other than W.Klit (someone mentioned B-Hop, who certainly deserves a shout, but its been a year and a half since his loss to Kovalev and Boxrec does not have him among active fighters). And I also don't think there's more than a handful of active guys who fought ten top-20s. Could you give any examples please? Povetkin is the second most accomplished active HW in terms of resume depth, but I see only 6 top-20 victories over Perez, Takam, Huck, Chagaev, Chambers, Byrd and a loss to Wlad. There were another 4 borderline guys in Charr, Boswell, Estrada and Donald, but I don't see any of them as quite deserving of that ranking.

Well again the original question was who fought, not beat, and that list is too long to give all time.

As far as active heavies go, I think Klitschko and Povetkin are the only two, but that has a lot more to do with Wlad's dominance than with ten top twenty opponents being out of the ordinary. Aside from special permission, a title must be defended against a top fifteen fighter. In the past top 20-30 guys fought each other to earn that ranking and also fought to keep it. Today you can pad a record up to a title shot (like Wilder did), but at least winning that belt would force you to defend against a ranked opponent.

[Leonid]

The original question was who fought ten top twenty guys, and that list is far too long. Any champion with more than five or six title defenses will be on it, along with many top contenders. Heck, I think Povetkins close to ten and his resume doesn't stack up on any sort of all time basis.

If you're asking who BEAT ten top 20 opponents, that list will be shorter.

I can't think of any active boxers, who has a double digit number of wins over top-20 opponents, other than W.Klit (someone mentioned B-Hop, who certainly deserves a shout, but its been a year and a half since his loss to Kovalev and Boxrec does not have him among active fighters). And I also don't think there's more than a handful of active guys who fought ten top-20s. Could you give any examples please? Povetkin is the second most accomplished active HW in terms of resume depth, but I see only 6 top-20 victories over Perez, Takam, Huck, Chagaev, Chambers, Byrd and a loss to Wlad. There were another 4 borderline guys in Charr, Boswell, Estrada and Donald, but I don't see any of them as quite deserving of that ranking.

Well again the original question was who fought, not beat, and that list is too long to give all time.

As far as active heavies go, I think Klitschko and Povetkin are the only two, but that has a lot more to do with Wlad's dominance than with ten top twenty opponents being out of the ordinary. Aside from special permission, a title must be defended against a top fifteen fighter. In the past top 20-30 guys fought each other to earn that ranking and also fought to keep it. Today you can pad a record up to a title shot (like Wilder did), but at least winning that belt would force you to defend against a ranked opponent.

Well, IMO the accomplishment in question is out of the ordinary and has nothing to do with Wlad's dominance. It is evidenced by the fact that there is hardly any active boxer in any other of 17 weight classes that has at least fought ten top-20 opponents. Can you suggest any, if you follow weight classes other than HW? Guys that I already mentioned in my first post may be the closest candidates, but thats only a handful that may or may not qualify.

PS. Top fifteen requirement for champions is only relevant to certain ABC org and its own ranking, that does not represent the objective top-15. There may literally be 50 different fighters ranked by some org as top-15 at the same time. And here we are talking about consensus top-20, which may sound abstract, but imagine something like the Ring ranking corrected for anomalies and bias by summarized comments of boxing experts.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Surely Bradley has. Cotto, Gonzalez, Moreno.

[punchoutsb]

Well, IMO the accomplishment in question is out of the ordinary and has nothing to do with Wlad's dominance. It is evidenced by the fact that there is hardly any active boxer in any other of 17 weight classes that has at least fought ten top-20 opponents. Can you suggest any, if you follow weight classes other than HW? Guys that I already mentioned in my first post may be the closest candidates, but thats only a handful that may or may not qualify.

PS. Top fifteen requirement for champions is only relevant to certain ABC org and its own ranking, that does not represent the objective top-15. There may literally be 50 different fighters ranked by some org as top-15 at the same time. And here we are talking about consensus top-20, which may sound abstract, but imagine something like the Ring ranking corrected for anomalies and bias by summarized comments of boxing experts.

Well if we continue adding to the original question then of course the list will get more and more narrow.

Going by a non-existent, opinion based top twenty it would be impossible to quantify anything because everyone would be using their own criteria. We've got a poster here claiming Bradley isn't a top ten welter as an example. So if the question has now become "Has any fighter fought/beaten/whatever 10 of the 20 "best" of their era according to someones opinion?", then I have no clue.

[Leonid]

Surely Bradley has. Cotto, Gonzalez, Moreno.

Moreno: Yamanaka and Mares losses + wins over Darchinyan, Cermeno, Sydorenko, Lunas. I have significant doubt re other opponents beloning in the top 20, and although I may lack the knowledge, boxrec and premiereboxing seem to agree with me.

Gonzalez: Viloria, Sosa, Fuentes, Yaegashi, Estrada, Takayama, Niida. I'm not sure who else qualify, but at the minimumweight and light fly the competition is so low, that some agressively mediocre guys might have made the cut to top-20.

[Leonid]

Well, IMO the accomplishment in question is out of the ordinary and has nothing to do with Wlad's dominance. It is evidenced by the fact that there is hardly any active boxer in any other of 17 weight classes that has at least fought ten top-20 opponents. Can you suggest any, if you follow weight classes other than HW? Guys that I already mentioned in my first post may be the closest candidates, but thats only a handful that may or may not qualify.

PS. Top fifteen requirement for champions is only relevant to certain ABC org and its own ranking, that does not represent the objective top-15. There may literally be 50 different fighters ranked by some org as top-15 at the same time. And here we are talking about consensus top-20, which may sound abstract, but imagine something like the Ring ranking corrected for anomalies and bias by summarized comments of boxing experts.

Well if we continue adding to the original question then of course the list will get more and more narrow.

Going by a non-existent, opinion based top twenty it would be impossible to quantify anything because everyone would be using their own criteria. We've got a poster here claiming Bradley isn't a top ten welter as an example. So if the question has now become "Has any fighter fought/beaten/whatever 10 of the 20 "best" of their era according to someones opinion?", then I have no clue.

Ok, so "The original question was who fought ten top twenty guys, and that list is far too long." Whatever rating you implied (your own or something like consensus) that resulted in a far too long list, should account for plenty of active fighters, as there's currently a lot of cases of "Any champion with more than five or six title defenses will be on it, along with many top contenders." And I struggle to find new names that qualify. Care to produce some list of names?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Donaire, nietes, viloria, segura, h Marquez, Jmm, Khan, Peterson, Dawson, Garcia, Mosley, Huck, salido, etc...

[gilgamesh]

I actually misread the thread title. I thought he was asking. Who has victories over a Top 10 or Top 20 guy. Which would be damn near anybody that's ranked, but he's asking who's beaten 10 or more Top 20 guys. Much different question. My bad.

[crusader]

I think Sturm has fought at least 10 opponents who had strong top 20 claims.

[Lennox]

If the question is how many boxers have fought more than 10 top 20 fighters then it will be a lot, as there are quite a few that have lots of losses and are say 5-5 (think Glen Johnson).

If you go to http://www.premierboxingorganisation.co ... EAVYWEIGHT

That traces the world title fights for each heavyweight champion (you can go through the divisions). There will be other contest where they fought top 20 fighters as well, if you want to know a few I can find them.

Floyd Mayweather is obviously the fighter that beat the best opponents (since 1992).

[Leonid]

It is interesting to see how rare of an accomplishment it is to have victories over ten top-20 opponents, especially when judging someones resume. I try to limit it to active boxers as the list would be too long, so FMJ, Pac, JMM, Segura, Hopkins are out.

So far we have 5 surefire achievers in Wlad, Bradley, Cotto, Donaire, Mosley.

Others might qualify depending on a rating since they beat a few borderline top-20 guys: Gonzalez, Khan, Moreno, Nietes, Garcia, Huck.

The other poster also expressed interest in a list of guys who FOUGHT 10 top-20 opps, and there some additional names may qualify - Glen Johnson, Sturm, Dawson, Salido, Viloria, Peterson and the list of warriors can probably go on.

Any additions? Would you move someone between these categories?

[dberry]

What about Adamak and Cunningham? I'm pretty sure they meet the criteria from just there light heavy and cruiserweight careers and both are still active, RJJ too.

[dberry]

I reckon Sam Soliman has at least fought 10 top 20 fighters too, perhaps even beaten 10.

[Lennox]

Currently active fighters with 10 or more wins against independently ranked top 20 fighters at the time of the fight.
Wladimir Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
Antonio Tarver
Tomasz Adamek
Marco Huck
Roy Jones
Arthur Abraham
Lucien Bute
Felix Sturm
Gennady Golovkin
Canelo Alvarez
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao
Tim Bradley
Danny Garcia
Amir Khan
Robert Guerero
Shane Mosley
Nonito Donaire

[Boxing Prospect]

Surely Bradley has. Cotto, Gonzalez, Moreno.

Moreno: Yamanaka and Mares losses + wins over Darchinyan, Cermeno, Sydorenko, Lunas. I have significant doubt re other opponents beloning in the top 20, and although I may lack the knowledge, boxrec and premiereboxing seem to agree with me.

Gonzalez: Viloria, Sosa, Fuentes, Yaegashi, Estrada, Takayama, Niida. I'm not sure who else qualify, but at the minimumweight and light fly the competition is so low, that some agressively mediocre guys might have made the cut to top-20.

Estrada and Rodriguez for Gonzalez too...can't think of many fighters who beat 3 men who went on to win unified titles..

[Boxing Prospect]

Yaegashi has faced 10 tip 20, not beat them all though
Eagle Den, Srisaket (obviously wasn't at the time), Porpramook, Ioka, Igarashi, Sosa, Gonzalez, Guevara, Mendoza and Horikawa was #20 on Boxrec at the time

Impressive given he has only 28 fights to his name

Wonder how long it'll take Naoya and Takuma to do it

[Lennox]

Surely Bradley has. Cotto, Gonzalez, Moreno.

Moreno: Yamanaka and Mares losses + wins over Darchinyan, Cermeno, Sydorenko, Lunas. I have significant doubt re other opponents beloning in the top 20, and although I may lack the knowledge, boxrec and premiereboxing seem to agree with me.

Gonzalez: Viloria, Sosa, Fuentes, Yaegashi, Estrada, Takayama, Niida. I'm not sure who else qualify, but at the minimumweight and light fly the competition is so low, that some agressively mediocre guys might have made the cut to top-20.

Estrada and Rodriguez for Gonzalez too...can't think of many fighters who beat 3 men who went on to win unified titles..

Anselmo Moreno isn't.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Payano should be added to moreno, that makes 9 off of his list. i'd be surprised if there wasn't another one in there. And if there isn't his next fight will make 10.