Post Your Scorecards

[davie]

Carrying on Seamus's heavyweight theme, I picked a mix up of your bouts and went for Holmes vs Shavers 2

1. Holmes
2. Holmes
3. Draw
4. Holmes
5. Holmes
6. Holmes
7. Shavers 10-8
8. Holmes
9. Holmes ***
10. Holmes
11. TKO

***One of those ones you just don't know how to score. Holmes was so far ahead you could have given it to him 10-8. Shaver knocks him down (ref scored it a slip) If you counted it a KD you could give it 10-8 Shavers. Honestly wouldn't argue with any score for either fighter in this round. I've given it 10-9 Holmes

I was preparing to write my match report along the lines of "absolute boxing masterclass by Holmes, a clinic in defensive boxing, moving, counter punching and a textbook example of how to deal with a dangerous puncher."
Then Blam, he gets nailed with that right in the 7th. From then on a thoroughly enjoyable scrap

All in a very entertaining and enjoyable heavyweight bout with a bit of everything.


Tim Witherspoon vs Pinklon Thomas

1. Witherspoon
2. Witherspoon
3. Thomas
4. Thomas
5. Thomas - 1 point off Withspoon
6. Thomas
7. Witherspoon
8. Witherspoon
9. Witherspoon
10. Draw
11. Thomas
12. Thomas
113 - 115 to Thomas

Decent fight with plenty punches thrown from the opening bell
However quite one paced, not a lot in terms of movement. Both men content to stay in punching range for much of the fight as though not concerned by the other mans power. (which is odd as they both boasted a decent KO percentage)
Both guys looked good fighters, decent technically but neither struck me as world class
With these two guys, Weaver, Tubbs, Page and Berbick fighting for the title, the division really needed a Tyson and Holyfield to come along

[Counter-puncher]

Larrys recovery from that right hand never ceases to impress me

[davie]

Tony Tucker vs James Douglas

1. Tucker
2. Tucker
3. Douglas
4. Tucker
5. Tucker
6. Douglas
7. Douglas
8. Tucker
9. Tucker
10. TKO

Decent performance by Tucker, 87-84 ahead on my card and a good finish, knowing quickly when to pounce.
Next up, Greg Page vs Tony Tubbs, Donovan Ruddock vs Tommy Morrison and Oliver Mccall vs Bruce Seldon

[scartissue]

Don't know if anyone has scored this one, but I just watched the Ike Quartey v Oba Carr 12 rounder. Good fight, but I had it a bit closer than the commentators. It's a bit all over the place because of point deductions but here it is.

Round 1: 10-9 Quartey
Round 2: 10-9 Carr
Round 3: 10-9 Carr
Round 4: 10-9 Carr (I scored the round even but Mercante deducted a point from Ike For pulling on the neck of Carr - the deduction was a bit harsh)
Round 5: 10-9 Quartey
Round 6: 10-9 Quartey
Round 7: 10-9 Quartey
Round 8: 10-8 Quartey (I scored it 10-9, but Mercante deducted a point from Carr for a low blow)
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 9-9 Even (scored it for Carr but Mercante deducted another point from Carr for a low blow)
Round 11: 10-8 Carr (thought Carr won the round but disagreed with the knockdown - but the ref scored it and it has to be counted)
Round 12: 10-9 Quartey

Total: 114-112 Quartey

Two judges had it wide for Ike and one had it even. Personally, I loved the speedy combos thrown by Carr. A style of boxing I enjoy, but one can see Ike really exerting his dominance in the middle rounds. A good finish over the last 3 rounds by both fighters made it an enjoyable fight.

[Counter-puncher]

I just scored Quartey- De la Hoya, as it happens.

1. Dlh
2. Quartey
3. Dlh
4. Even, shitty round
5. Quartey
6. Quartey
7. Quartey
8. Quartey
9. Quartey
10. Dlh
11. Dlh
12. Dlh 10-8

114-114, pretty poor fight, both guys had too much respect for each other for too long, other than the really crappy 4th there.were a couple more that I could barely split who was least inactive.

[elmersalsa]

I just scored Quartey- De la Hoya, as it happens.

1. Dlh
2. Quartey
3. Dlh
4. Even, shitty round
5. Quartey
6. Quartey
7. Quartey
8. Quartey
9. Quartey
10. Dlh
11. Dlh
12. Dlh 10-8

114-114, pretty poor fight, both guys had too much respect for each other for too long, other than the really crappy 4th there.were a couple more that I could barely split who was least inactive.

Oscar kicked his ass

[Counter-puncher]

[elmersalsa]

[Counter-puncher]

Nobody kicked anyone's ass in that fight. They barely threw 900 punches between them and nearly half the rounds were studies in scoring for the guy who was least passive. If you think that was an asskicking you need help

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That fight is big time overrated, two exciting rounds. I had Ike by a point.

[gilgamesh]

I had it for Oscar by a point. The 12th round got it for him.

[davie]

Buchanan vs Laguna II

1. Buchanan
2. Laguna
3. Buchanan
4. Laguna
5. Buchanan
6. Buchanan
7. Buchanan
8. Buchanan
9. Laguna
10. Buchanan
11. Laguna
12. Buchanan
13. Laguna
14. Buchanan 10-8. Ref should have given Laguna a count, the ropes kept him up twice.
15. Buchanan

145-139 Buchanan using current scoring

[scartissue]

Found an old scorecard when cleaning out some old material in the garage and since my scoring really hasn't changed too much over the years I'll consider it still valid. To tell you how long I've been doing this I scored this live off of TV. Here we go, the third Rodrigo Valdes - Bennie Briscoe fight.

Round 1: 10-9 Briscoe
Round 2: 10-9 Briscoe
Round 3: 10-9 Valdes
Round 4: 10-9 Valdes
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Valdes
Round 7: 10-9 Valdes
Round 8: 10-9 Valdes
Round 9: 10-9 Valdes
Round 10: 10-9 Valdes
Round 11: 10-9 Valdes
Round 12: 10-9 Briscoe
Round 13: 10-9 Valdes
Round 14: 10-9 Valdes
Round 15: 10-9 Valdes

Total: 147-139 Valdes

I was a big Bennie Briscoe fan but I thought the officials had it way too close. It was a dominating performance by Valdes against a Briscoe who was just getting too old.

[scartissue]

Here's one I should have tackled awhile ago. Oscar DeLaHoya against Pernell Whitaker. For all its controversey, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 2: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 3: 10-9 DeLaHoya (I actually had it 10-10 but that was a silly decision to deduct a point for the accidental butt from PW)
Round 4: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 5: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 6: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 7: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 8: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 9: 10-8 Whitaker (bad call on the knockdown - nobody seemd to notice that OD's left leg and Pw's right leg was tangled)
Round 10: 10-9 DeLaHoya
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 DeLaHoya

Total: 115-113 DeLaHoya

I had it closer than the judges but the same winner.

[scartissue]

I hit Duran-DeJesus III today. Magnificent fight. I know the first time I saw it I had Duran ahead, but I recall reading one of the wire services had DeJesus ahead, so thought it was worth another look-see. These two were at their 135 best.

Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Duran
Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Duran
Round 10: 10-9 Duran
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran

Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive. I'll have to check out Duran-Lampkin next.

Still cleaning out the garage and found another scorecard, but it was one I already posted that I rewatched recently, the third fight between Duran and DeJesus, so I had to check it out and see how much my scoring has changed in 38 years. Lo and behold, it hasn't changed much. The only difference from my recent card above is the 3rd round which i scored for Duran back then and the 7th round which I scored an even round for a 108-103 card for Duran. Not too shabby.

[davie]

I hit Duran-DeJesus III today. Magnificent fight. I know the first time I saw it I had Duran ahead, but I recall reading one of the wire services had DeJesus ahead, so thought it was worth another look-see. These two were at their 135 best.

Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Duran
Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Duran
Round 10: 10-9 Duran
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran

Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive. I'll have to check out Duran-Lampkin next.

Still cleaning out the garage and found another scorecard, but it was one I already posted that I rewatched recently, the third fight between Duran and DeJesus, so I had to check it out and see how much my scoring has changed in 38 years. Lo and behold, it hasn't changed much. The only difference from my recent card above is the 3rd round which i scored for Duran back then and the 7th round which I scored an even round for a 108-103 card for Duran. Not too shabby.

Unless of course your scoring is wildly out and you have been scoring consistently poorly over the last 40 years

I haven't seen the 3rd fight however, so I can't comment.

[davie]

I hit Duran-DeJesus III today. Magnificent fight. I know the first time I saw it I had Duran ahead, but I recall reading one of the wire services had DeJesus ahead, so thought it was worth another look-see. These two were at their 135 best.

Round 1: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Duran
Round 5: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 DeJesus
Round 8: 10-9 Duran
Round 9: 10-9 Duran
Round 10: 10-9 Duran
Round 11: 10-9 Duran
Round 12: Duran stops DeJesus

Total through 11 completed rounds: 107-104 Duran

Razor sharp combos galore back and forth and all rounds close and competitive. I'll have to check out Duran-Lampkin next.

Still cleaning out the garage and found another scorecard, but it was one I already posted that I rewatched recently, the third fight between Duran and DeJesus, so I had to check it out and see how much my scoring has changed in 38 years. Lo and behold, it hasn't changed much. The only difference from my recent card above is the 3rd round which i scored for Duran back then and the 7th round which I scored an even round for a 108-103 card for Duran. Not too shabby.

1: 10-9 DeJesus
2: 10-9 Duran
3: 10-9 DeJesus
4: 10-9 Duran
5: 10-9 Duran
6: 10-9 Duran
7: 10-9 DeJesus
8: 10-9 Duran
9: 10-9 Duran
10: 10-9 Duran
11: 10-9 Duran
12: Duran stoppage

I changed 3 rounds from you card above. 2 of them however were drawn on your card and I'm finding myself scoring rounds these days, doing anything I can to give a round to someone, for some reason.
I seem to have developed a phobia of 10-10 rounds

8-11 were easy rounds to give to Roberto though.

[scartissue]

Davie, I think we are certainly in line with each other's cards. Really only the 5th round we disagreed on. There isn't much of an actual disagreement when one scores for a fighter and another is even, but when one scores a round for a different fighter then there is a disagreement and we only had one round off. That wasn't too bad. Regarding even rounds, I know people (like Harold Lederman for one) never score an even round, that there is something in the round that favors one of the fighters. But I don't have an issue with even rounds. In fact I think it does a disservice to one fighter when the judge just has to find a winner to a round. I think it should be apparent to the judge and I think that round where the judge pushed himself to find something in order to give it to one fighter has really penalized the other dude. Hey, I guess I'm on a soapbox today. At least we're not like some of those judges in the Orient or South America who would score a 15 rounder as 149 to 146. Really? 4-1-10. Now that's not just fence-sitting, that's partiality.

[Ambling Alp II]

Very few rounds should be scored even. I think a lot of people really don't focus on a round and call it even too much.
Most fights I don't have one even round.

If you are watch a fight with someone, and the other person pause the TV, you ought to be able to tell them how you have the round scored up to that point.
I am skeptical that many people could honestly do do that.

[Seamus]

I strongly disagree. There's a long precedent for calling alot of rounds even throughout the history of boxing and with good reason. Alot of those rds if forced to pick, you call for one fighter one time and the other guy another. Then there's the case where the 1st rd could have gone either way, but you gave it to fighter A, and then fighter B had a big 2nd rd that was almost 10-8, but not quite, and so by that line of reasoning you have the fight scored 19-19 which is ridiculous.

[Ambling Alp II]

If you really can't decide, then yes you should call it even instead of giving it to one guy just for the heck of it.
But very few rounds are really "even". Probably less than 1 out 10. If one guy was better but just barely, you should still give him the round 10-9. You can't worry about the other rounds.

And more rounds should be scored 10-8. There should not have to be a knockdown for it to be scored 10-8.

[scartissue]

Don't know if this one has been done, but today I rewatched the Alexis Arguello-Ruben Castillo fight which ended in the 11th round. Nice fight - 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Arguello
Round 2: 10-9 Arguello
Round 3: 10-9 Castillo
Round 4: 10-9 Arguello
Round 5: 10-9 Castillo
Round 6: 10-9 Castillo
Round 7: 10-9 Castillo
Round 8: 10-9 Castillo
Round 9: 10-9 Arguello
Round 10: 10-9 Arguello
Round 11: TKO for Arguello

Total through 10 completed rounds: 95-95 Even

The official scores were 97-96 twice for Arguello and the third judge said 97-96 Castillo. That would equate to 4-3-3 in rounds. I was tempted to score the 8th even but felt Castillo did enough. Arguello was methodical in slowly breaking down Ruben. Good fight.

[scartissue]

Just watched the second bout between Bobby Chacon and Bazooka Limon. I saw this one on delayed telecast in '79 and felt it was a really good performance by Bobby. I still do, but should note that by '77 I saw a difference in Chacon from his '74 featherweight days. Back in '74 Bobby was adept at slipping, sliding, ducking and jabbing as well as his prodigious punching power. But back then he was the complete package. By this time his reflexes were eroded severely and we had the blood and guts fighter most people know. But he really pulled this one back in time as well as his fight with Arguello two fights later, where it wasn't just bombs away. Really good fight with official scores of 60-56, 59-56 and 59-56 through 6 completed rounds. Limon was always known as a dirty fighter and was really using his head in close. He did a number on Bobby in the 2nd round with the head that had Bobby seeing red and retaliating (with punches) in a clinch. Bazooka probably caused his own issues when he himself was cut, but to tell you the truth, it was hard to see and the southpaw/orthodox styles of the two may have been the main culprit with the ending of the bout in the 7th round due to Limon being cut.

I scored rounds 2, 4, 5 and 6 for Chacon. Round 3 for Limon and the first round even for a 59-56 scorecard for Chacon. Don't know the rounds the officials scored, but we seem to be in the same zone on this one. A bout worth checking out.

[Counter-puncher]

but should note that by '77 I saw a difference in Chacon from his '74 featherweight days. Back in '74 Bobby was adept at slipping, sliding, ducking and jabbing as well as his prodigious punching power. But back then he was the complete package. By this time his reflexes were eroded severely and we had the blood and guts fighter most people know. But he really pulled this one back in time as well as his fight with Arguello two fights later, where it wasn't just bombs away.

Oh absolutely, I have always felt chacons skills eroded considerably over a relatively short time, he moved his head and feet less as his career went on, abd I thought he started to push with his punches too, and didn't have the explosive snap he had as a younger, almost prodigious, fighter.

[scartissue]

but should note that by '77 I saw a difference in Chacon from his '74 featherweight days. Back in '74 Bobby was adept at slipping, sliding, ducking and jabbing as well as his prodigious punching power. But back then he was the complete package. By this time his reflexes were eroded severely and we had the blood and guts fighter most people know. But he really pulled this one back in time as well as his fight with Arguello two fights later, where it wasn't just bombs away.

Oh absolutely, I have always felt chacons skills eroded considerably over a relatively short time, he moved his head and feet less as his career went on, abd I thought he started to push with his punches too, and didn't have the explosive snap he had as a younger, almost prodigious, fighter.

Counter, I also see that Bobby's fight with Art Frias is up on youtube, but I absolutely refuse to watch it. I saw his fight with Rafael Solis back in the day live and it was embarrassing. Bobby was throwing punches like a girl and I don't want to see another from that era. I prefer to remember my heroes in their prime.