Pacquiao won against Mayweather

[Tanzio]

Nope FMJ was choreographed to win that dance exhibition.

[Monte Fisto]

Best week of my life, Vegas was buzzing and having a golden ticket felt amazing. Was never going to be what it could have been 5 years earlier but it was a very close technical bout. On the night I had mayweather by a couple (I think), but many thought manny was robbed inside the arena. If you just watch he highlights then it feels like manny won.

Many think Many was hard done by, but it was a typical floyd points victory.

The fight is nowhere near as bad as people make out. expectation was just bigger than any fight I can think of.

[Badhusker]

Some Manny fans are so loyal and/or stupid they probably thought him getting KO'd by JMM was a robbery, and he should have been allowed to continue.after he woke up....All I heard after that fight was "he was winning the fight!!!" (before he got KTFO) Time to move on.....

[jezzamundo]

I watched it twice by my self at home once with no commentary once with commentary it was back and fourth for the first 6 rounds I had it 3-3 then Floyd took over and won 6,7,8,9,10,11,12

Not many would agree that Floyd won round 6, however I agree with the general sentiment that Floyd took over as the fight went on. I had Manny up 4-2 after the first six (but I could definitely see 3-3), but after that I only had him winning the 10th, while I had one round even (I forget which now) and Floyd winning four of the last six rounds. I felt that Floyd could have won more clearly had he gone for it, but as it was he just did enough to win. While I only had Floyd winning by a point, I think 116-112 was a fair scorecard. Were it a prime 2009-2010 Pacquiao, I think it would have been a much better fight and I would actually favour Manny to have won.

[Vinsanity]

I watched it twice by my self at home once with no commentary once with commentary it was back and fourth for the first 6 rounds I had it 3-3 then Floyd took over and won 6,7,8,9,10,11,12

Not many would agree that Floyd won round 6, however I agree with the general sentiment that Floyd took over as the fight went on. I had Manny up 4-2 after the first six (but I could definitely see 3-3), but after that I only had him winning the 10th, while I had one round even (I forget which now) and Floyd winning four of the last six rounds. I felt that Floyd could have won more clearly had he gone for it, but as it was he just did enough to win. While I only had Floyd winning by a point, I think 116-112 was a fair scorecard. Were it a prime 2009-2010 Pacquiao, I think it would have been a much better fight and I would actually favour Manny to have won.

Floyd was better 5 years ago as was manny but I don't see manny beating Floyd, floyd is just too good, but I herd from a really good source that Floyd over trained for the Pacman fight and he was pissing basicly black urine and that's why he used the IV he was dangerously dehydrated, the guy from mayweathers camp told me he was in the gym for 4-5 hours straight just murdering himself he even told me Floyd sparred for like almost an hour with no break just madness. and then he told me for the berto camp he toned it down a lot still trained hard but only trained 3 hours a day and took the last week off before the berto fight and look what we saw in the berto fight Floyd was flawless sometimes training too much can hurt you

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I had the fight a draw in real time but watching the replay and not being blinded by my prediction that Pacman would win I know now that Mayweather deserved the dec so you know i'd love a rematch

[gilgamesh]

I had the fight a draw in real time but watching the replay and not being blinded by my prediction that Pacman would win I know now that Mayweather deserved the dec so you know i'd love a rematch

It'd be the same thing in a rematch. A dull fight where Floyd wins, and Pac fans reaching every which way for an excuse.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I had the fight a draw in real time but watching the replay and not being blinded by my prediction that Pacman would win I know now that Mayweather deserved the dec so you know i'd love a rematch

It'd be the same thing in a rematch. A dull fight where Floyd wins, and Pac fans reaching every which way for an excuse.

Ok Nostra that puts an end to that

[davie]

This is hardly even worth commenting on but seeing as though people still can't accept the fact that Manny lost and Floyd won easily by a very huge margin that I feel i had to get my little worthless two cents in.

This is where someone named Undefeated49-0 is always going to lose credibility. I'm pro manny, but can be fair and say that Floyd won this (not all Manny fans/Floyd haters are incapable of judging a fight.) But how anyone can judge this fight as being "won easily" and by a "very huge margin" is just astounding even for the most partisan nut-hugger. Next to nothing of note happened in the fight. Despite that ridiculous video counting non existent punches, the punch stats were very close (and very low)

You can tell when Floyd win a fight by judging from the crowd reaction, the Pacquiao fans were totally silent, even I was begging for Manny to do more/something/anything just to try and make a fight out of it but he didn't and he got thoroughly outboxed for all but two rounds (4th and 6th) and let's not even bother to talk about the rest of the criteria for scoring:

The crowd were quiet because they were mostly sleeping or at the bar. If it were as you say the Floyd fans would have been making a noise, surely?

Ring Generalship (this was in no way, shape or form a Manny fight at all)<<<Floyd dominated in that category.

Floyd dictated the terms of the fight and the pace of the fight

Effective Aggression-Manny had two moments in the fight where he won it easily in the 4th and 6th but outside of that he was coming forward and being mostly ineffective due to missing 3 times as much as he landed.

Yes Manny struggled to engage the way he would have liked but given he was the only one showing aggression, he dominates that category in the same way Floyd dominates ring generalship

Defense-can this really even be up for debate when everyone can clearly see the frustration Pacquiao was wearing on his face and we all know Mayweather is a defensive wizard who does this to all of his opponents.

First, try to sound less like an arse licking sycophant when you praise your lord an master, do you have any pride?
Second, yes it can be debated. Floyd was ultra defensive, to the point where I would start considering marking against him. And if you want to talk about effective defence, Manny made floyd miss despite being the aggressor. Watch in that video how many times he pokes the jab out and barely touches Manny if at all, manny's upper body movement is not a far cry from Floyds, he has excellent reflexes and uses them well.
Floyd is a better defensive fighter and defended better in the fight, but let's not kid on that he is the only one avoiding being hit

Other than the 4th and the 6th there was no other point where Manny was able to clearly dominate and get the crowd to the point where we felt like he was even remotely close to winning.

If we are looking at rounds where one fighter "dominated, then I'd struggle to find a sig rou at I could class as dominant for Floyd in that fight
I had him winning more rounds but they were nicked as opposed to taken by a wide margin.

By the reaction of the crowd, his own Corner/Freddie Roach it was clearly evident that Manny needed a Hail Mary KO otherwise he was going to lose and lose big which he did.

He didn't lose big.
He lost and did so without taking a remotely hurtful punch in 12 rounds of boxing

You have just posted the most skewed and dishonest analysis of that fight it is possible to make.
Your reading of that fight is worse than that of the Pacquiao fans that thought he won it.

[uptconnect]

Just another case of how boxing is totally subjective to each individual and their biases.
"The fighters I've hated most over the years, have always gotten their asses whipped, even when they wound up retiring undefeated."

For some of you all, Floyd has barely won a round in his career, and his record was something like 2-47, you know, so you can pretend that you're being objective by granting him 2 gracious wins but even that much credit probably taste like sh*t in your mouth.

I don't typically put much into anything a crack-head says, but Roger summed it up perfectly with his most famous quote.
"Most people don't know sh*t about boxing"

This board's collective knowledge is dwindling and seems to be swirling the toilet bowl these days..

[Chepppaaa]

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