Charles Martin v Anthony Joshua

[Tanzio]

So we found out that Martin isn't on AJ's level. Who is on Joshua's level?

This fight accomplished the mission; AJ now has a (meaningless) belt, though certainly not worthless, to build on. Martin certainly did cash in, and I congratulate him for it. He will have other opportunities now, including the possibility of a Glazkov rematch which I think is winnable for him.

Joshua needs some rounds, IMO. I was wrong to think that Martin could give them to him.

Yes you was, anybody with a tiny bit of boxing knowledge would have realised that Martin was shite and was cashing in, it was so obvious it's difficult to understand why anybody would think any different?

No wonder people so seldom admit when they are wrong around here, when they have geniuses like you who can't wait to insult them. It is true that I am far from the most knowledgeable poster here, which I periodically admit, but I am also one of the least likely to insult others when they admit their errors, or to jump up and down while pounding my chest and screaming "LOOK AT ME!!!" when I am correct.

Martin lost. Joshua won. Those who chose Joshua by stoppage in two got it right. Everybody else got it wrong. So what?

[Bard of Boxrec]

So we found out that Martin isn't on AJ's level. Who is on Joshua's level?

This fight accomplished the mission; AJ now has a (meaningless) belt, though certainly not worthless, to build on. Martin certainly did cash in, and I congratulate him for it. He will have other opportunities now, including the possibility of a Glazkov rematch which I think is winnable for him.

Joshua needs some rounds, IMO. I was wrong to think that Martin could give them to him.

Yes you was, anybody with a tiny bit of boxing knowledge would have realised that Martin was shite and was cashing in, it was so obvious it's difficult to understand why anybody would think any different?

No wonder people so seldom admit when they are wrong around here, when they have geniuses like you who can't wait to insult them. It is true that I am far from the most knowledgeable poster here, which I periodically admit, but I am also one of the least likely to insult others when they admit their errors, or to jump up and down while pounding my chest and screaming "LOOK AT ME!!!" when I am correct.

Martin lost. Joshua won. Those who chose Joshua by stoppage in two got it right. Everybody else got it wrong. So what?

Don't worry, there will be a clear chance to point out Rexob was wrong when Joshua crushes Fury.

[Tanzio]

Yes you was, anybody with a tiny bit of boxing knowledge would have realised that Martin was shite and was cashing in, it was so obvious it's difficult to understand why anybody would think any different?

No wonder people so seldom admit when they are wrong around here, when they have geniuses like you who can't wait to insult them. It is true that I am far from the most knowledgeable poster here, which I periodically admit, but I am also one of the least likely to insult others when they admit their errors, or to jump up and down while pounding my chest and screaming "LOOK AT ME!!!" when I am correct.

Martin lost. Joshua won. Those who chose Joshua by stoppage in two got it right. Everybody else got it wrong. So what?

Don't worry, there will be a clear chance to point out Rexob was wrong when Joshua crushes Fury.

I didn't choose Martin. I just thought that he would be competitive. And being insulted here is a source of amusement.

[dave_81]

Congrats to Joshua for beating this bum , i watched the clip in this tread , Martin just came to collect his money and made sure he
did not miss the first flight home

Pretty harsh though! I don't look at it like that! How you rate RON STANDER?

as a mediocre /decent fighter .

about Martin i sont think he ever had the intention to give AJ a fight , he just kept sitting on his ass till he was sure he was counted out.
if you watch the fight he was even thinking about it on the first knockdown imo. i dont call him a bum because his record or because
he lost to a better opponent , just the way he losses is a disgrace ,he dint even look realy hurt the second time

[Ilya Muromets]

There are rule books. For example rulebook of British Board says:

"Boxer shall be considered to be down until he has regained his feet within the boxing ring and is in a position and a condition to defend himself."

"He must regain his feet unassisted within ten seconds. The Referee shall not permit a Boxer to continue boxing, if in his opinion he is able to do so, until the expiration of 8 seconds following the knock down."

Beating a dead horse...but OK Martin regained his feet unassisted at, I think, 10, and was also in a position to defend himself with his hands up and nodding OK. I don't have a clue what that last sentence means. I think it's double talk.

The last sentence just means that even if the boxer gets up straight away and is fine, the ref has to make sure at least eight seconds have passed before allowing the fight to continue.

Oh - thanks, Tarkus. I see what they are getting at now, but I'm not sure it still makes any sense. Has anyone ever heard of this eight second rule before? I sure haven't.

[Tarkus]

Has anyone ever heard of this eight second rule before? I sure haven't.

WBC and IBF and probably others as well have that 8 second must clause. Ref must count to 8 even if a guy is already up and ready.

[Ilya Muromets]

Has anyone ever heard of this eight second rule before? I sure haven't.

WBC and IBF and probably others as well have that 8 second must clause. Ref must count to 8 even if a guy is already up and ready.

But sometimes the ref waives on the fight to continue immediately after the man gets up, no? Does that vary by alphabet organization? Does the ref always wait an additional 8 seconds in the WBC and IBF?

[Tarkus]

So for those who are still wondering. Watch after fight press conference where Joshua explains that ref told them beforehand that after he counts 8 they should get up an start moving towards him to show they are ready. min 19:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4PZ9gkRg8

[Baby Face Finster]

Beating a dead horse...but OK Martin regained his feet unassisted at, I think, 10, and was also in a position to defend himself with his hands up and nodding OK. I don't have a clue what that last sentence means. I think it's double talk.

The last sentence just means that even if the boxer gets up straight away and is fine, the ref has to make sure at least eight seconds have passed before allowing the fight to continue.

Oh - thanks, Tarkus. I see what they are getting at now, but I'm not sure it still makes any sense. Has anyone ever heard of this eight second rule before? I sure haven't.

It's called the Standing 8 Count and is mandatory under amateur rules, but is not allowed under the Association of Boxing Commisions unified rules and is not allowed in IBF, WBA, WBC or WBO championship fights.

[Ilya Muromets]

It's called the Standing 8 Count and is mandatory under amateur rules, but is not allowed under the Association of Boxing Commisions unified rules and is not allowed in IBF, WBA, WBC or WBO championship fights.

They r not talking about the standing 8 count. They r talking about an 8 count after a boxer gets knocked down and gets back up again. Actually I don't know what they r talking about.

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's called the Standing 8 Count and is mandatory under amateur rules, but is not allowed under the Association of Boxing Commisions unified rules and is not allowed in IBF, WBA, WBC or WBO championship fights.

They r not talking about the standing 8 count. They r talking about an 8 count after a boxer gets knocked down and gets back up again. Actually I don't know what they r talking about.

This rule is new to me. As far as i am aware a fighter is only required to be fully erect at 10 and thats it.

[Tony1244]

Martin protested and claimed it was a fast count.

Reminds me of Marvelous Marv Throneberry after he thought he hit a triple, there was an appeal play at 2nd and he was called "Out." He protested but the first base umpire said he missed 1st base as well.

BOTH times Martin was knocked down, he was down longer than 10 seconds.

[forcefraser]

He walks this earth like a God? Like to gutless wonder already counting the dollar.

[MarkMcBurney]

There is no official rule book of boxing rules That is accepted across jurisdictions. That is quite well known actually. Each commission has their own rules but there is not a rule book that is accepted like in every other sport.

And even these local jurisdiction rules are poorly and ambiguously written as you can see by the samples above.

Either way, it's not '8,9,10,OUT', as 10 is the end of the fight so the referee should count 8, 9 and signal fight over on the count of ten. So saying he was 'up at ten' is ridiculous as it's too late.

That's without the fact the first count was slow. Martin wanted no more of it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

There is no official rule book of boxing rules That is accepted across jurisdictions. That is quite well known actually. Each commission has their own rules but there is not a rule book that is accepted like in every other sport.

And even these local jurisdiction rules are poorly and ambiguously written as you can see by the samples above.

Either way, it's not '8,9,10,OUT', as 10 is the end of the fight so the referee should count 8, 9 and signal fight over on the count of ten. So saying he was 'up at ten' is ridiculous as it's too late.

That's without the fact the first count was slow. Martin wanted no more of it.

Well, if you're fully standing at the point at which the ref counts 10, then you aren't counted out, but if you're still hauling yourself off the canvas, that's another matter.

[stayinshape]

A lot of talking before...waiting some month for this fight...two good Hands, then sit on the canvas...still sit down, look to referee..and it's over

Unnecessary to discuss ob Martin beat count or not....cause next right Hands of Joshua will bring same result....sitting on canvas.
Obviously Martin was too easy food for Joshua... i'm disapointed bout this fight.

Joshua has a lot of power in his shots..Height & Reach biggest weapon..Dillan Whyte test Joshuas chin..
I hope we see in next fight a great fight.

[ImranSarwar]

A lot of talking before...waiting some month for this fight...two good Hands, then sit on the canvas...still sit down, look to referee..and it's over

Unnecessary to discuss ob Martin beat count or not....cause next right Hands of Joshua will bring same result....sitting on canvas.
Obviously Martin was too easy food for Joshua... i'm disapointed bout this fight.

Joshua has a lot of power in his shots..Height & Reach biggest weapon..Dillan Whyte test Joshuas chin..
I hope we see in next fight a great fight.

Their ISN'T no "complaint" w/this fight really. For the true fan we got MORE THAN OUR MONEY'S WORTH. Look at the Radio Reheem interview with CHARLES MARTIN following the LOSS.
Pretty much, what we got WAS what was EXPECTED. ["Sure", it could of gone further. THIS IS BOXING, MAN! What do you want? &, CMartin is YET a "good product". Probably David Price won't want to CHANCE IT there, nor your ALLEN chap who is making small waves...][now we look where Martin settle in with the contenders. "GREAT SHOW", all-together. Charles LOST but he never came "unglued"/he had his CONFIDENCE. To "complain" about it, really, shows a want for experience with the SPORT]
-Sorry-

[ImranSarwar]

So for those who are still wondering. Watch after fight press conference where Joshua explains that ref told them beforehand that after he counts 8 they should get up an start moving towards him to show they are ready. min 19:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4PZ9gkRg8

Fast count in this fight Ref. the comments trying to put a INSTITUTIONAL HANDLE ON PROTOCOL for that! Really THINK it is a "minute" movement that you totally CAN NOT pre determine OR put a rule towards with what we SEEN when this match ended. Charles shouldn't have cut-it so "close" to the edge. AND, if he really did not have cognitive sense a.t.p. then, PROBABLY FOR THE BETTER it ended when it did. MAYBE another punch, two or three even could of had the ending extended 25 more seconds but..the championship rein ended even WORSE UGLY. SO.......

[gp.]

It's called the Standing 8 Count and is mandatory under amateur rules, but is not allowed under the Association of Boxing Commisions unified rules and is not allowed in IBF, WBA, WBC or WBO championship fights.

They r not talking about the standing 8 count. They r talking about an 8 count after a boxer gets knocked down and gets back up again. Actually I don't know what they r talking about.

This is just to ensure the referee properly checks the boxer after he gets up, and doesn't just wave it on again before making sure he's ok to continue.

[GreenLightning]

Marrtin took an age to get up on the first knockdown and on the second knockdown it seemed to go in slow motion as he appeared to take ten seconds just to get off his ass and onto his knee, the referee then counts a 9 and a very generous pause before ten to give him a chance and Martin STILL takes an era to get back up to his feet. fight was fornicating over guys and you're having a laugh if you think the ref screwed him when he clearly gave him an extra long break between 9 and 10 to get up and Martin was still either too dazed or too scared to take it

[Taansend]

Any sign of Starboxer?

Did we find out who his real username is?

[ImranSarwar]

What's next for CHARLES MARTIN now? He is above DAVID PRICE, HEY! He should come right back. FIVE MILLION FOR THIS FIGHT HEY! WOW! I think I am gonna look him up on Fb and "authenticate him"/TRY & bring him here!

STAND BY! : ) ["will try!"]

[SFW]

Marrtin took an age to get up on the first knockdown and on the second knockdown it seemed to go in slow motion as he appeared to take ten seconds just to get off his ass and onto his knee, the referee then counts a 9 and a very generous pause before ten to give him a chance and Martin STILL takes an era to get back up to his feet. fight was effing over guys and you're having a laugh if you think the ref screwed him when he clearly gave him an extra long break between 9 and 10 to get up and Martin was still either too dazed or too scared to take it

Whichever opinion we have on the stoppage, I think that was the best possible outcome. Because Martin was outclassed and going to get hurt if that continued... and I was vocal about Martin's chances, but he really shit the bed.

[ImranSarwar]

Marrtin took an age to get up on the first knockdown and on the second knockdown it seemed to go in slow motion as he appeared to take ten seconds just to get off his ass and onto his knee, the referee then counts a 9 and a very generous pause before ten to give him a chance and Martin STILL takes an era to get back up to his feet. fight was effing over guys and you're having a laugh if you think the ref screwed him when he clearly gave him an extra long break between 9 and 10 to get up and Martin was still either too dazed or too scared to take it

Whichever opinion we have on the stoppage, I think that was the best possible outcome. Because Martin was outclassed and going to get hurt if that continued... and I was vocal about Martin's chances, but he really poo the bed.

Well... Yeah. LOT OF CONTRAST IN THE SPORT [is it me, or..did "BIG CAT" Mr. C.W. --known for-- "glass jaw"?] (2) LaMotta HIS "known contrast". &..(3) Martin it's the psychological! (I could of NEVER been AS brave as he was going in...but I wouldn't of done as BADLY! : ) "Not any way possible......" even if the fight were against Carlos Palomino ("ha ha ha! Ha!")]
The guy YET is an ISLAND REAL ESTATE! I mean, I am (bit) from MAINE STATE! "Dream come true" forever up here (there) owning your own coast line ISLAND!

[Tony1244]

Charles Martin's most important "fight" is to find someone smart and honest to handle his money $$$$$.

Most athletes, like most lottery winners blow their money.