FURY-KLITSCHKO JULY 9 ENGLAND

[ImranSarwar]

In comparison, how many have tried and lost?

Almost everyone-)))

Corbett
Jeffries
Dempsey
Baer
Louis
Liston
And after champion's number were duplicated by 4 - who can remember-)))))

yup! Add Corbett with his 18 whole career matches. His very last match he tried Jeffries again.
Baer never tried for championship again in the category of the question asked NOR vs anyone else either. I'm sure you are thinking of his match against Joe Louis. But that came even well before the first Max Schmelling confrontation.
Louis, yes..but not for category. Jeffries yes, but again not for category. Liston & Dempsey we already have up.

[ImranSarwar]

Never mind the "categories" (OR of keeping > categories Straight<!ha Ha!)....try to track the championship soon after Muhammad Ali left the scene! Tate to Weaver & Ken Norton to Larry Holmes. Soon...you WILL enter a maze! : ) But...we looking at champs.
Does anyone know if the BOGUS Ibo Tyson gonna "carry"? I hope NOT! WBC WBA IBF WBO is enough!
I give Wladimir "good shot" at winning this. But, going in it's like a 50-50...if Wlad isn't favored.

[gilgamesh]

The IBO is basically the 5th most significant title, but I'm sure a lot of Boxing fans (including myself) don't know or care who has that belt most of the time.

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

Like Heavyweight for example Tyson Fury is the Champion, and that's all. Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua are contenders with titles that aren't legitimate.

Not that I think they couldn't beat Fury, but they still got it to do before I'll call 'em Champ.

[the_doctor]

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

That's the reason I was a bit annoyed that Wlad didn't have a chance to fight for the vacant WBC Title when his brother retired. Yes, he can be boring and yes, he has since been beaten but at the time he was the clear #1 and should have been given a chance to unify in my opinion.

[gilgamesh]

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

That's the reason I was a bit annoyed that Wlad didn't have a chance to fight for the vacant WBC Title when his brother retired. Yes, he can be boring and yes, he has since been beaten but at the time he was the clear #1 and should have been given a chance to unify in my opinion.

The Title orgs seem to prefer all 4 belts being on different fighters. I don't really get it, but they definitely love to fragment the titles as much as possible. We've seen several fighters stripped for no good reason.

[koolkc107]

The rematch is apparently finally set. It will talk place in Manchester. This fight will shape the HW division going forward and this test seems a little too deep in the water for Wlad. I do not see how he changes things around from the first fight. After this fight the champs will be Joshua --Wlad or Fury--Wilder/Potvetkin. Maybe after that we can finally get a unification bout on our hands. That is what the sport needs.

I see it completely the other way.

There was plenty Wlad could have done and didn't while Tyson had the fightplan of a lifetime.
I mean to say that will go down in my book as one of the most well thought out and well executed
things I have ever seen happen in a boxing ring.

It was genius.

Trouble is, Wlad knows what time it is now.

And he will either change things up or prove too old to do so.

My guess is he is still in good enough shape to make the adjustments.

And there has been NO HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP more cerebral than Wlad.

You can take it to the bank that the fact he was out smarted might be more
of an insult to him than what happened in the ring.

Tyson is in for some HELL.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The rematch is apparently finally set. It will talk place in Manchester. This fight will shape the HW division going forward and this test seems a little too deep in the water for Wlad. I do not see how he changes things around from the first fight. After this fight the champs will be Joshua --Wlad or Fury--Wilder/Potvetkin. Maybe after that we can finally get a unification bout on our hands. That is what the sport needs.

I see it completely the other way.

There was plenty Wlad could have done and didn't while Tyson had the fightplan of a lifetime.
I mean to say that will go down in my book as one of the most well thought out and well executed
things I have ever seen happen in a boxing ring.

It was genius.

Trouble is, Wlad knows what time it is now.

And he will either change things up or prove too old to do so.

My guess is he is still in good enough shape to make the adjustments.

And there has been NO HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP more cerebral than Wlad.

You can take it to the bank that the fact he was out smarted might be more
of an insult to him than what happened in the ring.

Tyson is in for some HELL.

It's not the physical aspect but the mental that means Wlad will likely lose again. Wlad is an on top fighter, he is ultra cautious, chipping away at his opponents until he can be certain he can close the show without fear of getting hurt.

He'll be hesitant again this time, especially knowing what Fury did last time.

I think he will give it a go, leave openings, before going back to being hesitant, but this time Fury comes looking for him and busts him up. I smell a stoppage.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

That's the reason I was a bit annoyed that Wlad didn't have a chance to fight for the vacant WBC Title when his brother retired. Yes, he can be boring and yes, he has since been beaten but at the time he was the clear #1 and should have been given a chance to unify in my opinion.

The Title orgs seem to prefer all 4 belts being on different fighters. I don't really get it, but they definitely love to fragment the titles as much as possible. We've seen several fighters stripped for no good reason.

4 champs fight more often. Also unified belt holders pay less sanctioning fees as I recall to each organisation.

[gilgamesh]

That's the reason I was a bit annoyed that Wlad didn't have a chance to fight for the vacant WBC Title when his brother retired. Yes, he can be boring and yes, he has since been beaten but at the time he was the clear #1 and should have been given a chance to unify in my opinion.

The Title orgs seem to prefer all 4 belts being on different fighters. I don't really get it, but they definitely love to fragment the titles as much as possible. We've seen several fighters stripped for no good reason.

4 champs fight more often. Also unified belt holders pay less sanctioning fees as I recall to each organisation.

Well that explains that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The Title orgs seem to prefer all 4 belts being on different fighters. I don't really get it, but they definitely love to fragment the titles as much as possible. We've seen several fighters stripped for no good reason.

4 champs fight more often. Also unified belt holders pay less sanctioning fees as I recall to each organisation.

Well that explains that.

I know that used to be the case anyway, unified belts I think the sanctioning bodies get 2% of the purse, thought don't go quoting me on that.

[koolkc107]

The rematch is apparently finally set. It will talk place in Manchester. This fight will shape the HW division going forward and this test seems a little too deep in the water for Wlad. I do not see how he changes things around from the first fight. After this fight the champs will be Joshua --Wlad or Fury--Wilder/Potvetkin. Maybe after that we can finally get a unification bout on our hands. That is what the sport needs.

I see it completely the other way.

There was plenty Wlad could have done and didn't while Tyson had the fightplan of a lifetime.
I mean to say that will go down in my book as one of the most well thought out and well executed
things I have ever seen happen in a boxing ring.

It was genius.

Trouble is, Wlad knows what time it is now.

And he will either change things up or prove too old to do so.

My guess is he is still in good enough shape to make the adjustments.

And there has been NO HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP more cerebral than Wlad.

You can take it to the bank that the fact he was out smarted might be more
of an insult to him than what happened in the ring.

Tyson is in for some HELL.

It's not the physical aspect but the mental that means Wlad will likely lose again. Wlad is an on top fighter, he is ultra cautious, chipping away at his opponents until he can be certain he can close the show without fear of getting hurt.

He'll be hesitant again this time, especially knowing what Fury did last time.

I think he will give it a go, leave openings, before going back to being hesitant, but this time Fury comes looking for him and busts him up. I smell a stoppage.

Disagree, James, even if your take has legit reasoning.

Wlad is cautious.

But, I think he can still be cautious and do some things to offset Fury's strategy from the first fight.

He will cut off the ring better, bend his knees more, go to Tyson's body more
even safely by jabbing to it. He will slow Tyson down.

And once he has got him flatfooted, he will crush him.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I see it completely the other way.

There was plenty Wlad could have done and didn't while Tyson had the fightplan of a lifetime.
I mean to say that will go down in my book as one of the most well thought out and well executed
things I have ever seen happen in a boxing ring.

It was genius.

Trouble is, Wlad knows what time it is now.

And he will either change things up or prove too old to do so.

My guess is he is still in good enough shape to make the adjustments.

And there has been NO HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP more cerebral than Wlad.

You can take it to the bank that the fact he was out smarted might be more
of an insult to him than what happened in the ring.

Tyson is in for some HELL.

It's not the physical aspect but the mental that means Wlad will likely lose again. Wlad is an on top fighter, he is ultra cautious, chipping away at his opponents until he can be certain he can close the show without fear of getting hurt.

He'll be hesitant again this time, especially knowing what Fury did last time.

I think he will give it a go, leave openings, before going back to being hesitant, but this time Fury comes looking for him and busts him up. I smell a stoppage.

Disagree, James, even if your take has legit reasoning.

Wlad is cautious.

But, I think he can still be cautious and do some things to offset Fury's strategy from the first fight.

He will cut off the ring better, bend his knees more, go to Tyson's body more
even safely by jabbing to it. He will slow Tyson down.

And once he has got him flatfooted, he will crush him.

Well of course, but this would be a new strategy for him, his strategy for the last 10 years has been to use the jab extensively to control range, stop his opponent getting close, and bust them up slowly. Unfortunately, in this instance it's hard for him to control distance, without having to come forward, cut the ring off, and be the aggressor, which really isn't something he is comfortable with. If he's cutting off the ring, he has to actually do something when he does so, otherwise he's going to be getting hit from range.

I'm going to lump some money on a Fury stoppage win this time around, and perhaps a little more on a late rounds stoppage, as that's where it's likely to happen.

[ImranSarwar]

The IBO is basically the 5th most significant title, but I'm sure a lot of Boxing fans (including myself) don't know or care who has that belt most of the time.

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

Like Heavyweight for example Tyson Fury is the Champion, and that's all. Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua are contenders with titles that aren't legitimate.

Not that I think they couldn't beat Fury, but they still got it to do before I'll call 'em Champ.

Yeah. You have followed this Sport since WHAT YEAR? Believe me, "IBO" right now IS Boxing's No.1 Problem.

[koolkc107]

It's not the physical aspect but the mental that means Wlad will likely lose again. Wlad is an on top fighter, he is ultra cautious, chipping away at his opponents until he can be certain he can close the show without fear of getting hurt.

He'll be hesitant again this time, especially knowing what Fury did last time.

I think he will give it a go, leave openings, before going back to being hesitant, but this time Fury comes looking for him and busts him up. I smell a stoppage.

Disagree, James, even if your take has legit reasoning.

Wlad is cautious.

But, I think he can still be cautious and do some things to offset Fury's strategy from the first fight.

He will cut off the ring better, bend his knees more, go to Tyson's body more
even safely by jabbing to it. He will slow Tyson down.

And once he has got him flatfooted, he will crush him.

Well of course, but this would be a new strategy for him, his strategy for the last 10 years has been to use the jab extensively to control range, stop his opponent getting close, and bust them up slowly. Unfortunately, in this instance it's hard for him to control distance, without having to come forward, cut the ring off, and be the aggressor, which really isn't something he is comfortable with. If he's cutting off the ring, he has to actually do something when he does so, otherwise he's going to be getting hit from range.

I'm going to lump some money on a Fury stoppage win this time around, and perhaps a little more on a late rounds stoppage, as that's where it's likely to happen.

Don't do it.

You will lose that money.

Yes, I knock Wlad for not being comparable to other greats, but that doesn't mean he ISN'T great.

Wlad is a good enough fighter to make this adjustment, and he will.

It is the only thing he can do given the problems he had with Tyson's height and range.

He will seek to get in a little more, trust that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well. We shall see..

[ImranSarwar]

I have been a boxing fan 50 years. Boxed, coached, administration, & student/fan. Anyone with any time in this Sport knows that the championship SPLIT been happening long while now. Back in Carlos Palomino's day their wasn't but the WBC & WBA. Then, IBF came in. They gained recognition fairly quickly. Larry Holmes going with Bob Lee (IBF) helped. Then came the WBO. Remember what happen with them? They WERE NOT ACCEPTED. Once they did gain acceptence (after like "20 years") they gained a divided acceptence. This was clear and very distinct. Their HVY-wt champ lagged behind every weight class otherwise. Today, I ACCEPT THE WBO.
The IBO came along when already we have OVERCROWDED FIELD. My bud, Israel (Pito) Cardona won IBO lightweight after failing at IBF lightweight (Vac vs Spordopha how is his name spelled??).
The IBO was a JOKE at the time. "Now", instead of JOKE IBO "catching up" to Boxing what we have is "time warp" and "Boxing"/ "Joke" and "IBO" got intertwined. Now, instead of IBO the "joke (excuse me...-joker- more accurate)" the IBO is "accepted and all' swell" (I wrote "all' well" but....spell checkers got me! Ugh!) Boxing/ Joke. IBO part of The command!
I don't accept them. One of my ADMIN streams I have 15 years IBO employee "Lennox" on. READ HIM the "nonsense" reasoning he brings.
I started the UWBCAFO-I in March/2007. Purpose to "echelon" the Sport '1e' & '2e' w/ Value of '2e' being approx 5 USA STATES.
The '2e' is good for the Sport. But, "greed" is the show thus far and we need to accept it: WBC WBA IBF WBO = "the powers that be" ("the establishment"). It's possible to unite some titles certainly. You must pay the fighters what it is worth though! May- 3Xg can't happen because Floyd will RIGHTFULLY demand $150 million or better!
I did go AT the IBO &...they skedattle away from ME quick as they could.
Hurts the Sport when a First &major 4 hold also a potential '2e'.
Lennox by the way has started a new group titled the PBO. &...I thought they would be good for a '2e', but....Lennox has them "neutral" only. He sites who the "real champs" be and does a rating that's it.

[Wales]

I have been a boxing fan 50 years. Boxed, coached, administration, & student/fan. .

50 years? So you must be 60+ ?? 60 years and you cant manage a coherent written sentance .

[Wales]

The IBO is basically the 5th most significant title, but I'm sure a lot of Boxing fans (including myself) don't know or care who has that belt most of the time.

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

Like Heavyweight for example Tyson Fury is the Champion, and that's all. Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua are contenders with titles that aren't legitimate.

Not that I think they couldn't beat Fury, but they still got it to do before I'll call 'em Champ.

Yeah. You have followed this Sport since WHAT YEAR? Believe me, "IBO" right now IS Boxing's No.1 Problem.

Really? Not too many champions and belts? Crap ppv cards? Corrupt judging? Promotional politics meaning big fights dont happen? Doping? Rise of the UFC?

No, its the unrecognised, barely heard of, rarely mentioned IBO. Bin them off and everything will be cushty

[gilgamesh]

The IBO is basically the 5th most significant title, but I'm sure a lot of Boxing fans (including myself) don't know or care who has that belt most of the time.

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

Like Heavyweight for example Tyson Fury is the Champion, and that's all. Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua are contenders with titles that aren't legitimate.

Not that I think they couldn't beat Fury, but they still got it to do before I'll call 'em Champ.

Yeah. You have followed this Sport since WHAT YEAR? Believe me, "IBO" right now IS Boxing's No.1 Problem.

I've followed it since late 2001 with an intense passion. The IBO is no more of a problem than every other meaningless title, which is all of 'em except 1.

[gilgamesh]

The IBO is basically the 5th most significant title, but I'm sure a lot of Boxing fans (including myself) don't know or care who has that belt most of the time.

I usually don't acknowledge hardly any of the titles, Especially in divisions where there is a guy who is clearly THE Champion.

In those cases, everybody else is just a contender to me more often than not.

Like Heavyweight for example Tyson Fury is the Champion, and that's all. Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua are contenders with titles that aren't legitimate.

Not that I think they couldn't beat Fury, but they still got it to do before I'll call 'em Champ.

Yeah. You have followed this Sport since WHAT YEAR? Believe me, "IBO" right now IS Boxing's No.1 Problem.

Really? Not too many champions and belts? Crap ppv cards? Corrupt judging? Promotional politics meaning big fights dont happen? Doping? Rise of the UFC?

No, its the unrecognised, barely heard of, rarely mentioned IBO. Bin them off and everything will be cushty

[Wales]

Somewhere theres a village thats short of an idiot.

[ImranSarwar]

^ ^^ basically, YES. Boxing's main problem currently is that the SPORT is dissed internationally. Because they view boxing as disorganized. I'm talking about a comprehensive world wide scope by the media. Boxing doesn't get attention.
I've set up a "work" to echelon the Sport. UWBCAFO-I. I draw the line after the FIRST &major four. The '2e' powers have a VALUE of approx. FIVE USA STATES. Have a few/ "little rules".

[Oiky]

i'll be watching, think it will be a better fight this time

but fury will still outbox wlad to an easy victory

i wouldln't get tickets for this fight meself but i'd definitely get tickets to watch fury box joshuas head off at wembley stadium

[ikorolev]

I have a feeling that we will not see the same fluid confident Fury in the rematch. He says he needs to lose 45 (!!!) pounds. His talk about Wlad losing to him deliberately is also concerning.

[BitPlayer]

I have a feeling that we will not see the same fluid confident Fury in the rematch. He says he needs to lose 45 (!!!) pounds. His talk about Wlad losing to him deliberately is also concerning.

If he honestly believed that surely that'd make him less likely to be complacent. But from what I heard wasn't he taking the pee-pee?