What are the rules regarding a standing 8 count during a BBBOC sanctioned fight in the UK?
I know the 4 main world bodies dont have them (WBA IBF WBO WBC) but are refs allowed to administer them in a british ring?
personally i think there are enough contemtious stoppages with trigger happy refs without 10-8 rounds being given due to standing 8s..... But can they give them?
Standing 8 count?
Re: Standing 8 count?
I don't know the exact rules but, I'll give you my tuppence worth on them
I think they have the potential, like any ruling to be used poorly by refs.
But I like the standing 8 count, I've no doubt many will disagree, but there are times when a fighter is getting hit, in a bit of bother and should go down but is perhaps to brave or is being held up by the ropes or corner. They might not be stopped or beaten but the ref might want to give him a breather.
Of course, in this position, without the standing 8 count at his disposal a ref has 2 choices. Let him continue to get hit, which is a bold call for a ref to make or stop the fight.
Froch vs Groves 1 would have been the ideal time for a standing 8 count if the ref thought it necessary.
Of course the counter argument is that if the fighter is so hurt that the ref needs to intervene or give the fighter a break then the fight should be stopped or the fighter is not fit to continue and I can see the logic in that approach. But then the same could be argued about a mandatory 8 count for a knock down. If you don't think there is a situation where you need one for a standing fighter, why does everyone who so much as touches the canvas with a glove need an 8 count?
Refs have a hard enough job but I would leave either situation, standing or knock down, to the ref's discretion. Let him make a decision regards the fighters state and whether an 8 count would be worthwhile.
I think they have the potential, like any ruling to be used poorly by refs.
But I like the standing 8 count, I've no doubt many will disagree, but there are times when a fighter is getting hit, in a bit of bother and should go down but is perhaps to brave or is being held up by the ropes or corner. They might not be stopped or beaten but the ref might want to give him a breather.
Of course, in this position, without the standing 8 count at his disposal a ref has 2 choices. Let him continue to get hit, which is a bold call for a ref to make or stop the fight.
Froch vs Groves 1 would have been the ideal time for a standing 8 count if the ref thought it necessary.
Of course the counter argument is that if the fighter is so hurt that the ref needs to intervene or give the fighter a break then the fight should be stopped or the fighter is not fit to continue and I can see the logic in that approach. But then the same could be argued about a mandatory 8 count for a knock down. If you don't think there is a situation where you need one for a standing fighter, why does everyone who so much as touches the canvas with a glove need an 8 count?
Refs have a hard enough job but I would leave either situation, standing or knock down, to the ref's discretion. Let him make a decision regards the fighters state and whether an 8 count would be worthwhile.
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Greg Houston
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Re: Standing 8 count?
They don't feature in British rules as far as I can remember.
The mandatory eight from a knockdown is more about making sure that the boxer is fully upright and stable. If he were to get up at five, but wasn't fully recovered and went back down on a knee at seven, the ref would continue counting. Were the ref to order them to box immediately from the five, the boxer could get seriously hurt as he hadn't fully recovered.
In the amateurs the standing eight is really about giving the boxer a break if he's taken a heavy punch (remembering that being amateur and have a job or school to go to on Monday, they should be protected more) and gives the ref a good chance to assess whether they are fit to go on.
The mandatory eight from a knockdown is more about making sure that the boxer is fully upright and stable. If he were to get up at five, but wasn't fully recovered and went back down on a knee at seven, the ref would continue counting. Were the ref to order them to box immediately from the five, the boxer could get seriously hurt as he hadn't fully recovered.
In the amateurs the standing eight is really about giving the boxer a break if he's taken a heavy punch (remembering that being amateur and have a job or school to go to on Monday, they should be protected more) and gives the ref a good chance to assess whether they are fit to go on.
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MarkMcBurney
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Re: Standing 8 count?
Is there still a provision for a standing eight in British professional bouts if the ropes are the only thing keeping a fighter on his feet?
Re: Standing 8 count?
Yep if the ropes stop a fighter from going down its still treated as a knockdownMarkMcBurney wrote:Is there still a provision for a standing eight in British professional bouts if the ropes are the only thing keeping a fighter on his feet?
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MarkMcBurney
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Re: Standing 8 count?
jonp wrote:Yep if the ropes stop a fighter from going down its still treated as a knockdownMarkMcBurney wrote:Is there still a provision for a standing eight in British professional bouts if the ropes are the only thing keeping a fighter on his feet?
Ta. It amazes me more referee's don't use this. You see it quite a lot in fights when one fighter is under the kosh and virtually sitting on the ropes.-
Greg Houston
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Re: Standing 8 count?
I think it comes down to judging that the boxer's full weight is on the ropes and that is all that's holding him up.
Re: Standing 8 count?
The rule is on the Board website at http://www.bbbofc.com/content/rules-boxing-0, and Rule 3.32.1(c) explains all - a boxer is down if he "is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself". There is no standing 8 count in the rules, i.e. a boxer cannot get a count unless he is down. When a boxer does go down, eight is the minimum count a boxer gets, so if he rises at, say, 3, the referee will still count to 8 - see Rule 3.33.
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You very rarely see these used in the pros. I took and have seen a good few joke ones in the ams. Don't know if it's still the same?