Josh Warrington vs Hisashi Amagasa RBR

[Crazyboy]

Had a top night, the atmosphere was great but as someone said earlier not so much at ringside, in fact there were spare seats so I was able to get three rows back right in the centre for the Hall and Warrington fights. The stands were bouncing though and Warrington has a great army of fans. However, my missus said she doubts any of them actually like boxing they just turn up for the craic which I had to agree with.

From where I was sat both Warrington and Hall won their fights but as most have said the scores were dubious to say the least which is a shame because both their opposition deserved more than that.

Weirdly at about 2 in the morning me and the missus were on our way back to our hotel and went for a McDonald's and we bumped into Guerrero who was an absolute gent (Well I think he was, he was speaking through a translator) i'll try and get the photo up

Also, on a side note I was speaking with Bradley Saunders in the hotel bar later on, his hands are fucked and I doubt we will see him fight again, 5 operations on them and they look horrendous.

[mickey1975]

Saunders sparred Adil Anwar on Saturday morning.

[Crazyboy]

Saunders sparred Adil Anwar on Saturday morning.

That surprises me after what he was saying to me however you clearly know more than me so fair do's. This was Saturday night though and he could hardly close his left hand, maybe after the sparring he just thought I've had enough? I don't know mate I'm only saying what he told me.

He was in very good spirits though for sure laughing and joking with his mate taking photo's with people etc.

[davie]

With your absurd scorecard you have shown yourself to be a traitor to this great nation.

The punishment for this treachery is, perhaps, death.

I love it when Horse posts when he's drunk

No

[Horse]

I love it when Horse posts when he's drunk

How did you know?

[mickey1975]

Saunders sparred Adil Anwar on Saturday morning.

That surprises me after what he was saying to me however you clearly know more than me so fair do's. This was Saturday night though and he could hardly close his left hand, maybe after the sparring he just thought I've had enough? I don't know mate I'm only saying what he told me.

He was in very good spirits though for sure laughing and joking with his mate taking photo's with people etc.

"Top 6x3mins sparing with adil Anwar in Leeds this morning... Really happy to be back punching now and have a good feeling with my hands so far.. Every set back is for a come back just God wants you to be better"
I only saw it on fb.

[Crazyboy]

Saunders sparred Adil Anwar on Saturday morning.

That surprises me after what he was saying to me however you clearly know more than me so fair do's. This was Saturday night though and he could hardly close his left hand, maybe after the sparring he just thought I've had enough? I don't know mate I'm only saying what he told me.

He was in very good spirits though for sure laughing and joking with his mate taking photo's with people etc.

"Top 6x3mins sparing with adil Anwar in Leeds this morning... Really happy to be back punching now and have a good feeling with my hands so far.. Every set back is for a come back just God wants you to be better"
I only saw it on fb.

So weird but fair enough, genuinely just saying what he said to me...and honestly, his left hand looks like it shouldn't be used again.

maybe he had had a few beers but I can only say what he said to me. I wish him all the best, he was genuinely lovely to me and the missus.

[nick885]

Eff all?

That's a bit strong. Hall was more effective, but I saw Guerrero land a decent number of shots and thought he won 5 rounds. Sometimes faces don't tell the whole story, especially when one fighter is focused on the body.

And the other is prone to sticking the head in.

Hard to stick the head in when your opponent is smaller, Guerrero was complaining about the top of his forehead which didn't have a mark on it when I saw him at the hotel, the cuts could not have come from Stuarts head making contact as Guerrero had his head down each time he complained.

Just a question, when did they change the way points are scored, I am probably wrong I have always been told that hitting the arms or the back half of the body does not score please advise.

[expe]

Eff all?

That's a bit strong. Hall was more effective, but I saw Guerrero land a decent number of shots and thought he won 5 rounds. Sometimes faces don't tell the whole story, especially when one fighter is focused on the body.

And the other is prone to sticking the head in.

Hard to stick the head in when your opponent is smaller, Guerrero was complaining about the top of his forehead which didn't have a mark on it when I saw him at the hotel, the cuts could not have come from Stuarts head making contact as Guerrero had his head down each time he complained.

Just a question, when did they change the way points are scored, I am probably wrong I have always been told that hitting the arms or the back half of the body does not score please advise.

Funny how the replays and the referee saw otherwise.

Points aren't scored for each punch landed and they certainly aren't awarded for not throwing punches at all.

[nick885]

Finished up with 117-112 Guerrero, maybe a bit wide but I favoured him in most of the close rounds, outworked Hall in most of them.

His workrate was good but he landed eff all. Hall's shots were much more effective. Look at Hall's boat afterwards. Not a mark on it. 117-112 Guerrero my arse.

Better to throw shots that are partially blocked than to not throw at all. Like I said, it probably is a bit wide and doesn't really reflect the pattern of the fight overall but that can happen scoring round by round and I struggle with the idea of giving Stuart Hall rounds based on clean punches when he doesn't carry any real power and wasn't landing that many clean.

Question, how do you rate power, the punches landed by hall snapped Guerrero's head back and ring side where I was sat you could see the sweat spray of his head every time a punch landed. As for power vusi malinga stated that stuart punches harder than leo santa cruz, Guerrero has a head like a piece of rock but you could see the punches where hurting him.
All said and done our opinion doesn't matter fights over and all three judges had it the same one of which doesn't like stuart and that's all that matters.

[nick885]

expe
please answer my question about scoring do punches that land on arms elbows and the back of body score

[nick885]

expe

the ref also warned Guerrero for his head.

[expe]

His workrate was good but he landed eff all. Hall's shots were much more effective. Look at Hall's boat afterwards. Not a mark on it. 117-112 Guerrero my arse.

Better to throw shots that are partially blocked than to not throw at all. Like I said, it probably is a bit wide and doesn't really reflect the pattern of the fight overall but that can happen scoring round by round and I struggle with the idea of giving Stuart Hall rounds based on clean punches when he doesn't carry any real power and wasn't landing that many clean.

Question, how do you rate power, the punches landed by hall snapped Guerrero's head back and ring side where I was sat you could see the sweat spray of his head every time a punch landed. As for power vusi malinga stated that stuart punches harder than leo santa cruz, Guerrero has a head like a piece of rock but you could see the punches where hurting him.
All said and done our opinion doesn't matter fights over and all three judges had it the same one of which doesn't like stuart and that's all that matters.

Snapping the opponents head back isn't really much indication of power and sweat spraying isn't any indication at all, Warrington managed to do it to Amagasa and he can't punch. I rate power based on whether a fighter can hurt an opponent with it, Hall hasn't stopped anyone for 5 years and has managed one knockdown in that time, not exactly a sign of a puncher.

All other evidence, not that there's actually any proof of Malinga saying that and given your track record I'd say that it's a load of shite, says that Santa Cruz hits a lot harder.

Steve Gray doesn't like Stuart Hall Because he scored the Caballero fight 118-110 he must not like him, what a load of bollocks. If we go by that incredibly flawed logic, then all three judges don't like Guerrero considering the way they scored the fight.

[nick885]

Better to throw shots that are partially blocked than to not throw at all. Like I said, it probably is a bit wide and doesn't really reflect the pattern of the fight overall but that can happen scoring round by round and I struggle with the idea of giving Stuart Hall rounds based on clean punches when he doesn't carry any real power and wasn't landing that many clean.

Question, how do you rate power, the punches landed by hall snapped Guerrero's head back and ring side where I was sat you could see the sweat spray of his head every time a punch landed. As for power vusi malinga stated that stuart punches harder than leo santa cruz, Guerrero has a head like a piece of rock but you could see the punches where hurting him.
All said and done our opinion doesn't matter fights over and all three judges had it the same one of which doesn't like stuart and that's all that matters.

Snapping the opponents head back isn't really much indication of power and sweat spraying isn't any indication at all, Warrington managed to do it to Amagasa and he can't punch. I rate power based on whether a fighter can hurt an opponent with it, Hall hasn't stopped anyone for 5 years and has managed one knockdown in that time, not exactly a sign of a puncher.

All other evidence, not that there's actually any proof of Malinga saying that and given your track record I'd say that it's a load of shite, says that Santa Cruz hits a lot harder.

Steve Gray doesn't like Stuart Hall Because he scored the Caballero fight 118-110 he must not like him, what a load of bollocks. If we go by that incredibly flawed logic, then all three judges don't like Guerrero considering the way they scored the fight.

Well you will just have to ask malinga himself he has a Facebook page and as for Steve Gray ok thats an opinion on his judgement in the past, as for power you ask the fighters he has fought if he hurts you don't always knock an opponent out or down when you hurt them. Just a quick question, how many fights have you had and what size gloves where you wearing.

[Counter-puncher]

I'm sorry nick you just come across as so one-eyed (example: To this day years later you refuse to accept the judges decision that haskins beat Stu, yet when they give a score that suits you you say 'judges decision is final and that's that') that even if you make a perfectly reasonable argument most of us will think you're only saying it because you're biased.

[nick885]

I'm sorry nick you just come across as so one-eyed (example: To this day years later you refuse to accept the judges decision that haskins beat Stu, yet when they give a score that suits you you say 'judges decision is final and that's that') that even if you make a perfectly reasonable argument most of us will think you're only saying it because you're biased.

I have to accept the judge's decision like everyone else does I was just pointing out what everyone thought that was there on the night.

[Horse]

I have to accept the judge's decision like everyone else does I was just pointing out what everyone thought that was there on the night.

That's not what everyone thought.

[Autobarn]

Thanks for clarifying about Amagasa and his weight.

However he'd only competed to my knowledge at a good level at 122 - where he faced Rigondeaux in that very good fight and also in another good battle, Ryol Li Lee in that revenge win.

I think Warrington is a solid and strong boxer and will have a good fight with Selby, who is often open and off balance.

He's only fought once at world level, against Rigo, that was his ONLY bout at 122lbs. He has been the OPBF and Japanese champion at 126lbs, with bouts against Lee (as you mentioned), Takenaka (current OPBF champion-who was incidentally out boxing Amagasa until being stopped in round 12), Watanabe (VERY tough SOB- if you've never see Watnabe Vs Jaesung Lee I SERIOUSLY reccomend it, absolute blood bath).

Yeah I was checking the weights earlier and realised belatedly he's a career featherweight. Because of Amagasa's good showings vs super bantam forces Rigo and Lee (albeit a weight up) I stereotyped him as a super bantam.

Always looking to catch up on the great fights over in Japan. Fallen behind a bit since the days of Hasegawa (vs Veeraphol 1) and Nishioka (the Veeraphol series, Nakajima, Napapol) notwithstanding the great fights involving Ioka and Yaegashi.


One thing I did know, Amagasa was going to extend Warrington, who I believe has had things all his own way until that intense and absorbing battle in Leeds last weekend. Refreshing fight following the easy blowouts by Joshua and Brook.
What was the first Amagasa v Lee fight like?

[Boxing Prospect]

Can't recall seeing the first one, or his bout with Watanabe, suggest you start following Inoue if you want to get back in to the Japanese picture, amazing fighter.

[Dan Dares]

Eff all?

That's a bit strong. Hall was more effective, but I saw Guerrero land a decent number of shots and thought he won 5 rounds. Sometimes faces don't tell the whole story, especially when one fighter is focused on the body.

You're right, fornicate all was a bit strong, and perhaps a bit insulting to the fighter. It was a close fight. I had it 115-113 for Hall, Guerrero put in a good shift.

[nick885]

Eff all?

That's a bit strong. Hall was more effective, but I saw Guerrero land a decent number of shots and thought he won 5 rounds. Sometimes faces don't tell the whole story, especially when one fighter is focused on the body.

You're right, eff all was a bit strong, and perhaps a bit insulting to the fighter. It was a close fight. I had it 115-113 for Hall, Guerrero put in a good shift.

[nick885]

I have to accept the judge's decision like everyone else does I was just pointing out what everyone thought that was there on the night.

That's not what everyone thought.

You were there then

[Horse]

You were there then

We've already had this discussion a few years ago.

[davie]

You were there then

We've already had this discussion a few years ago.

You discussed a fight that happened in April 2016 a couple years ago?

How do you see Ward vs Kovalev panning out in 2019?

[mickey1975]

You were there then

We've already had this discussion a few years ago.

You discussed a fight that happened in April 2016 a couple years ago?

How do you see Ward vs Kovalev panning out in 2019?

He's on about Haskins-Hall.