Contented Fury ready to fade away?

[montrealsuper]

I think he won the first easily, ate a handful of good shots but he didn't look like he'd even been in a fight. Klitschko is not going to all of the sudden turn into Mike Tyson. And that's his only shot.

Agree - no way will WK lay it all on the line - he hates to get hit and will not expose his brain to damage - not sure how he can box differently this time - Fury will just keep doing what works - even tho the first fight was so boring the rematch is actually quite intriguing - to see if WK allows a repeat - will WK just forfeit his title to Fury with so little effort and pride to hold on to it?

[cold187]

Fury will be in shape come fight night

[lckov]

I think Klitschko wins by KO in the rematch, has one voluntary defence (hopefully against Ortiz but probably a second fight with Povetkin), and then retires.

Fury always sounds like a man with manic depression, going from very confident and cocky, but then becoming very flat and dejected. I do wonder if he has the same motivation this time around now he has proved the world wrong.

I want a Fury win because he is something new and very awkward and under rated, but I can't see it. Then again, I couldn't the first time.

[ikorolev]

I think he won the first easily, ate a handful of good shots but he didn't look like he'd even been in a fight. Klitschko is not going to all of the sudden turn into Mike Tyson. And that's his only shot.

Agree - no way will WK lay it all on the line - he hates to get hit and will not expose his brain to damage - not sure how he can box differently this time - Fury will just keep doing what works - even tho the first fight was so boring the rematch is actually quite intriguing - to see if WK allows a repeat - will WK just forfeit his title to Fury with so little effort and pride to hold on to it?

He has no choice -- it is win or retire for him.

[Badhusker]

I give Fury credit for the win, but come on. Wlad is 40 years old and Fury is prime age. If anyone was impressed with ether's performance you are either a nuthugger or don't know boxing very well. It was the least amount of punches landed in history of any 12 round championship fight. Pathetic. If Fury is the best in the world, truly the best, in my opinion the heavyweight division is total crap. Fury better retire before someone that can hit back gets in the ring with him.

[Horse]

I give Fury credit for the win, but come on. Wlad is 40 years old and Fury is prime age. If anyone was impressed with ether's performance you are either a nuthugger or don't know boxing very well. It was the least amount of punches landed in history of any 12 round championship fight. Pathetic. If Fury is the best in the world, truly the best, in my opinion the heavyweight division is total crap. Fury better retire before someone that can hit back gets in the ring with him.

If anyone wasn't impressed by Fury then they don't know much about boxing.

[fanman]

To be honeat fury should put a beating on vlad this time. He is on the up and vlad on the decline. Of course vlad is a monster puncher so he certainly has a chance.

[Taki...]

Seems to me it's the hard work in the gym that Fury has real distaste for. He always seems up for the verbal sparring and the fights themselves, but we've seen him in awful shape enough times to suggest that's the area where he lack motivation.

[asdfjkl]

Fury says so many things, he said he would retire after Klitschko, then he said he wanted to fight Vitali after Wlad, then he wanted to fight Wilder and AJ, then he said Martin was a lot better as AJ... I'm not that worried about Fury, no matter what he says.

I'm more worried about Wilder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7PFziZRsQ

Did his steroids stopped working or so?

[montrealsuper]

Fury also called out Lennox too lol He does seem to hate training and the spartan life of sacrificing good foods and sweets and his body is a far cry from Holyfield or Joshua but he can box like a master -

[montrealsuper]

I give Fury credit for the win, but come on. Wlad is 40 years old and Fury is prime age. If anyone was impressed with ether's performance you are either a nuthugger or don't know boxing very well. It was the least amount of punches landed in history of any 12 round championship fight. Pathetic. If Fury is the best in the world, truly the best, in my opinion the heavyweight division is total crap. Fury better retire before someone that can hit back gets in the ring with him.

If anyone wasn't impressed by Fury then they don't know much about boxing.

exactly -

[montrealsuper]

Wilder gonna be a hard guy to subdue - but if Povetkin connects it could be lights out - still recall reading Klitschko say WIlder punches very hard "but he can't take it at all"

[Ilya Muromets]

I think Klitschko wins by KO in the rematch, has one voluntary defence (hopefully against Ortiz but probably a second fight with Povetkin), and then retires.

Fury always sounds like a man with manic depression, going from very confident and cocky, but then becoming very flat and dejected. I do wonder if he has the same motivation this time around now he has proved the world wrong.

I want a Fury win because he is something new and very awkward and under rated, but I can't see it. Then again, I couldn't the first time.

Interesting observation.

[Ilya Muromets]

My crystal ball doesn't show that yet...just clouds. If you cross my palm with silver I think my crystal ball might show more.

On second thoughts I'd rather not have the result spoiled.

But u would be amazed and say it was the best $50 u ever spent! Also I see a wonderful business opportunity coming your way. My crystal ball says it will tell all for only $25. I could guess your weight for only a dollar...

[Ilya Muromets]

"Tyson Fury is a victim of racism – from white people"

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/sp ... ite-people

[Ilya Muromets]

Seems to me it's the hard work in the gym that Fury has real distaste for. He always seems up for the verbal sparring and the fights themselves, but we've seen him in awful shape enough times to suggest that's the area where he lack motivation.

He's working out hard now. When have u seen him "in awful shape"?

[Bard of Boxrec]

I think he's personally hurt by the lack of support from the boxing establishment in his native country. I don't blame him. Here he did a seemingly impossible thing (outboxing Klitschko at least eight or nine out of twelve rounds in Germany of all places) when so many have tried and failed and no one in the press gave him a shot of winning.

In Britain, instead of boasting and bragging about having the best heavyweight in the world, they throw all their support behind a relatively unproven heavyweight who won a trash can belt that was on the waist of a trash can fighter who won on a technicality over another trash can fighter, in a title fight that shouldn't have been in the first place. Yet the entire country is going bananas over him when just two months before he almost got sparked out against Dillian Whyte, who is domestic level at best.

In America, HBO and SHOWTIME ignore him and boast and brag about Deontay Wilder and his WBC trinket belt knocking over hand picked dead men and fringe hanger on's and speculate and jack off to the idea of a Wilder-Joshua contest, rather than give Fury the time of day. It's as if they sigh and say (reluctantly) "...but of course, the true champion is Fury" as if they are disappointed in a near seven foot, unorthodox, brash talking heavyweight who is just as entertaining out of the ring as he is in it.

The entire thing is a throwback to boxing's darker times. Rewind a hundred years and you see a similar situation where a loud, big, skillful heavyweight named Johnson defeated an unpopular champion.... and the entire world scorned the victory and instead looked at ANYONE ELSE in the world to be recognized as champion, or as a worthy challenger to defeat the "menace" that won the world's championship. That was because Johnson was 1) black, 2) controversial for the time, 3) trash talking, 4) considered unAmerican and for a number of years (as champion) lived as a man without a country.


Here we are in 2016.... a gypsy, whose been criticized heavily in the press for his views and language, who boasts and brags, and is considered "foreign" in his own birth country and isn't cherished on either side of the pond.... The date and times are different, but not the circumstance. Tyson Fury, the Gypsy King, the Romany Giant.... Jack Johnson, the Galveston Giant.... the same story all over again. Only this time, its not the Great White Hope, but rather the Great Black British Hope and the Great Black American Hope are considered more "champion" and "proper" than the legitimate, linear, undisputed, true, champion of the world.

I think there should be more support in the UK for Fury, and I think there could have been if he had the right PR path, but the homophobia thing and the brashness didn't help his cause and people sort of tuned out. I think the average sports fan over here was amused by the singing and bizarre antics but at the same time there is a nasty side to him that isn't very likeable, and ultimately his performances in the ring haven't really convinced the layman they want to tune in.

Whereas Joshua is bowling guys over and comes off as a nicer guy to the masses (the fence-sitting sages don't like the fake humble thing or whatever; I choose to judge him in the ring though). I also personally think he has shown enough in 16 fights to suggest he beats Fury easily...so will the books too unfortunately.

Having said this I think Fury definitely has enough of a profile to make the Joshua fight huge and it's a marketer's dream, an obvious face vs heel scenario.

[Badhusker]

I give Fury credit for the win, but come on. Wlad is 40 years old and Fury is prime age. If anyone was impressed with ether's performance you are either a nuthugger or don't know boxing very well. It was the least amount of punches landed in history of any 12 round championship fight. Pathetic. If Fury is the best in the world, truly the best, in my opinion the heavyweight division is total crap. Fury better retire before someone that can hit back gets in the ring with him.

If anyone wasn't impressed by Fury then they don't know much about boxing.

I'll gladly wear that label if I end up being wrong. I'm not going to lie and say I was impressed. I was not impressed by either, and it was a horrible fight, and painful to watch. If Fury goes on to beat Joshua, Wilder/Povetkin, Ortiz, and Parker, I will be impressed. I'm not so sure about Parker yet, but think the other guys beat him. He has a much better chance of beating Povetkin too, if by some miracle he gets past Wilder.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think he's personally hurt by the lack of support from the boxing establishment in his native country. I don't blame him. Here he did a seemingly impossible thing (outboxing Klitschko at least eight or nine out of twelve rounds in Germany of all places) when so many have tried and failed and no one in the press gave him a shot of winning.

In Britain, instead of boasting and bragging about having the best heavyweight in the world, they throw all their support behind a relatively unproven heavyweight who won a trash can belt that was on the waist of a trash can fighter who won on a technicality over another trash can fighter, in a title fight that shouldn't have been in the first place. Yet the entire country is going bananas over him when just two months before he almost got sparked out against Dillian Whyte, who is domestic level at best.

In America, HBO and SHOWTIME ignore him and boast and brag about Deontay Wilder and his WBC trinket belt knocking over hand picked dead men and fringe hanger on's and speculate and jack off to the idea of a Wilder-Joshua contest, rather than give Fury the time of day. It's as if they sigh and say (reluctantly) "...but of course, the true champion is Fury" as if they are disappointed in a near seven foot, unorthodox, brash talking heavyweight who is just as entertaining out of the ring as he is in it.

The entire thing is a throwback to boxing's darker times. Rewind a hundred years and you see a similar situation where a loud, big, skillful heavyweight named Johnson defeated an unpopular champion.... and the entire world scorned the victory and instead looked at ANYONE ELSE in the world to be recognized as champion, or as a worthy challenger to defeat the "menace" that won the world's championship. That was because Johnson was 1) black, 2) controversial for the time, 3) trash talking, 4) considered unAmerican and for a number of years (as champion) lived as a man without a country.


Here we are in 2016.... a gypsy, whose been criticized heavily in the press for his views and language, who boasts and brags, and is considered "foreign" in his own birth country and isn't cherished on either side of the pond.... The date and times are different, but not the circumstance. Tyson Fury, the Gypsy King, the Romany Giant.... Jack Johnson, the Galveston Giant.... the same story all over again. Only this time, its not the Great White Hope, but rather the Great Black British Hope and the Great Black American Hope are considered more "champion" and "proper" than the legitimate, linear, undisputed, true, champion of the world.

I think there should be more support in the UK for Fury, and I think there could have been if he had the right PR path, but the homophobia thing and the brashness didn't help his cause and people sort of tuned out. I think the average sports fan over here was amused by the singing and bizarre antics but at the same time there is a nasty side to him that isn't very likeable, and ultimately his performances in the ring haven't really convinced the layman they want to tune in.

Whereas Joshua is bowling guys over and comes off as a nicer guy to the masses (the fence-sitting sages don't like the fake humble thing or whatever; I choose to judge him in the ring though). I also personally think he has shown enough in 16 fights to suggest he beats Fury easily...so will the books too unfortunately.

Having said this I think Fury definitely has enough of a profile to make the Joshua fight huge and it's a marketer's dream, an obvious face vs heel scenario.

Totally agree. Especially the Face v Heel bit, you can already see the beginnings of it in Fury interviews, he's going to play the cowboy with the black hat, and the fight if and when it happens, will be absolutely huge, I can see if doing the kind of numbers Froch Groves II did.

[Horse]

I'll gladly wear that label if I end up being wrong. I'm not going to lie and say I was impressed. I was not impressed by either, and it was a horrible fight, and painful to watch. If Fury goes on to beat Joshua, Wilder/Povetkin, Ortiz, and Parker, I will be impressed. I'm not so sure about Parker yet, but think the other guys beat him. He has a much better chance of beating Povetkin too, if by some miracle he gets past Wilder.

So if Fury clears out the entire fricking division then you will begrudgingly give him a little respect?

[Bard of Boxrec]

I give Fury credit for the win, but come on. Wlad is 40 years old and Fury is prime age. If anyone was impressed with ether's performance you are either a nuthugger or don't know boxing very well. It was the least amount of punches landed in history of any 12 round championship fight. Pathetic. If Fury is the best in the world, truly the best, in my opinion the heavyweight division is total crap. Fury better retire before someone that can hit back gets in the ring with him.

If anyone wasn't impressed by Fury then they don't know much about boxing.

I'll gladly wear that label if I end up being wrong. I'm not going to lie and say I was impressed. I was not impressed by either, and it was a horrible fight, and painful to watch. If Fury goes on to beat Joshua, Wilder/Povetkin, Ortiz, and Parker, I will be impressed. I'm not so sure about Parker yet, but think the other guys beat him. He has a much better chance of beating Povetkin too, if by some miracle he gets past Wilder.

I would be really confident picking Povetkin over Fury. Really confident.

[SFW]

Povetkin will be a non-factor soon. He had his chance, looked pathetic. Fury on the other hand, did much better. Fury deserves the credit, but won't get it. Same old shit, nothing new.

[Crease]

Fury is an arsepiece that ducked out of defending his "british title" against the big punching David Price, who was knocking everyone out in 1 or 2 rounds, in favour for fighting for the Irish title against 42 year old Taxi Driver.

Well there's a bit more to it than that. And considering what way their careers have went since then, makes it an absurdly laughable comment.
Consider accusing THE MAN who defeated Wladimir Klitchsko of "ducking" a boxer who found his level against Tony Thomspon (twice) and Erkan Teper is ludicrous.


There's a bit of a backstory to the Fury vs Rogan fight - is was for the Irish Heavyweight Title (not exactly a big deal, I grant you) and it was a fight that held meaning for Tyson. Back in 2008, he applied for an Irish passport and was rejected. So that scuppered his dream of going to the Olympics and fighting for Ireland.

But it hurt Tyson much more than that, he seen it as an attack on his nationality, all the gypsies in Salford (at Paddy Doherty's caravan site) consider themselves Irish Travelers'. So gaining an Irish passport and fighting for the Irish Heavyweight Title validated his identity.

Also, the taxi driver in question was Martin Rogan - who was the original Prizefighter Champion and also accumulated the Commonwealth Title after that, so he wasn't exactly the no-hoper that some people make him out to be.

[Crease]

I think that Tyson is very honest, but he does suffer from bi-polar so he can be very inconsistent with his views. Truthfully, I do believe what he says when he states that he's acheieved his objective. He always wanted to be World Heavyweight Champion, he promised it and proclaimed it for years and years - then he defeated the number one man.

He said he was going to do it. And he did it.

If he wants to walk away then good luck to him.

[Taki...]

Seems to me it's the hard work in the gym that Fury has real distaste for. He always seems up for the verbal sparring and the fights themselves, but we've seen him in awful shape enough times to suggest that's the area where he lack motivation.

He's working out hard now. When have u seen him "in awful shape"?

Against Abell and McDermot specifically. If we assume his weight against Wlad to be 'ideal' (around 245 to 250lbs), he has come in well north of that multiple times. They don't call him 'Love handles' for nothing.