keirw wrote:The Normans themselves didn't really consider themselves French, their Norse ancesters only swore fealty to the French because it secured them the right to settle in the ripe and fertile part of northern France that became known as Normandy.
Many medieval Normans felt closer to the people of England than they did the people of France due to their Nordic ancestry.
Much of northern and western France (including Normandy) were ruled and settled by the English during the hundred year war.
But it has no direct bearing on how they see themselves today, they are French, as France is their home, regardless of where their ancestors came from.
And the same applies to the British.
Indeed - but Tuan Jim is talking about 'English Law' and that law came directly from France - now though the Normans and the English were descended from the same people, the Normans brought over novel, foreign concepts to England such as a legal system, something that was tried and failed to take off under the rule of King Alfred.
Than Jim is either racist or on the wind up.
By his logic a white person born and bred in Copenhagen has more right to call themself English than a black person born and bred in London, simply because the former is from the same country King Canute came from and the latter probably has African or Caribbean parents/grand parents.
keirw wrote:The Normans themselves didn't really consider themselves French, their Norse ancesters only swore fealty to the French because it secured them the right to settle in the ripe and fertile part of northern France that became known as Normandy.
Many medieval Normans felt closer to the people of England than they did the people of France due to their Nordic ancestry.
Much of northern and western France (including Normandy) were ruled and settled by the English during the hundred year war.
But it has no direct bearing on how they see themselves today, they are French, as France is their home, regardless of where their ancestors came from.
And the same applies to the British.
Indeed - but Tuan Jim is talking about 'English Law' and that law came directly from France - now though the Normans and the English were descended from the same people, the Normans brought over novel, foreign concepts to England such as a legal system, something that was tried and failed to take off under the rule of King Alfred.
Than Jim is either racist or on the wind up.
By his logic a white person born and bred in Copenhagen has more right to call themself English than a black person born and bred in London, simply because the former is from the same country King Canute came from and the latter probably has African or Caribbean parents/grand parents.
It's silly isn't it. What is worrying is there are 16 people who believe the same nonsense as him, which is expected I suppose, thankfully a very small minority.
Fat Git wrote:
Indeed - but Tuan Jim is talking about 'English Law' and that law came directly from France - now though the Normans and the English were descended from the same people, the Normans brought over novel, foreign concepts to England such as a legal system, something that was tried and failed to take off under the rule of King Alfred.
Than Jim is either racist or on the wind up.
By his logic a white person born and bred in Copenhagen has more right to call themself English than a black person born and bred in London, simply because the former is from the same country King Canute came from and the latter probably has African or Caribbean parents/grand parents.
It's silly isn't it. What is worrying is there are 16 people who believe the same nonsense as him, which is expected I suppose, thankfully a very small minority.
Hopefully that's not what he's trying to say, as it's very much the argument of the BNP
Stuarty30 wrote:
Frankie Boyle once described cricket as a homosexual martial art He also once tweeted 'Ireland has a cricket team?' 'This is like cool runnings'
I`m English, but I`ve met some proper wankstains from England. As someone said earlier it`s mainly the middle/upper class turds who are basically just clueless muppets.
being from Yorkshire I find I have more in common with the Welsh than I do most southerners. Apart from the snobby types that Essex boy mentality and humour just makes no sense to me at all.
Have always had a great time in Wales and never had any shit about being English. Same in Scotland to a degree, although I have met some proper anti English twats up there. I`ve never understood why someone can use what may have happened 500 years ago as an excuse to hate an entire country of people.
It`s like the Germans, they get such a bad rap due to the past but the Germans you meet today were not even born when the shit went down and I find them an accepting and friendly lot. Always have a great time in Germany.
I think we would all agree though that when it comes to cuntishness, especially in the sporting fans sense, the Saffas take some beating.
I just take people as I find them. Don't care where they're from, where they've been or where they're going. Every area in every country in the world has good Kunts and their fair share of helmets. life's too short to go about hating folk because of where they're from or what God they pray to. There's no sense in it.
Ps I am not a hippy, love everyone type. I dislike lots of folk and hate a few but all for a reason.
Yes he born and raised here, I have arguments like this all the time, most recently about John Barnes who is Jamaican because he was born and raised there and speaks with a frickin Jamaican accent. Yet ol' nobby says he's English.
SNG wrote:Yeah, it's a bit like how I don't hate the Welsh. Except for their rugby fans.
I'm Welsh, and I hate the vast majority of our rugby fans.
Why? Altho I have to say, not much a fan of the rugby crowd.
The other week I was in the vicinity of the Hong Kong rugby sevens. The biggest event on the sports calendar bar none.
Didn’t see many locals but I saw sh*t loads of whites in fancy dress costumes.
The locals can’t really afford it and although it’s heavily sponsored by HSBC and the like, the team that won it (Fiji I believe) who are semi-pro and all have jobs...this year the prize money was cancelled Screw that!
banjo wrote:Yes he born and raised here, I have arguments like this all the time, most recently about John Barnes who is Jamaican because he was born and raised there and speaks with a frickin Jamaican accent. Yet ol' nobby says he's English.
John Barnes comes across as a great guy. He was coaching Chinese kids last week as part of some foundation or other. I bet he’s a brilliant coach for kids.
Surprised he never became a manager...
SNG wrote:Yeah, it's a bit like how I don't hate the Welsh. Except for their rugby fans.
I'm Welsh, and I hate the vast majority of our rugby fans.
Why? Altho I have to say, not much a fan of the rugby crowd.
The other week I was in the vicinity of the Hong Kong rugby sevens. The biggest event on the sports calendar bar none.
Didn’t see many locals but I saw sh*t loads of whites in fancy dress costumes.
The locals can’t really afford it and although it’s heavily sponsored by HSBC and the like, the team that won it (Fiji I believe) who are semi-pro and all have jobs...this year the prize money was cancelled Screw that!
Because about 95% of them don't have any interest in rugby, they just pretend to like it when the 6 Nations and World Cup tournaments are on, as it's an excuse to dress-up like a knob and drink all day.
If you were to ask the average attendee of a Welsh international an extremely simple question about the rules of rugby (even something like how many points does a win earn), the vast majority wouldn't have a clue. Which would be fine, if they weren't pretending to be die-hard passionate rugby fans for a day.
Boxerbeetle wrote:
I'm Welsh, and I hate the vast majority of our rugby fans.
Why? Altho I have to say, not much a fan of the rugby crowd.
The other week I was in the vicinity of the Hong Kong rugby sevens. The biggest event on the sports calendar bar none.
Didn’t see many locals but I saw sh*t loads of whites in fancy dress costumes.
The locals can’t really afford it and although it’s heavily sponsored by HSBC and the like, the team that won it (Fiji I believe) who are semi-pro and all have jobs...this year the prize money was cancelled Screw that!
Because about 95% of them don't have any interest in rugby, they just pretend to like it when the 6 Nations and World Cup tournaments are on, as it's an excuse to dress-up like a knob and drink all day.
If you were to ask the average attendee of a Welsh international an extremely simple question about the rules of rugby (even something like how many points does a win earn), the vast majority wouldn't have a clue. Which would be fine, if they weren't pretending to be die-hard passionate rugby fans for a day.
To be fair though, the point scoring does seem to get more and more complicated every tournament, I bet there's a few hardcore Rugby fans who get confused by it.
irish boys, class aj as irish we cant wait to see him fight fury the real irish world champ . in croke park in there gaa shirts after September, best irish heavy weight since jack dempsey
brilo33 wrote:irish boys, class aj as irish we cant wait to see him fight fury the real irish world champ . in croke park in there gaa shirts after September, best irish heavy weight since jack dempsey
banjo wrote:Yes he born and raised here, I have arguments like this all the time, most recently about John Barnes who is Jamaican because he was born and raised there and speaks with a frickin Jamaican accent. Yet ol' nobby says he's English.
John Barnes comes across as a great guy. He was coaching Chinese kids last week as part of some foundation or other. I bet he’s a brilliant coach for kids.
Surprised he never became a manager...
banjo wrote:Yes he born and raised here, I have arguments like this all the time, most recently about John Barnes who is Jamaican because he was born and raised there and speaks with a frickin Jamaican accent. Yet ol' nobby says he's English.
John Barnes comes across as a great guy. He was coaching Chinese kids last week as part of some foundation or other. I bet he’s a brilliant coach for kids.
Surprised he never became a manager...
magwitch wrote:
John Barnes comes across as a great guy. He was coaching Chinese kids last week as part of some foundation or other. I bet he’s a brilliant coach for kids.
Surprised he never became a manager...
He had a short spell managing Celtic
Short, and disastrous.
I found it quite funny. His rap in that England song still makes my balls shrink and disappear in to my stomach.
What is worrying is there are 16 people who believe the same nonsense as him, which is expected I suppose, thankfully a very small minority.
He also once tweeted 'Ireland has a cricket team?' 'This is like cool runnings' 
Screw that!