Interesting US Hatton Article

boxingchat · Post by **boxingchat** » 09 Feb 2006, 06:14

So Hatton wants a the Big Fights aye?

"I'm only interested in the Big Fights"
Forget Hatton, Mayweather zig-Zabs to Judah
Wednesday, February 08, 2006
By David Mayo
The Grand Rapids Press

Being held to task isn't a favorite of Floyd Mayweather's, especially, and understandably, when unwarranted.

In the midst of a long Tuesday of interviews at a New York news conference formally announcing his welterweight fight against Zab Judah on April 8 in Las Vegas, Mayweather did one with ESPN featuring a heated exchange over why he never fought Ricky Hatton.

First, this from the truth corner:

Mayweather has offered to fight several high-quality opponents, including Hatton, and some even more dangerous and tested than Hatton, without success.

Never once has Hatton uttered the words, "I want Mayweather right now, so let's make it happen," and when last I asked Hatton about it, he hedged and yammered about the timing of the fight so much that he might as well have said, "No thanks," to the anticipated rump-kicking right then.

Mayweather is proceeding with the Judah fight because there wasn't a better option after Judah botched the basis for the event, which was supposed to be for the undisputed welterweight championship.

Judah-Mayweather still is being billed as for the welterweight championship, even though Judah lost a welterweight championship fight just four weeks ago to Carlos Baldomir. That's false advertising perpetuated by some of boxing's most powerful entities, though Baldomir contributed to it himself by refusing to pay two of the three sanctioning fees for fighting Judah, a move that smacks of a guy who thought he was going to lose.

"I think Zab truly overlooked Baldomir," Mayweather said, "which is a fight he didn't have to take, he shouldn't have taken it, but he did

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take it, and he didn't take care of business."

The by-product Tuesday, and perhaps for two more months to come, was the dredging up of why Mayweather isn't fighting Hatton.

At issue is that Mayweather still holds one-third of the super lightweight title, the World Boxing Council version he won last June from Arturo Gatti, while Hatton holds the other two-thirds.

It seemed an obvious unification between two undefeated fighters, though Mayweather didn't want to fight in Hatton's native England, and Hatton never completely embraced the proposal regardless of venue.

So Mayweather moved in his own direction. And frankly, after almost a decade without a loss, and earning universal recognition as boxing's pound-for-pound boss, there was little reason to put his career on simmer for an iffy 140-pound unification with a balky opponent, rather than take a shot at the 147-pound undisputed champion immediately.

Judah scorched that plan with a loss, though he remained the most readily available and attractive opponent, and Mayweather still needed a fight, so the pay-per-view event proceeds as planned.

But some of the attention the fight will receive is for reasons Mayweather will not appreciate, and for which he isn't culpable.

"I'm not getting the respect I deserve for fighting the best guys because I can't make the best other fighters fight me," Mayweather said Tuesday night. "I'm chasing these other guys but I'm the one on top, the one on the throne. These guys should be chasing me."

He went down the usual list of suspects and his perceptions of them: Baldomir and Winky Wright want too much money, Hatton and Shane Mosley don't want the fight at all, and his promoter Top Rank Inc. would prefer not to match him against its own up-and-comers Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito.

There are two sides to all those stories, especially the ones involving who wants too much.

The Judah-Mayweather fight is for the International Boxing Federation title, which also will generate is share of brow-arching publicity.

The IBF ordinarily would have stripped Judah after the loss to Baldomir, even though that title technically was not at stake because Baldomir paid only the WBC's three-percent sanctioning fee. Therefore, Baldomir won only the WBC title.

The IBF -- which remains under federal monitoring after its past administration sold ratings, including bribes admittedly paid by promoter Bob Arum after an investigation in which Arum's rival Don King also was targeted -- opted against stripping Judah.

Arum and King are co-promoting Judah-Mayweather, their first fight together since Felix Trinidad-Oscar De La Hoya in 1999, with sponsorship from casino giants Caesars Palace and Wynn Resort.

There also are two sizeable sanctioning fees for the IBF to rake -- Mayweather's will be $150,000 of a $5 million base -- plus the opportunity to break the WBC's lockhold on Mayweather, who has held only WBC titles throughout his career.

The IBF's peculiar actions also are nothing of Mayweather's doing. He agreed to a restructured fight contract before the IBF decided against stripping Judah.

"I didn't know nothing about no IBF title," Mayweather said. "I didn't ask no questions. I just said, 'Let's fight.' "

And Mayweather ultimately finds himself defending Judah as an opponent, even if he doesn't forgive Judah for an indifferent showing against Baldomir.

"The reason Zab got the fight is he deserves it," Mayweather said. "It was a close fight with Baldomir. It isn't like Zab got dominated or got knocked out. And when Zab lost to Kostya Tszyu, he still was able to come back and win the welterweight championship from Cory Spinks.

"Regardless what people think, Zab was still the best guy available. Everybody wants to talk about Ricky Hatton but Ricky Hatton didn't want the fight. Zab did, and he deserves a chance to come back."

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stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Feb 2006, 06:45

Bollocks from Mayweather - not necessarily about what he says about Hatton (although I'm sure he did say he wanted him after the Gatti fight when commentating) - but about Judah being the MOST deserving opponent. I'm sure Carlos Baldomir will argue otherwise.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 09 Feb 2006, 08:04

Props to Steve Wynn for putting his money where his mouth is; think he might also have been instrumental in the Morales - Pac rematch. Could be some interesting operational changes in HBO PPV during the year.

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 09 Feb 2006, 10:11

The stuff about Baldomir expecting to lose because he didn't pay the sanctioning fees is harsh. Baldomir has already stated that he only got 150k for the fight and after taxes and paying trainers etc that would of been less and then on top of that paying 3% of that purse to every governing body involved, he would of walked away with fornicate all from what many would expect to be a big pay day.

Mayweather is full of crap I think. He claims that he approached Baldomir but Baldomir priced himself out saying he wanted millions. It must of been a very short negotiation as the Judah fight seemed set in stone shortly after and Baldomir looks to be the opponent for Hatton next, if he really was looking for multiple millions I don't think Hatton would be pursuing the fight.

As for Hatton, he completely avoided mentioning Hatton in that ESPN interview. The only instance I heard of Mayweather trying to make a fight with Hatton was when he first moved up to the weight at which point it wasn't as attractive a fight because Mayweather hadn't established himself at the weight and Hatton was still under Warrens care and had yet to fight Tszyu. I reckon if Hatton moves up a weight and stays up then he will pursue Mayweather towards the end of the year just like he said, that is if Mayweather doesn't go off on a fossil hunt after DLH.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 12 Feb 2006, 01:59

Cannibal wrote:The stuff about Baldomir expecting to lose because he didn't pay the sanctioning fees is harsh. Baldomir has already stated that he only got 150k for the fight and after taxes and paying trainers etc that would of been less and then on top of that paying 3% of that purse to every governing body involved, he would of walked away with smeg all from what many would expect to be a big pay day.

Mayweather is full of crap I think. He claims that he approached Baldomir but Baldomir priced himself out saying he wanted millions. It must of been a very short negotiation as the Judah fight seemed set in stone shortly after and Baldomir looks to be the opponent for Hatton next, if he really was looking for multiple millions I don't think Hatton would be pursuing the fight.

As for Hatton, he completely avoided mentioning Hatton in that ESPN interview. The only instance I heard of Mayweather trying to make a fight with Hatton was when he first moved up to the weight at which point it wasn't as attractive a fight because Mayweather hadn't established himself at the weight and Hatton was still under Warrens care and had yet to fight Tszyu. I reckon if Hatton moves up a weight and stays up then he will pursue Mayweather towards the end of the year just like he said, that is if Mayweather doesn't go off on a fossil hunt after DLH.

oscar fight ANYONE brings them the payday of their career, so if DLH makes good on his stated desire to close his career, i would be amazed if PBF turned down a payday like that (probably $7-8 million)...

ricky & floyd are still young, so there is plenty of time for their fight, tho it may be at 147...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2006, 14:13

floys isnt that young he's 29 and his style won't probably last much beyond his early 30s.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 12 Feb 2006, 14:38

Floyd's a phony who doesn't want the best. Hatton KO's him.

He may have proved himself at Lightweight which I doubt but he ain't proved himself at Lightwelter or Welter to say he won't be beaten other than what crazy Americans say and the people who believe them.

Hatton's style can work and beat Floyd, he didn't need it for Maussa although he did it anyway with him.

Hatton did say after Maussa he wanted him didn't he? That look into my eyes stuff he was saying.

Don't blame Baldomir for only paying for one title too for a low pay like 150 K.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2006, 15:19

Floyd is hardly a phony, admittedly his recent career hasn't been stellar, but he's got a fantastic resume and he's the best technical fighter campaigning today. His early career was stunning, but he's started to cherry pick opponents now, and seems to be doing a bit of a Roy Jone

Floyd has the perfect style to give Hatton nightmares, I'm not saying Ricky cannot win, but I think it's by far the hardest matchup style wise. Someone who doesn't move a lot like Cotto I think would be physically overwhelmed by Hatton, but Floyd has the speed of foot, thought and punch, matched with incredible fitness to make Ricky's life very difficult. I also think that despite the physical disparity, Floyd hits accurately and with such speed that he can hurt anyone at the weight and even beyond, much like Ray Leonard who was able to twat the shite out of Donny LaLonde.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Feb 2006, 15:35

Mayweather could be in a lot of trouble vs a bigger man who likes to throws lots of shots and bully - as Hatton does. Floyd isn't a big junior welter at all, and he was a very unimpressive lightweight champ. IMO he never beat Castillo twice and put very little into his punches vs JLC, perhaps in grave concern of leaving himself open.

While Castillo is very good at cutting the opponent off and selecting the right punch for whatever situation, he doesn't usually throw that many punches. (apart from the 2nd Stevie Johnston war, when he threw ,aybe 1000 punches). Hatton does and Mayweather will not like being forced to fight him off.

I can't believe Hatton doesn't think he's ready, after going through Tszyu. maybe he wants another fight against a world class tough guy without world class skill (Maussa-and now Baldomir...) for as much £ as possible?

For me, the worst opponent for Hatton is a big guy with an accurate, compact punch who can maybe split his face open: Cotto qualifies and so does Castillo.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 12 Feb 2006, 17:59

Max Molyneux wrote:Floyd's a phony who doesn't want the best. .

Could you possibly be any dumber?

Max Molyneux wrote: Hatton KO's him..

i guess I just got my answer to that question.

Max Molyneux wrote: He may have proved himself at Lightweight which I doubt .

Actually I wasn't right, you are completely dumb.

Max Molyneux wrote:but he ain't proved himself at Lightwelter .

Has Cotto? Has Maussa? Has Harris? Has Gatti? Or are only the people who have beaten Tszyu proved themselves?

Max Molyneux wrote:or Welter .

Who said he had proved himself at welter? He had one fight. Give him a chance.

Max Molyneux wrote: Hatton's style can work and beat Floyd, he didn't need it for Maussa although he did it anyway with him..

He got hit by Maussa many times. That was a poor performance by Hatton.

Max Molyneux wrote: Hatton did say after Maussa he wanted him didn't he? That look into my eyes stuff he was saying..

have you read the comments in the interview?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Feb 2006, 20:27

viciousmaussa wrote:Floyd isn't a big junior welter at all, and he was a very unimpressive lightweight champ. IMO he never beat Castillo twice and put very little into his punches vs JLC, perhaps in grave concern of leaving himself open.

How did you score Castillo-Mayweather - I scored the first fight 8-4 Floyd, its the biggest myth in boxing PBF lost this fight. JLC had the 2 biggest rounds of the fight but PBF won at least 7 rounds so I don't know how anyone can give it to JLC.

Not saying Hatton can't beat PBF and cause him problems but JLC never did mate.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Feb 2006, 01:48

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Floyd isn't a big junior welter at all, and he was a very unimpressive lightweight champ. IMO he never beat Castillo twice and put very little into his punches vs JLC, perhaps in grave concern of leaving himself open.
How did you score Castillo-Mayweather - I scored the first fight 8-4 Floyd, its the biggest myth in boxing PBF lost this fight. JLC had the 2 biggest rounds of the fight but PBF won at least 7 rounds so I don't know how anyone can give it to JLC.

Not saying Hatton can't beat PBF and cause him problems but JLC never did mate.

I had Castillo winning a close fight over Mayweather. PBF was so negative and relied on flashy single shots that I'm not impressed by, whereas JLC kept chipping away. as for the rematch, I had PBF winning very closely - Castillo seemed right in the fight until the last couple of rds when Floyd put some juice in his right hand and discouraged JLC from coming in.

Ppl can go on about Mayweather's bad shoulder in the first fight, but wasn't Castillo weight drained and didn't he have a messed up ankle?

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 02:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Floyd is hardly a phony, admittedly his recent career hasn't been stellar, but he's got a fantastic resume and he's the best technical fighter campaigning today. His early career was stunning, but he's started to cherry pick opponents now, and seems to be doing a bit of a Roy Jone

Floyd has the perfect style to give Hatton nightmares, I'm not saying Ricky cannot win, but I think it's by far the hardest matchup style wise. Someone who doesn't move a lot like Cotto I think would be physically overwhelmed by Hatton, but Floyd has the speed of foot, thought and punch, matched with incredible fitness to make Ricky's life very difficult. I also think that despite the physical disparity, Floyd hits accurately and with such speed that he can hurt anyone at the weight and even beyond, much like Ray Leonard who was able to twat the shite out of Donny LaLonde.

words of wisdom from a known professional!!!

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 02:52

lirva33 wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Floyd's a phony who doesn't want the best. .
Could you possibly be any dumber?

Max Molyneux wrote: Hatton KO's him..
i guess I just got my answer to that question.

Max Molyneux wrote: He may have proved himself at Lightweight which I doubt .
Actually I wasn't right, you are completely dumb.

Max Molyneux wrote:but he ain't proved himself at Lightwelter .
Has Cotto? Has Maussa? Has Harris? Has Gatti? Or are only the people who have beaten Tszyu proved themselves?

Max Molyneux wrote:or Welter .
Who said he had proved himself at welter? He had one fight. Give him a chance.

Max Molyneux wrote: Hatton's style can work and beat Floyd, he didn't need it for Maussa although he did it anyway with him..
He got hit by Maussa many times. That was a poor performance by Hatton.

Max Molyneux wrote: Hatton did say after Maussa he wanted him didn't he? That look into my eyes stuff he was saying..
have you read the comments in the interview?

you could be a professional as well...if you cant find a job in boxing, you could make a great standup comic who would be world-class in fending off drunken hecklers!!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Feb 2006, 09:34

shoutout2u wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Floyd is hardly a phony, admittedly his recent career hasn't been stellar, but he's got a fantastic resume and he's the best technical fighter campaigning today. His early career was stunning, but he's started to cherry pick opponents now, and seems to be doing a bit of a Roy Jone

Floyd has the perfect style to give Hatton nightmares, I'm not saying Ricky cannot win, but I think it's by far the hardest matchup style wise. Someone who doesn't move a lot like Cotto I think would be physically overwhelmed by Hatton, but Floyd has the speed of foot, thought and punch, matched with incredible fitness to make Ricky's life very difficult. I also think that despite the physical disparity, Floyd hits accurately and with such speed that he can hurt anyone at the weight and even beyond, much like Ray Leonard who was able to twat the shite out of Donny LaLonde.
words of wisdom from a known professional!!!

Just to point out in case you're one of those who mistake me for him, I'm not JimMcDonnell the former fighter and Danny Williams' current trainer. I'm the other less famous James McDonnell....thanks for the props in any case.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Feb 2006, 09:40

I think Mayweather would cut Hatton up and probably stop him if they ever fight... Hattons style is made for Mayweather... anyone who says Mayweather is a phoney is dreaming, the man is the best fighter in the world p4p hands down, and has been for quite a while...

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 13 Feb 2006, 13:39

viciousmaussa wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Floyd isn't a big junior welter at all, and he was a very unimpressive lightweight champ. IMO he never beat Castillo twice and put very little into his punches vs JLC, perhaps in grave concern of leaving himself open.
How did you score Castillo-Mayweather - I scored the first fight 8-4 Floyd, its the biggest myth in boxing PBF lost this fight. JLC had the 2 biggest rounds of the fight but PBF won at least 7 rounds so I don't know how anyone can give it to JLC.

Not saying Hatton can't beat PBF and cause him problems but JLC never did mate.
I had Castillo winning a close fight over Mayweather. PBF was so negative and relied on flashy single shots that I'm not impressed by, whereas JLC kept chipping away. as for the rematch, I had PBF winning very closely - Castillo seemed right in the fight until the last couple of rds when Floyd put some juice in his right hand and discouraged JLC from coming in.

Ppl can go on about Mayweather's bad shoulder in the first fight, but wasn't Castillo weight drained and didn't he have a messed up ankle?

Castillo didnt land much in most rounds though (although a couple of rounds he WON BIG), PBF landed the far far cleaner shots round on round (the 1s your calling flashy - there called clean punches), I thought the second fight was closer on my card than the first fight. I scored it 8-4 - I think its only controversal because everyone saw the TV pundits scoring it incorrectly to Castillo and hence everyone takes that as the correct score

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Feb 2006, 15:08

How can anyone think Castillo won either of those fights???

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Feb 2006, 17:16

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
shoutout2u wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Floyd is hardly a phony, admittedly his recent career hasn't been stellar, but he's got a fantastic resume and he's the best technical fighter campaigning today. His early career was stunning, but he's started to cherry pick opponents now, and seems to be doing a bit of a Roy Jone

Floyd has the perfect style to give Hatton nightmares, I'm not saying Ricky cannot win, but I think it's by far the hardest matchup style wise. Someone who doesn't move a lot like Cotto I think would be physically overwhelmed by Hatton, but Floyd has the speed of foot, thought and punch, matched with incredible fitness to make Ricky's life very difficult. I also think that despite the physical disparity, Floyd hits accurately and with such speed that he can hurt anyone at the weight and even beyond, much like Ray Leonard who was able to twat the shite out of Donny LaLonde.
words of wisdom from a known professional!!!
Just to point out in case you're one of those who mistake me for him, I'm not JimMcDonnell the former fighter and Danny Williams' current trainer. I'm the other less famous James McDonnell....thanks for the props in any case.

oh no, I could've sworn it was you who stopped Barry McGuigan on cuts

LMAO

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Feb 2006, 17:18

viciousmaussa wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
shoutout2u wrote: words of wisdom from a known professional!!!
Just to point out in case you're one of those who mistake me for him, I'm not JimMcDonnell the former fighter and Danny Williams' current trainer. I'm the other less famous James McDonnell....thanks for the props in any case.
oh no, I could've sworn it was you who stopped Barry McGuigan on cuts

LMAO

Second person in as many days, just happen to share the same name dude. Would be funny if it turned out we were related....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 13 Feb 2006, 17:29

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: How did you score Castillo-Mayweather - I scored the first fight 8-4 Floyd, its the biggest myth in boxing PBF lost this fight. JLC had the 2 biggest rounds of the fight but PBF won at least 7 rounds so I don't know how anyone can give it to JLC.

Not saying Hatton can't beat PBF and cause him problems but JLC never did mate.
I had Castillo winning a close fight over Mayweather. PBF was so negative and relied on flashy single shots that I'm not impressed by, whereas JLC kept chipping away. as for the rematch, I had PBF winning very closely - Castillo seemed right in the fight until the last couple of rds when Floyd put some juice in his right hand and discouraged JLC from coming in.

Ppl can go on about Mayweather's bad shoulder in the first fight, but wasn't Castillo weight drained and didn't he have a messed up ankle?
Castillo didnt land much in most rounds though (although a couple of rounds he WON BIG), PBF landed the far far cleaner shots round on round (the 1s your calling flashy - there called clean punches), I thought the second fight was closer on my card than the first fight. I scored it 8-4 - I think its only controversal because everyone saw the TV pundits scoring it incorrectly to Castillo and hence everyone takes that as the correct score

don't get me wrong, I can't even stand listening to those HBO salesmen. their Toney-Jirov commentary piissed me off so badly in particular. Castillo didn't land anything Hurtful in those two fights, due to Mayweather's defense. But he was landing a lot of the time, enough to score IMO. Castillo's problem was giving the first 3 rounds away, doing nothing in the early part of their 1st fight

Castillo's work is always quiet and underated, especially in an evenly matched fight with a fancy dan. Should a guy get more credit for being more flashy? Mayweather landed mostly single eyecatchig punches in the first fight. whereas Castillo kept on working. in the rematch Floyd was throwing light flicking punches, and Castillo was matching anything he did up to round 10. Floyd was so negative and unimpressive in both fights.

seems there are plenty of ppl who disagree with at least oe of the decisions - some feel that Castillo won the first; different ppl think the rematch was a draw. to me, those are a question mark on Mayweather's career. at the time many wished to overlook that, as Castillo wasn't highly regarded (even though he'd beaten Stevie Johnston AND Cesar Bazan in outright wars!)

to me JLC is the blemish on Pretty Boy, who never should've been handed the WBC lightweight title

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 13 Feb 2006, 19:45

viciousmaussa wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote: I had Castillo winning a close fight over Mayweather. PBF was so negative and relied on flashy single shots that I'm not impressed by, whereas JLC kept chipping away. as for the rematch, I had PBF winning very closely - Castillo seemed right in the fight until the last couple of rds when Floyd put some juice in his right hand and discouraged JLC from coming in.

Ppl can go on about Mayweather's bad shoulder in the first fight, but wasn't Castillo weight drained and didn't he have a messed up ankle?
Castillo didnt land much in most rounds though (although a couple of rounds he WON BIG), PBF landed the far far cleaner shots round on round (the 1s your calling flashy - there called clean punches), I thought the second fight was closer on my card than the first fight. I scored it 8-4 - I think its only controversal because everyone saw the TV pundits scoring it incorrectly to Castillo and hence everyone takes that as the correct score
don't get me wrong, I can't even stand listening to those HBO salesmen. their Toney-Jirov commentary piissed me off so badly in particular. Castillo didn't land anything Hurtful in those two fights, due to Mayweather's defense. But he was landing a lot of the time, enough to score IMO. Castillo's problem was giving the first 3 rounds away, doing nothing in the early part of their 1st fight

Castillo's work is always quiet and underated, especially in an evenly matched fight with a fancy dan. Should a guy get more credit for being more flashy? Mayweather landed mostly single eyecatchig punches in the first fight. whereas Castillo kept on working. in the rematch Floyd was throwing light flicking punches, and Castillo was matching anything he did up to round 10. Floyd was so negative and unimpressive in both fights.

seems there are plenty of ppl who disagree with at least oe of the decisions - some feel that Castillo won the first; different ppl think the rematch was a draw. to me, those are a question mark on Mayweather's career. at the time many wished to overlook that, as Castillo wasn't highly regarded (even though he'd beaten Stevie Johnston AND Cesar Bazan in outright wars!)

to me JLC is the blemish on Pretty Boy, who never should've been handed the WBC lightweight title

you are the first person i have encountered that thought floyd did not win the 2nd fight...and i live on the mexican border in a town loaded with RABID castillo fans!!! the rematch clearly settled any doubts!!!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Feb 2006, 05:45

shoutout2u wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Castillo didnt land much in most rounds though (although a couple of rounds he WON BIG), PBF landed the far far cleaner shots round on round (the 1s your calling flashy - there called clean punches), I thought the second fight was closer on my card than the first fight. I scored it 8-4 - I think its only controversal because everyone saw the TV pundits scoring it incorrectly to Castillo and hence everyone takes that as the correct score
don't get me wrong, I can't even stand listening to those HBO salesmen. their Toney-Jirov commentary piissed me off so badly in particular. Castillo didn't land anything Hurtful in those two fights, due to Mayweather's defense. But he was landing a lot of the time, enough to score IMO. Castillo's problem was giving the first 3 rounds away, doing nothing in the early part of their 1st fight

Castillo's work is always quiet and underated, especially in an evenly matched fight with a fancy dan. Should a guy get more credit for being more flashy? Mayweather landed mostly single eyecatchig punches in the first fight. whereas Castillo kept on working. in the rematch Floyd was throwing light flicking punches, and Castillo was matching anything he did up to round 10. Floyd was so negative and unimpressive in both fights.

seems there are plenty of ppl who disagree with at least oe of the decisions - some feel that Castillo won the first; different ppl think the rematch was a draw. to me, those are a question mark on Mayweather's career. at the time many wished to overlook that, as Castillo wasn't highly regarded (even though he'd beaten Stevie Johnston AND Cesar Bazan in outright wars!)

to me JLC is the blemish on Pretty Boy, who never should've been handed the WBC lightweight title
you are the first person i have encountered that thought floyd did not win the 2nd fight...and i live on the mexican border in a town loaded with RABID castillo fans!!! the rematch clearly settled any doubts!!!

no, I Do think Mayweather won the second fight, by no more than two points - I'm pointing out that one or two on maxboxing said it could've been even. I'm a rabid Castillo fan, but that was since his post Mayweather comeback, those cracking wins over Lazcano, Casamayor & Diaz won me over.

can't wait till he knocks Corrales out again. i reckon Arum will put Cotto in with Castillo - contrary to what a lot of ppl say - especially if he takes a lot of punishment vs Corrales. i doubt Hatton-Castillo ever happens

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Feb 2006, 05:47

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Just to point out in case you're one of those who mistake me for him, I'm not JimMcDonnell the former fighter and Danny Williams' current trainer. I'm the other less famous James McDonnell....thanks for the props in any case.
oh no, I could've sworn it was you who stopped Barry McGuigan on cuts

LMAO
Second person in as many days, just happen to share the same name dude. Would be funny if it turned out we were related....

i was joking, i know you're a writer not a fighter

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Feb 2006, 05:50

Oh right, just that I had a PM from someone last week, wanting to interview me about the upcoming Williams v Skelton fight, I thought they wanted an opinion until they started asking me how Danny's training was going.