How to beat GGG

[Kootenay47]

Let's see Canelo fight some of the guys Genna has already beaten . A Lemieux , Monroe or Stevens for example ..... oh wait those guys are real middleweights .... Canelo doesn't fight them

[IRLangmaid25]

If he goes up to Super Middleweight it will be someone like James DeGale or Callum Smith, someone who is tall and tangy, but more likely DeGale as he can switch hit.

[jezzamundo]

A back runner can't beat Golovkin, at least no a prime Golovkin, if we suppose that Golovkin is still in primer you need a Guy who fight him in the inside, Ward, Hopkins, could nullify him with wrestling and inside skills. Hagler could beat him in a war. Maybe a Prime Maravilla could give him a hard fight running in circles.

About Canelo, yeah he can fight in the inside but he is more a counter puncher than a offensive figther, we saw his problems against Mayweather or Lara. I think Golovkin will hand him like he did to Lemiuex, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, left hook. It is really a pitty that the middleweight division is so empty.

Good post, I agree, that's why I think GGG needs to eventually move up at fight some super middleweights in order to fulfill his potential.

[montrealsuper]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

[jezzamundo]

Certain people just dream of GGG getting beaten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgv3qHIgrBY

I'm not quite sure why you posted this - I actually agree with your assessment of Canelo's chances against GGG. I'm a big GGG fan and want to see him fulfill his potential and go down as an ATG, which means his team taking more challenging fights. I'd like to see him beat Canelo, unifty the belts and then move up to 168lb, but in the meanwhile, if a big fight at 168lb is possible - like the Chavez Jr fight that got cancelled - I think GGG's team should take it.

[jezzamundo]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

[ikorolev]

Certain people just dream of GGG getting beaten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgv3qHIgrBY

I'm not quite sure why you posted this - I actually agree with your assessment of Canelo's chances against GGG. I'm a big GGG fan and want to see him fulfill his potential and go down as an ATG, which means his team taking more challenging fights. I'd like to see him beat Canelo, unifty the belts and then move up to 168lb, but in the meanwhile, if a big fight at 168lb is possible - like the Chavez Jr fight that got cancelled - I think GGG's team should take it.

It actually contains some information to disprove some of your statements.

[montrealsuper]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

Hagler and Hopkins beat a lot of no names - and had rematches with no names. GGG is beating the same guys, the best available comp. Who do you want him to fight? Canelo and Floyd at 154 are terrified of GGG.

[Ken]

GGG is the No. 1 P4P boxer in the world. He won the IBF and the WBA and is interim WBC and IBO champion. WBO champ Saunders said he would not fight him and Alvarez is putting off the title fight with GGG until next year.

[gilgamesh]

Pressure, pressure, pressure and more pressure. And if that doesn't work....try pressuring him some more. That's the only way I can see anyone beating him. You absolutely have to back him up, if you can't you are very unlikely to get much of anything done in there, much less win.

[Nightmare Roy]

Certain people just dream of GGG getting beaten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgv3qHIgrBY

I don't understand the hate for the guy. He's great to watch and KOs people. Doesn't come across as a Mr Big Time and is always respectful of his opponents and when talking about any potential opponents. Active champion and wants to fight the other guys in the division. Nobody wants to fight him at his weight. Not his fault. He's not a big Middleweight so moving up isn't an option just now. Each to their own but I'm a big fan of the guy.

Agreed, what's not to like?

[jezzamundo]

Certain people just dream of GGG getting beaten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgv3qHIgrBY

I'm not quite sure why you posted this - I actually agree with your assessment of Canelo's chances against GGG. I'm a big GGG fan and want to see him fulfill his potential and go down as an ATG, which means his team taking more challenging fights. I'd like to see him beat Canelo, unifty the belts and then move up to 168lb, but in the meanwhile, if a big fight at 168lb is possible - like the Chavez Jr fight that got cancelled - I think GGG's team should take it.

It actually contains some information to disprove some of your statements.

I watched the video and mostly liked it, but I'm not sure which of my statements you're talking about that it supposedly disproves. As I've said before, I'm a big GGG fan, and I acknowledge that there are some out there who are being overly critical of him and his level of opposition. At the same time, there seems to be a group of his fans who are overly defensive of him and don't seem to want to see him challenged in competitive fights. Both groups frustrate me.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight.

I couldn't see GGG beating Ward at 168, Ward is too good for anyone to concede physical advantages to and still prevail. GGG regularly comes in under the MW limit, which indicates he's not a big man boiling down to make 160.

[ikorolev]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight.

I couldn't see GGG beating Ward at 168, Ward is too good for anyone to concede physical advantages to and still prevail. GGG regularly comes in under the MW limit, which indicates he's not a big man boiling down to make 160.

After spending a year at 175, it will not be an easy task for Ward to make 168, so a fight at 168 would be fair.

[jezzamundo]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight.

I couldn't see GGG beating Ward at 168, Ward is too good for anyone to concede physical advantages to and still prevail. GGG regularly comes in under the MW limit, which indicates he's not a big man boiling down to make 160.

It's not a ridiculous statement. 'If GGG isn't just as successful at SMW as he's been at MW and knock out Ward, DeGale and Ramirez then hes' not that great' - that would be a ridiculous statement, but it's not what I said. Considering how dominant he has been against B level opponents at 160lb, I think it would be ridiculous to suggest that another 8lb would be a bridge too far. I agree that not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight - I think Bob Foster is as good an example of this as any. However, I think GGG's skills, power and chin mean he wouldn't have much trouble with all but the very best fighters at super middleweight.

I used to favour Ward over GGG at 168lb, but I've since changed my mind, I think it's as close to a 50:50 fight as you can get.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight.

I couldn't see GGG beating Ward at 168, Ward is too good for anyone to concede physical advantages to and still prevail. GGG regularly comes in under the MW limit, which indicates he's not a big man boiling down to make 160.

It's not a ridiculous statement. 'If GGG isn't just as successful at SMW as he's been at MW and knock out Ward, DeGale and Ramirez then hes' not that great' - that would be a ridiculous statement, but it's not what I said. Considering how dominant he has been against B level opponents at 160lb, I think it would be ridiculous to suggest that another 8lb would be a bridge too far. I agree that not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight - I think Bob Foster is as good an example of this as any. However, I think GGG's skills, power and chin mean he wouldn't have much trouble with all but the very best fighters at super middleweight.

I used to favour Ward over GGG at 168lb, but I've since changed my mind, I think it's as close to a 50:50 fight as you can get.

Fair enough, in that case, not ridiculous as I first thought.

Would love to find out, I doubt Ward will move back down to 168 though, and 175 surely a too big gap for him to bridge.

[MachoTime]

Why didn't Hagler Hopkins and Monzon have to move up and prove they could beat 168ers for you? GGG is a normal sized MW and so he's staying put. Weighed in at 159 for Wade. He can make 154 for Floyd Chickenweather.

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight.

I couldn't see GGG beating Ward at 168, Ward is too good for anyone to concede physical advantages to and still prevail. GGG regularly comes in under the MW limit, which indicates he's not a big man boiling down to make 160.

That's exactly the point. A lot of past discussion on this board revolves around the success of other fighters who have moved up in the past and have found success. As if the same formula should apply to a fighter such as GGG. A concession probably could be made if GGG was willing to move up. So far he hasn't given any indication to move up. So no one should really expect GGG to move up. I'd compare GGG to Hagler. The wall at 160. Im happy with that..

[ikorolev]

The middleweight division was much stronger back then, so they didn't need to move up to achieve greatness. If GGG is truly great - which I think he is - then he will be good enough to overcome a size disadvantage and be successful at 168lb.

That's a ridiculous statement.

Not all fighters have the right attributes to move up and give away weight.

I couldn't see GGG beating Ward at 168, Ward is too good for anyone to concede physical advantages to and still prevail. GGG regularly comes in under the MW limit, which indicates he's not a big man boiling down to make 160.

That's exactly the point. A lot of past discussion on this board revolves around the success of other fighters who have moved up in the past and have found success. As if the same formula should apply to a fighter such as GGG. A concession probably could be made if GGG was willing to move up. So far he hasn't given any indication to move up. So no one should really expect GGG to move up. I'd compare GGG to Hagler. The wall at 160. Im happy with that..

Seriously ? He signed to fight with JCCJ a couple years ago and was actively pursuing Froch fight last year. Loefler talks about possibilities of facing DeGale, Rodriguez and again Chavez. Gennady just has unfinished business at 160. After he is done with it, he is moving up.

[jujigatame]

People really underestimate Canelo's chances. Canelo is very strong and durable and has some pretty decent offensive skills in his own right. Not to mention he's just entering his prime athletic years while GGG is already 34 years old. Every day that goes by gives Canelo a better shot.

What do you think Canelo's chances are at this point?

I know nobody agrees with me but I put them pretty close to 50/50, especially considering that judges seem to love him. If you know what I'm saying.

[ikorolev]

People really underestimate Canelo's chances. Canelo is very strong and durable and has some pretty decent offensive skills in his own right. Not to mention he's just entering his prime athletic years while GGG is already 34 years old. Every day that goes by gives Canelo a better shot.

What do you think Canelo's chances are at this point?

I know nobody agrees with me but I put them pretty close to 50/50, especially considering that judges seem to love him. If you know what I'm saying.

If it came to a decision, it would be a robbery. However, there is no way both of them can survive 12 rounds.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I make Canelo big favourite, he's much the stronger man, and Khan just isn't slick enough. Khan starts well, then from the 5th on, starts getting caught, before a late rounds KO. Cotto is a lot tougher than Khan.

[SteveDow]

I hope the WBC do actually follow through with their threat to relieve Canelo of the belt if he doesn't fight GGG after (assuming he does) beating Khan.

Once GGG has the WBC belt then all he needs to do is get the Saunders fight (Loffler said he's happy to go to England) and win which would be a formality in my view and then he's unified champion.

Presuming he then cannot get a fight with either Canelo or Mayweather, I would then move up and fight the likes of Degale and Ward.

[brilo33]

you would need serious power to beat him or a granite chin and pressure him , dont see how speed can beat him, he will walk you down and ko . i think carl froch like boxer could beat him. think the saul will be a good fight his toughest test,but see triple g stopping him

[MachoTime]

GGG has a bad day. Or didn't train right.

[ikorolev]

GGG ... didn't train right.

Or sun won't rise.