GGG's Opposition - Good, bad or average?

[klitoris]

Current and former champions that GGG has beaten

Kassim Ouma - Former IBF Super Welterweight Champion
Golovkin the only fighter to stop Ouma (TKO 10) (Ouma has another TKO due to the 3 KD rule, which I don't count as a stoppage)

Nobuhiro Ishida - Former interim WBA Super Welterweight Champion
Golovkin is the only fighter to stop Ishida (KO3)

Daniel Geale - Former WBA Super and IBF Super Middleweight Champion

Marco Antonio Rubio - WBC Interim Middleweight Champion

Martin Murray - Former interim WBA World Middleweight Champion
Golovkin remains the only person to stop Murray (TKO11)

David Lemieux - IBF Middleweight Champion


Good fighters GGG has beaten

Grzegorz Proksa - Before fighting GGG, Proksa was 28-1 with his one loss avenged.

Gabriel Rosado - Tough fighter, before fighting GGG was on a 7 fight winning streak

Mathew Macklin - Good contender, who knocked down Matinez before losing later in that fight.

Osumanu Adama - Good contender who only lost by stoppage to GGG.

Willie Monroe Jr - Winner of Boxcino Middleweight tournament. Got his only stoppage loss by TKO from GGG.

Dominic Wade - Undefeated contender. KTFO by GGG in 2.


What do you think?

[Horse]

Good by what standard?

He's got a world class record and it's also enough to put him in the top 10 P4P rankings, so it's good on that level.

When it comes to earning P4P No. 1 or ATG status, then it's pretty bad.

[Bard of Boxrec]

I picked average, because I don't think there's too much difference between his competition and a comparable longstanding 'recognised' champ, or guy who would go on to be recognised as the champ, like Hopkins or Calzaghe at the same stage of their records. The first 15 or so defences for Bernard Hopkins were mostly underwhelming except Glen Johnson. Calzaghe's first 15 or so defences were better quality than Bernard's on average, and probably also better than GGG's first few over the same sample. But Calzaghe stepped up vs Kessler and Bernard vs Trinidad so eventually they got their 'marquee' wins at the weight, something GGG is still waiting for.

But then you have the argument that GGG's age means he should be getting a move on, hard to see how though when there's noone out there for him.

On an absolute scale his opposition probably isn't so good but the depth of the division is clearly a big factor.

[tigermoth87]

Better than his haters give credit for, not as good as his biggest fan boys claim.

He's beat some names who would look decent on anybodies resume but lacks the big, major wins over genuine elite level fighters. Through no fault of his own though considering the next best 4 in the division, Alvarez, Billy Joe, Eubank and Jacobs want absolutely nothing to do with the guy.

It's also better than many other fighters. Thurman for example has a record nowhere near as good as GGG but gets a free pass from most. Likewise Terrence Crawford and his carousel of poor fights yet gets a free pass. Russell Jr had people on here trying to defend his decision to fight Hyland... and GGG has yet to stoop that low in his title defences yet.

He's at least tried to fight decent contenders and the best available/willing. Which is more than can be said for fighters like Russell Jr facing off against a guy ranked #130 in the world or Joshua picking Breazeale who was gifted a decision in his last fight.

[dempseyfire]

Average for the past decade or so. Historically it's awful.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Clearly average, some people try to downgrade it too much but GGG is ranked on the eye test and his willingness to face anyone. His resume is so so.

[brilo33]

his opposition look average because his is top quality,and ruins fighters with winning records

[Rexob]

Very average.

[jas80s]

His record is perfectly fine, but hardly exceptional. It's a solid resume and frankly anyone who puts it too far on either side is probably doing everything they can to spin the evidence one way or the other.

It's not his fault really that he is too good to be tested by decent to very good fighters. This guy will only be tested by someone pretty exceptional. But, his obvious talent does not automatically mean that his ledger somehow becomes better. It's a solid record, but most better resumes include at least a couple of fights that represent significant danger, that is still missing.

Incidentally, THAT is why people want him to move up, not because they want to see him knocked out.

[ikorolev]

Incidentally, THAT is why people want him to move up, not because they want to see him knocked out.

So, how is adding DeGale and Ramirez to his resume better than adding Canelo and Saunders ?

[Tanzio]

Incidentally, THAT is why people want him to move up, not because they want to see him knocked out.

So, how is adding DeGale and Ramirez to his resume better than adding Canelo and Saunders ?

I question the sincerity of your query.

Obviously, clearing out the weight class north of him would be more consequential for his resume than putting a couple of terrified no hopers to sleep, although taking out all of the above would be preferable.

[Cent0089]

something between good and average

[ikorolev]

... and why exactly do we need to put a one-word label on Golovkin's opposition ?

[Horse]

I question the sincerity of your query.

Obviously, clearing out the weight class north of him would be more consequential for his resume than putting a couple of terrified no hopers to sleep, although taking out all of the above would be preferable.

I disagree.

Becoming the true, dominant and undisputed middleweight champion is bigger than moving up and fighting a couple of noob champs.

[Tanzio]

I question the sincerity of your query.

Obviously, clearing out the weight class north of him would be more consequential for his resume than putting a couple of terrified no hopers to sleep, although taking out all of the above would be preferable.

I disagree.

Becoming the true, dominant and undisputed middleweight champion is bigger than moving up and fighting a couple of noob champs.

As opposed to fighting a couple of noobs in your own div? Yeah, we disagree. Basically the difference between shooting fish in a barrel and bow hunting wild boar.

If they won't fight it is moot

[Horse]

As opposed to fighting a couple of noobs in your own div? Yeah, we disagree. Basically the difference between shooting fish in a barrel and bow hunting wild boar.

If they won't fight it is moot

I despise weight jumpers.

Golovkin should clear out his own weight division and invite all of the best fighters from the weight below to have a go before moving up.

[Tanzio]

As opposed to fighting a couple of noobs in your own div? Yeah, we disagree. Basically the difference between shooting fish in a barrel and bow hunting wild boar.

If they won't fight it is moot

I despise weight jumpers.

Golovkin should clear out his own weight division and invite all of the best fighters from the weight below to have a go before moving up.

Great boxers can do both.

3G has effectively cleared out the MW Div. Saunders, GingerHead and Jacobs are not lining up at the door.

So, boxers who jump up are despicable to you but those who lure smaller people up are ok? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Horse]

Great boxers can do both.

3G has effectively cleared out the MW Div. Saunders, GingerHead and Jacobs are not lining up at the door.

Golovkin has not cleaned out the division at all.

There is nothing particularly exciting at super middleweight since Froch retired, so why bother moving up now?

So, boxers who jump up are despicable to you but those who lure smaller people up are ok? Doesn't make sense to me.

If they are willing to fight the best at their weight, in addition to fighting the best from below, then that is the best way to dominate a division.

[greg]

..I'd say average, average +..I believe once he picks up that belt from Canelo, his team should rethink the strategy making a couple of tough decisions to get him the top guys either north or south of his division..

[brilo33]

As opposed to fighting a couple of noobs in your own div? Yeah, we disagree. Basically the difference between shooting fish in a barrel and bow hunting wild boar.

If they won't fight it is moot

I despise weight jumpers.

Golovkin should clear out his own weight division and invite all of the best fighters from the weight below to have a go before moving up.

but how can he if they wont fight him,

[brilo33]

As opposed to fighting a couple of noobs in your own div? Yeah, we disagree. Basically the difference between shooting fish in a barrel and bow hunting wild boar.

If they won't fight it is moot

I despise weight jumpers.

Golovkin should clear out his own weight division and invite all of the best fighters from the weight below to have a go before moving up.

but how can he if they wont fight him,

does any one think ggg would duck any middle weight who?

[Horse]

but how can he if they wont fight him,

If Alvarez refuses to fight Golovkin after the Khan fight then he will lose his belt and be forced to flee back to light middleweight (assuming that he actually beats Khan of course).

I'm not saying that he should wait forever for Alvarez, Saunders, Jacobs etc., but he should try to fight them all before he leaves as well as Lara, Cotto, the Charlos etc. from the division below.

What's the rush to move up to super middleweight? There's nothing special for him there.

If absolutely everyone refuses to fight him then he should move up next year, but if some of the best are willing to fight him at that stage then he should fight them beforehand.

Lara seems to want it, so he should at least fight him before the move up.

[brilo33]

but how can he if they wont fight him,

If Alvarez refuses to fight Golovkin after the Khan fight then he will lose his belt and be forced to flee back to light middleweight (assuming that he actually beats Khan of course).

I'm not saying that he should wait forever for Alvarez, Saunders, Jacobs etc., but he should try to fight them all before he leaves as well as Lara, Cotto, the Charlos etc. from the division below.

What's the rush to move up to super middleweight? There's nothing special for him there.

If absolutely everyone refuses to fight him then he should move up next year, but if some of the best are willing to fight him at that stage then he should fight them beforehand.

Lara seems to want it, so he should at least fight him before the move up.

i think triple g is in his real only weight, i think he is small moving up to super, saying that think he would beat degale,jack, not sure about smith.i dont think ggg would beat ward at light heavyweight or kovalev

[Horse]

i think triple g is in his real only weight, i think he is small moving up to super, saying that think he would beat degale,jack, not sure about smith.i dont think ggg would beat ward at light heavyweight or kovalev

He's best off staying at his true weight and dominating.

Weight jumping would be a desperation move for him.

He should avoid it if possible.

[Tanzio]

Great boxers can do both.

3G has effectively cleared out the MW Div. Saunders, GingerHead and Jacobs are not lining up at the door.

Golovkin has not cleaned out the division at all.

There is nothing particularly exciting at super middleweight since Froch retired, so why bother moving up now?

So, boxers who jump up are despicable to you but those who lure smaller people up are ok? Doesn't make sense to me.

If they are willing to fight the best at their weight, in addition to fighting the best from below, then that is the best way to dominate a division.

It wouldn't be like RJJ moving up to HW and back (which I still believe was his undoing). He could do both, if he is as great as most of us believe he is. He doesn't have to weighin at 168.

Also, I rate DeGale and Ramirez and Super MW in general as a decent, legit challenge for 3G. I have no problem with him staying exclusive to MW though.