Your Unbiased Opinion on GGG's Career...

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We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?
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He'd be the bee's knees.
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He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.
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Promising but needs to beat everyone it takes to be up there which is stalling right now.
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A potential ATG, but needs to make some moves to the higher divisions to test himself against the best. There's no doubting GGG has the goods, but his competition so far in his professional has little to be desired and alot of the criticism on his current resume is warranted IMO.
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could be fighting better people but on the other hand i believe if he did get the fights people say he is avoiding i think he would beat them all :clap: :box:

ggg is a great fighter and has a very high ring IQ and many fighters know this
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caldo2025 wrote:We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?
Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.
Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.
Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.
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golovkin would KO slappin soggy at any weight put him in a coma
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I think he's great, it's a shame he had to come around in the lamest era ever. He hasn't had the opposition to rate high historically, though not even coming close to losing helps his cause. When people say the opposition isn't Wlad's fault, they're right, but he lost to several of them. That's quite damaging historically, hopefully GGG gets Canelo.
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He's the cat's pajamas.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think he's great, it's a shame he had to come around in the lamest era ever. He hasn't had the opposition to rate high historically, though not even coming close to losing helps his cause. When people say the opposition isn't Wlad's fault, they're right, but he lost to several of them. That's quite damaging historically, hopefully GGG gets Canelo.
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He is ducking Wlad.
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good career so far, nthing by kos and wins, cant argue that. but 34 is near the end, only 3-4 top years left. he needs better opponents asap.
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Chepppaaa wrote:good career so far, nthing by kos and wins, cant argue that. but 34 is near the end, only 3-4 top years left. he needs better opponents asap.
3-4 years is 9-12 fights for Golovkin, so Joshua and Fury should be worrying. Gennady is coming :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ikorolev wrote:
Chepppaaa wrote:good career so far, nthing by kos and wins, cant argue that. but 34 is near the end, only 3-4 top years left. he needs better opponents asap.
3-4 years is 9-12 fights for Golovkin, so Joshua and Fury should be worrying. Gennady is coming :lol: :lol: :lol:
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He's one of the best punchers in the history of the division, and quite possibly one of the most durable too. While he hasn't faced the best competition, he has beaten a good amount of top ten contender types and won with ease. His skills are good, and he projects the type of aggression and intensity comparable to Mike Tyson. I think that is the general consensus.

This suggests he's elite because even the very best @160 in Monzon and Hagler sometimes had their hands full with GGG level opponents.

It would be best for boxing if Canelo fights him soon.
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pound per pound wrote: This suggests he's elite because even the very best @160 in Monzon and Hagler sometimes had their hands full with GGG level opponents.
Those 3 shameless duckers, Monzon, Hagler and GGG :lol:
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GGG can't wait on the big names forever. Sergio would have fought him, but whatever.

GGG should be making some good bucks in PBC fighting Lara and Jacobs.

But whatever, a huge audience wants to see GGG VS Wade apparently ... :roll:
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One of the few fighters I will watch regardless of his opponent and as a natural middle would like to see him stay there, although the defining fights need to start coming thick and fast if he really wants to sit amongst the greats of the division
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Oh and for some reason I would really like to see GGG and Eubank jnr cross swords at some point
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littlepug wrote:Oh and for some reason I would really like to see GGG and Eubank jnr cross swords at some point
Eubank seem to be the most deserving after Canelo, Saunders and Jacobs.
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I don't think there are enough big fights at middleweight for him to be classed as having any more than good career if he stays put. If he's talking about Brook (as mentioned on sky) this shows there isn't much left for him to do. I think he has to step up for a couple of the bigger fights at SM fairly soon. A good showing there and retiring a two weight champ for do far more for how he's viewed.
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jezzamundo wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?
Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.
Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.
Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.
What do you think the middleweight division would look like if GGG never existed though? Would be people be calling it the worst division in boxing? Would they be saying that whomever was the lineal champion was unlucky because he reigned in an era that void of premium middleweights? I don't think so. I personally think that GGG would be doing this to ANY middleweight in their prime. I'm completely serious. To be doing what he's doing in this era to me is way more difficult than doing it in previous era's.

Think about it. Not to mention the fact that PEDS are everywhere, the boxing IQ is so much better than it was even 20 years ago. In two seconds athletes can get any statistic they want about their opponent. They weight loss is handled scientifically and their training camps are run so discipled that they are peaking on fight night. In two seconds they can pull up video's of every fight their opponent has been in. Boxers used to just have one trainer and a cut man. Now they have a team of specialists.

I think that middleweight division is just as tough as it's always been. GGG is just THAT much better than everyone that it makes it look like it's light. IMO, GGG fights any middleweight prior to now tomorrow and he knocks him out. Yes, Marvin too.
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caldo2025 wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?
Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.
Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.
Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.
What do you think the middleweight division would look like if GGG never existed though? Would be people be calling it the worst division in boxing? Would they be saying that whomever was the lineal champion was unlucky because he reigned in an era that void of premium middleweights? I don't think so. I personally think that GGG would be doing this to ANY middleweight in their prime. I'm completely serious. To be doing what he's doing in this era to me is way more difficult than doing it in previous era's.

Think about it. Not to mention the fact that PEDS are everywhere, the boxing IQ is so much better than it was even 20 years ago. In two seconds athletes can get any statistic they want about their opponent. They weight loss is handled scientifically and their training camps are run so discipled that they are peaking on fight night. In two seconds they can pull up video's of every fight their opponent has been in. Boxers used to just have one trainer and a cut man. Now they have a team of specialists.

I think that middleweight division is just as tough as it's always been. GGG is just THAT much better than everyone that it makes it look like it's light. IMO, GGG fights any middleweight prior to now tomorrow and he knocks him out. Yes, Marvin too. The division is not light, they just happen to be fighting in a division with the best middleweight boxer in the history of boxing. Period.
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caldo2025 wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:
Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.



Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.
What do you think the middleweight division would look like if GGG never existed though? Would be people be calling it the worst division in boxing? Would they be saying that whomever was the lineal champion was unlucky because he reigned in an era that void of premium middleweights? I don't think so. I personally think that GGG would be doing this to ANY middleweight in their prime. I'm completely serious. To be doing what he's doing in this era to me is way more difficult than doing it in previous era's.

Think about it. Not to mention the fact that PEDS are everywhere, the boxing IQ is so much better than it was even 20 years ago. In two seconds athletes can get any statistic they want about their opponent. They weight loss is handled scientifically and their training camps are run so discipled that they are peaking on fight night. In two seconds they can pull up video's of every fight their opponent has been in. Boxers used to just have one trainer and a cut man. Now they have a team of specialists.

I think that middleweight division is just as tough as it's always been. GGG is just THAT much better than everyone that it makes it look like it's light. IMO, GGG fights any middleweight prior to now tomorrow and he knocks him out. Yes, Marvin too. The division is not light, they just happen to be fighting in a division with the best middleweight boxer in the history of boxing. Period.

Wow. Some pretty strong statements, and based on what? I am a huge GGG fan, and think he is under-rated a lot for his ring IQ, cutting off the ring, footwork, he just does a lot of great things in the ring. He does seem to get hit more than I would like to see, but no one has made him respect their power yet it seems. GGG needs a few big names to solidify his legacy. He needs to go after Lara, and KO that kind of style. He seems reluctant though. I honestly think Andrade would cause him more problems than Lara, but just my opinion.

Saying he would KO any middleweight, of any era, and is the GOAT? You must be smokin some good sheet man. :OhYes:
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