Ortiz quits again!

[Kalan]

His fights are fun, can't say that about many current fighters. He'll fight anyone and I enjoy watching him lose. Get him in there with Rios.

Ortiz fights are NOT fun... He's not skillful or great to watch.. He's so damned unprofessional he brings disrepute on the sport.. Quits against Maidana after scoring 3 knockdowns... Kisses up to Mayweather after brutally head-butting him in the face.. Dives for the canvas vs Collazo.. Smiling and cheerful after getting knocked out by Berto -- who had 4 losses in his previous 7 fights... Then he interrupts Berto's TV interview like an oaf with 2 left feet and a cabbage for a brain.

The really silly thing is Berto will get a shot at Danny Garcia for beating this clown... When the Title Fight should go to somebody like Errol Spence.

[foxdog1923]

There's punch drunk then there's punch the jack outta the box and that's what Ortiz is mentally suffering from with all those knocks.

[Tony1244]

We just disagree on it being "a cheap shot." I don't think it was a cheap shot at all. You're either boxing or you're not boxing. There is no room for chit chat and hugs during time in.

here is my criteria. many great champions
in boxing history would intentionally not
have done that. there is that famous fight
of ali who told the ref to stop the fight,
cause he didn't want to hit the fellow any
further. no way he does what floyd did
despite being fouled.

and if floyd was not the tremendous boxer
he is, this would have been way more widely
condemned.

what you are basically saying is that everything
that is legal cannot be cheap and i disagree.

Ali can be commended for giving up his title, because he never would have been sent to actually fight the Vietcong anyway. But I wouldn't necessarily make him a hero for asking the ref to stop the fight against Ron Lyle. The result was an Ali win by TKO, of course.

Sports is mental as well as physical. This is a philosophical discussion and my philosophy on this is sports strategy relies on deception. In boxing you fake a punch, in American football you fake a handoff. If a fighter tells his opponent his shoelaces are untied and the poor fool looks and gets nailed, well the guy just wasn't using his brains. If Mayweather did that in light sparring, that would be a different story. But in a serious fight, you have to use your brain as well as your body. And as others pointed out Ortiz was no angel here. Ortiz was head butting like Bobo Brazil. The bottom line to me was Ortiz wanted to extend the timeout, and only refs, or the ring doctor can call time out.

[man]

Sports is mental as well as physical. This is a philosophical discussion and my philosophy on this is sports strategy relies on deception. In boxing you fake a punch, in American football you fake a handoff. If a fighter tells his opponent his shoelaces are untied and the poor fool looks and gets nailed, well the guy just wasn't using his brains. If Mayweather did that in light sparring, that would be a different story. But in a serious fight, you have to use your brain as well as your body. And as others pointed out Ortiz was no angel here. Ortiz was head butting like Bobo Brazil. The bottom line to me was Ortiz wanted to extend the timeout, and only refs, or the ring doctor can call time out.

ortiz made a foul during the tension of
fighting and got a point deducted as he
should have. mayweather landed a left
hook and a straight right hand on a
relaxed, defenceless opponent. within
the rules executed by some funny off-
balance old referee, who didn't even see
what happened because at the moment
the fight should continue he looks at
something elsewhere.

but you know what? i get it. took some
time for me to learn there are intelligent
people with no moral, ethical or whatever-
you-want-to-call-it backbone whatsoever.

it still shocks me somewhat to be honest
and i sense i prefer people cut from different
cloth around me. excuse what this man did,
vote for ted cruz or that other republican
hypocrite. i know you didn't say that, but to
me all these things have a common theme.

"the end justifies the means."

no, sir. it doesn't.

[gilgamesh]

Floyd had every right to knock out Ortiz the way he did. Ortiz had just headbutted him in the mouth. I'm not trying to be your buddy after you just headbutted me in the mouth either. If you give me a chance to drop you with your hands down after you just headbutted me, that doesn't make me a cheater. That makes you a dumbass who deserves what he got.

[Tony1244]

Sports is mental as well as physical. This is a philosophical discussion and my philosophy on this is sports strategy relies on deception. In boxing you fake a punch, in American football you fake a handoff. If a fighter tells his opponent his shoelaces are untied and the poor fool looks and gets nailed, well the guy just wasn't using his brains. If Mayweather did that in light sparring, that would be a different story. But in a serious fight, you have to use your brain as well as your body. And as others pointed out Ortiz was no angel here. Ortiz was head butting like Bobo Brazil. The bottom line to me was Ortiz wanted to extend the timeout, and only refs, or the ring doctor can call time out.

ortiz made a foul during the tension of
fighting and got a point deducted as he
should have. mayweather landed a left
hook and a straight right hand on a
relaxed, defenceless opponent. within
the rules executed by some funny off-
balance old referee, who didn't even see
what happened because at the moment
the fight should continue he looks at
something elsewhere.

but you know what? i get it. took some
time for me to learn there are intelligent
people with no moral, ethical or whatever-
you-want-to-call-it backbone whatsoever.

it still shocks me somewhat to be honest
and i sense i prefer people cut from different
cloth around me. excuse what this man did,
vote for ted cruz or that other republican
hypocrite. i know you didn't say that, but to
me all these things have a common theme.

"the end justifies the means."

no, sir. it doesn't.

So basically what you're saying is anytime a fighter wants a time out and hugs his opponent's forearms like a teenage girl, his opponent should grant him more time? Maybe we're having a language barrier, but if we're not, I have no idea why you would even watch a sport as violent as boxing.

You're "common themes" are all wrong. I'm left of center and loath Ted Cruz.

So if you were in a real title fight and your opponent blinked, let's say because of a camera flash, you'd wait until he was ready? Wow.

[man]

So basically what you're saying is anytime a fighter wants a time out and hugs his opponent's forearms like a teenage girl, his opponent should grant him more time? Maybe we're having a language barrier, but if we're not, I have no idea why you would even watch a sport as violent as boxing.

You're "common themes" are all wrong. I'm left of center and loath Ted Cruz.

i am not defending anything that ortiz
did. not the head butt and not the
excessive hugging.

still.

[Tony1244]

So basically what you're saying is anytime a fighter wants a time out and hugs his opponent's forearms like a teenage girl, his opponent should grant him more time? Maybe we're having a language barrier, but if we're not, I have no idea why you would even watch a sport as violent as boxing.

You're "common themes" are all wrong. I'm left of center and loath Ted Cruz.

i am not defending anything that ortiz
did. not the head butt and not the
excessive hugging.

still.

I added this tidbit. Feel free to correct it if it's incorrect: So if you were in a real title fight and your opponent blinked, let's say because of a camera flash, you'd wait until he was ready? Wow.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

His fights are fun, can't say that about many current fighters. He'll fight anyone and I enjoy watching him lose. Get him in there with Rios.

Ortiz fights are NOT fun... He's not skillful or great to watch.. He's so damned unprofessional he brings disrepute on the sport.. Quits against Maidana after scoring 3 knockdowns... Kisses up to Mayweather after brutally head-butting him in the face.. Dives for the canvas vs Collazo.. Smiling and cheerful after getting knocked out by Berto -- who had 4 losses in his previous 7 fights... Then he interrupts Berto's TV interview like an oaf with 2 left feet and a cabbage for a brain.

The really silly thing is Berto will get a shot at Danny Garcia for beating this clown... When the Title Fight should go to somebody like Errol Spence.

Don't watch them.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

More justified by the reprehensible behavior of his opponent.

we pretty obviously have very different
criteria, since yours see punching a man
in the face who is standing with his
hands down and looking the other way
literally as showing "tremendous restraint
and class".

which is quite ... amazing. i assume that
makes beating his women a true sign of
distinguished courtship.

That's a nice generalization. Whatever floats your boat.

[man]

I added this tidbit. Feel free to correct it if it's incorrect: So if you were in a real title fight and your opponent blinked, let's say because of a camera flash, you'd wait until he was ready? Wow.

good point. no i wouldn't. but
then again i don't think that is
a fair comparison.

[man]

More justified by the reprehensible behavior of his opponent.

we pretty obviously have very different
criteria, since yours see punching a man
in the face who is standing with his
hands down and looking the other way
literally as showing "tremendous restraint
and class".

which is quite ... amazing. i assume that
makes beating his women a true sign of
distinguished courtship.

That's a nice generalization. Whatever floats your boat.

isn't it? took me half day to come
up with it and polish the phrasing.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

we pretty obviously have very different
criteria, since yours see punching a man
in the face who is standing with his
hands down and looking the other way
literally as showing "tremendous restraint
and class".

which is quite ... amazing. i assume that
makes beating his women a true sign of
distinguished courtship.

That's a nice generalization. Whatever floats your boat.

isn't it? took me half day to come
up with it and polish the phrasing.

Good for you. I guess I should be looking up some videos of woman abuse to cheer on.

[man]

Good for you. I guess I should be looking up some videos of woman abuse to cheer on.

so glad you bring this up yourself.
i thought it would be crossing the
line if i had proposed it.

[Tony1244]

I added this tidbit. Feel free to correct it if it's incorrect: So if you were in a real title fight and your opponent blinked, let's say because of a camera flash, you'd wait until he was ready? Wow.

good point. no i wouldn't. but
then again i don't think that is
a fair comparison.

Is it a good point or an unfair comparison? I don't see how it could be both. Really don't see what the very serious wife abuse allegations or Ted Cruz has to do with your defending Ortiz's right to extend a time out. If Ortiz wants to hug and talk he should do it on his own time.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Good for you. I guess I should be looking up some videos of woman abuse to cheer on.

so glad you bring this up yourself.
i thought it would be crossing the
line if i had proposed it.

You already did.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I added this tidbit. Feel free to correct it if it's incorrect: So if you were in a real title fight and your opponent blinked, let's say because of a camera flash, you'd wait until he was ready? Wow.

good point. no i wouldn't. but
then again i don't think that is
a fair comparison.

Is it a good point or an unfair comparison? I don't see how it could be both. Really don't see what the very serious wife abuse allegations or Ted Cruz has to do with your defending Ortiz's right to extend a time out. If Ortiz wants to hug and talk he should do it on his own time.

I voted for Cruz, in typical liberal fashion that means I'm a terrible person that condones the abuse of females, hates gays, kicks puppies and ruins the world.

[Tony1244]

good point. no i wouldn't. but
then again i don't think that is
a fair comparison.

Is it a good point or an unfair comparison? I don't see how it could be both. Really don't see what the very serious wife abuse allegations or Ted Cruz has to do with your defending Ortiz's right to extend a time out. If Ortiz wants to hug and talk he should do it on his own time.

I voted for Cruz, in typical liberal fashion that means I'm a terrible person that condones the abuse of females, hates gays, kicks puppies and ruins the world.

Well of course.

I said I hate Ted Cruz but that's not really true because you have to know him to hate him. To paraphrase something I read, it's really ridiculous that people are saying Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Some people liked the Zodiac killer. Trump is going to kick Cruz's booty tonight, I'll enjoy that with some white wine.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Is it a good point or an unfair comparison? I don't see how it could be both. Really don't see what the very serious wife abuse allegations or Ted Cruz has to do with your defending Ortiz's right to extend a time out. If Ortiz wants to hug and talk he should do it on his own time.

I voted for Cruz, in typical liberal fashion that means I'm a terrible person that condones the abuse of females, hates gays, kicks puppies and ruins the world.

Well of course.

I said I hate Ted Cruz but that's not really true because you have to know him to hate him. To paraphrase something I read, it's really ridiculous that people are saying Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Some people liked the Zodiac killer. Trump is going to kick Cruz's booty tonight, I'll enjoy that with some white wine.

I voted for whom I think would best represent our country and myself. Anybody else has different views, more power to them.

[Tony1244]

I voted for Cruz, in typical liberal fashion that means I'm a terrible person that condones the abuse of females, hates gays, kicks puppies and ruins the world.

Well of course.

I said I hate Ted Cruz but that's not really true because you have to know him to hate him. To paraphrase something I read, it's really ridiculous that people are saying Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Some people liked the Zodiac killer. Trump is going to kick Cruz's booty tonight, I'll enjoy that with some white wine.

I voted for whom I think would best represent our country and myself. Anybody else has different views, more power to them.

I'm not going to get anymore annoyed with someone who votes differently than I do than I would with someone who says all American fighters suck. I'm quite green on the environment and am liberal on most cultural issues, so Cruz would never be my candidate. It's all (politics and sports) entertainment to me on some level.

Cruz, Sanders, and Kasich are all pretty much out of it at this point. It's Cruz's last stand tonight. Yes, we're a little off topic.

[man]

I voted for whom I think would best represent our country and myself. Anybody else has different views, more power to them.

credit to you for making a private
and pretty unpopular position public.
i was unaware that cruz could attract
intelligent voters and i cannot recall
a single politician so widely despised.

i mean these are all american officials,
they are used to quite something i
guess and to make a prominent figure
like boehner (whatever one might think
of him) to come out like he did takes
quite something.

lindsay graham phrased it correctly
IMO when he said that the election is
lost and what is at stake is the status
and future of the party thereafter.

the GOP first allowed the christian right
and then the tea party to take over and
by doing so substantially hurt the honest
and intelligent basis of their organisation.

they are right now a joke and a dumb
and dangerous one. they make fools
out of themselves by their ridiculous
stance on climate change and this letter
to iran. not mentioning the government
shut down. what a bunch of irresponsible
hypocrites.

[man]

I voted for Cruz, in typical liberal fashion that means I'm a terrible person that condones the abuse of females, hates gays, kicks puppies and ruins the world.

no. it doesn't. it probably indicates
something more complex. and you
are right, liberals indeed do that
very thing of throwing all kinds of
mud on their opponents. i for one
for example believe that the whole
issue on violence on trump rallies
is totally misrepresented by liberal
media. people who go into a crowd
of thousands of amped up people
will get into trouble if they start
provoking that crowd. in my view
at least some of what happened was
very much intended to cause a
reaction that then would make
headlines.

this should have been pointed out
more widely by the media and it
wasn't. it is a challenge to be fair to
the other side and always will be.

[man]

Good for you. I guess I should be looking up some videos of woman abuse to cheer on.

so glad you bring this up yourself.
i thought it would be crossing the
line if i had proposed it.

You already did.

i apologise. i had a bad day and
needed to take some anger out
on someone and apparently you
got it in the way.

awaiting your revenge.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Well of course.

I said I hate Ted Cruz but that's not really true because you have to know him to hate him. To paraphrase something I read, it's really ridiculous that people are saying Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. Some people liked the Zodiac killer. Trump is going to kick Cruz's booty tonight, I'll enjoy that with some white wine.

I voted for whom I think would best represent our country and myself. Anybody else has different views, more power to them.

I'm not going to get anymore annoyed with someone who votes differently than I do than I would with someone who says all American fighters suck. I'm quite green on the environment and am liberal on most cultural issues, so Cruz would never be my candidate. It's all (politics and sports) entertainment to me on some level.

Cruz, Sanders, and Kasich are all pretty much out of it at this point. It's Cruz's last stand tonight. Yes, we're a little off topic.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

so glad you bring this up yourself.
i thought it would be crossing the
line if i had proposed it.

You already did.

i apologise. i had a bad day and
needed to take some anger out
on someone and apparently you
got it in the way.

awaiting your revenge.

Too busy, man, all well and good.