why can't Britain get behind Tyson/team fury???

[Cyclops]

On and on this goes. He wasn't very popular before he won the title and hadn't had any big fights. No casuals were that interested because it wasn't that well promoted and nobody particularly cares about Wladamir either. People turned out in their droves to watch the Haye fight and Wladamir was incredibly boring. That's pretty much mainstream Britain's exposure to him, so nobody stays in to watch him when he's on apart from people who post on here. When Fury won it went under the radar because it wasn't a big event in the first place, not to the UK public anyway.

After he won it should have been a building period but instead he made stupid f*cking comments about gays and women which of course got picked up and published straight away. What a way to squander any good will. It's funny but when I was a kid it was alright to be blatantly homophobic and sexist but it seems that the country has moved on and think, actually, we should be fair to people and, actually, that means we've progressed and how is that a bad thing? That British people appear to think it's wrong to pick on people? The 6'9" fighting man heavyweight champion of the works cries into his pillow every night because the Guardian doesn't like him? His 20 stone eye gouging bare knuckle fighting dad feels picked on? Boo hoo! What a bunch of bullies the Brits are! All the moaning... You can see why the nation hasn't taken him to their hearts.

But it's nowhere near as bad as people make out. Plenty of people still like him. Amongst people who know boxing, Fury is rightly considered the champion and Joshua (seeing as those who indignantly defend Fury can't avoid mentioning him) just a trinket holder. Even the broadsheets that don't particularly like Fury can't mention Joshua without Fury. Fury is actually quite often in the papers. He's a household name. He's got a platform. He could make people like him. He can be charming. He can be funny. He doesn't care though, so why should you? Watch on July 9th and see his support then. I guarantee the atmosphere will be crazy, and so pro Fury Wladamir is going to look like Michael Spinks going into the ring.

I think some posters just like an excuse to say that the Limeys are a bunch of fag loving pussies that can't handle a real man, what a disgrace etc.

It is what it is, as Fury is fond of saying.

[Taki...]

Haha quoting Fred Durst, chocolate starfish, are we back in '99 again?
Joshua isnt some poor crack baby who grew up on the poverty line with no mother and father, he chose to sell drugs out of choice not necessity. He could have gone to mcdonalds and got a job but i guess he wasnt humble enough for that. AJ nuthugging shining through.
When joking about things like women in the kitchen and his wife seems to be very happy everytime shes interviewed and he calls homosexuals yet is happy to lock arms with gandalf and share it to the world then yea maybe it is time to put the pitch fork down and rethink things.
Arise Sir Taki, the White Knight and go save all of humanity via the boxrec forum

Fred Durst didn't invent the phrase, smart lad.
Where is my Joshua nuthugging? Was it when I suggested Martin was on a par with Michae Bentt?
Are you having some kind of paranoid mental breakdown? It does appear that because I've pointed out some people might not like Fury because of his views on homosexuals and women you've done one off the deep end.

[Taki...]

I would remove all their human rights and slaughter them like pigs.. The mass murderers that is.. With a huge grin on my face when I'm at.. You can love the homo's all you like.. But if the world was full of them only, our human race would either come to an end for lack of reproduction.. Or every child would have to created in a effing lab! If that view makes me a partial bigot.. So effing be it.. You keep sticking up for stuff that ain't natural.. See how far you get.. Your clearly educated to a degree. Just on the wrong side of the fence as usual.. You go campaign for homos, and mass murderers humans right you effing drip...

Where to begin with this pile of fornicating lunacy. If you're what passes for normal then dog help everyone.

[wesshaw1985]

Haha quoting Fred Durst, chocolate starfish, are we back in '99 again?
Joshua isnt some poor crack baby who grew up on the poverty line with no mother and father, he chose to sell drugs out of choice not necessity. He could have gone to mcdonalds and got a job but i guess he wasnt humble enough for that. AJ nuthugging shining through.
When joking about things like women in the kitchen and his wife seems to be very happy everytime shes interviewed and he calls homosexuals yet is happy to lock arms with gandalf and share it to the world then yea maybe it is time to put the pitch fork down and rethink things.
Arise Sir Taki, the White Knight and go save all of humanity via the boxrec forum

Fred Durst didn't invent the phrase, smart lad.
Where is my Joshua nuthugging? Was it when I suggested Martin was on a par with Michae Bentt?
Are you having some kind of paranoid mental breakdown? It does appear that because I've pointed out some people might not like Fury because of his views on homosexuals and women you've done one off the deep end.

Fred Durst is the only person I've heard use "chocolate starfish" and not look pathetic and that was in 1999.
"Yeah, there's no merit in using boxing to turn your life around" clearly a Joshua fanboy/nuthugger trying to distract and turn a blind eye to his past illegal activity.
Selling drugs you can forgive but speaking about women and homosexuals unfavourably you cannot forgive

[Taki...]

Fred Durst is the only person I've heard use "chocolate starfish" and not look pathetic and that was in 1999.
"Yeah, there's no merit in using boxing to turn your life around" clearly a Joshua fanboy/nuthugger trying to distract and turn a blind eye to his past illegal activity.
Selling drugs you can forgive but speaking about women and homosexuals unfavourably you cannot forgive

I'm sure the entire world revolves around your cultural references.
As far as I'm aware many boxers have used the sport as a means of reform.
It's not easy responding to someone who has clearly abandoned things like reason, logic and facts.
Tell me again how me pointing out Fury's faults has anything to with a completely different boxer that I didn't bring into the conversation?

[Taki...]

I don't think its right to pick on anyone.. Not homosexuals.. But the same level of tolerance should by the same standard be shown to a partial "bigot" no...?? Even though it's understood he's not really.. Just a couple jokes that backfired..

Deluded.

[wesshaw1985]

Fred Durst is the only person I've heard use "chocolate starfish" and not look pathetic and that was in 1999.
"Yeah, there's no merit in using boxing to turn your life around" clearly a Joshua fanboy/nuthugger trying to distract and turn a blind eye to his past illegal activity.
Selling drugs you can forgive but speaking about women and homosexuals unfavourably you cannot forgive

I'm sure the entire world revolves around your cultural references.
As far as I'm aware many boxers have used the sport as a means of reform.
It's not easy responding to someone who has clearly abandoned things like reason, logic and facts.
Tell me again how me pointing out Fury's faults has anything to with a completely different boxer that I didn't bring into the conversation?

So because individuals choose to make huge sums of money via fighting instead of selling drugs they should be congratulated and all past wrongs should be forgiven?
Maybe if they were to use their new found platform and wealth to give time and funds to people affected by drugs and drug dealing then yes i would hold that person in high regard, but to simply brush it under the carpet as something that they used to be and down play it then no that doesn't quite cut it.
Action speak louder than words. AJ is guilty of being a drug dealer, Fury is guilty of talking a little too openly to the media

[jamesmcdonnell]

Let's face it, charisma is a nebulous thing, and clearly Tyson lacks it - at least he does in a public arena.

He's twitchy, abrasive, and seemingly quite easily offended and plays the victim card rather a lot - these are not things which tend to appeal to the public, it is what it is. Also, some of his views are a little out of step with modern Britain, and people don't warm to that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Fred Durst is the only person I've heard use "chocolate starfish" and not look pathetic and that was in 1999.
"Yeah, there's no merit in using boxing to turn your life around" clearly a Joshua fanboy/nuthugger trying to distract and turn a blind eye to his past illegal activity.
Selling drugs you can forgive but speaking about women and homosexuals unfavourably you cannot forgive

I'm sure the entire world revolves around your cultural references.
As far as I'm aware many boxers have used the sport as a means of reform.
It's not easy responding to someone who has clearly abandoned things like reason, logic and facts.
Tell me again how me pointing out Fury's faults has anything to with a completely different boxer that I didn't bring into the conversation?

So because individuals choose to make huge sums of money via fighting instead of selling drugs they should be congratulated and all past wrongs should be forgiven?
Maybe if they were to use their new found platform and wealth to give time and funds to people affected by drugs and drug dealing then yes i would hold that person in high regard, but to simply brush it under the carpet as something that they used to be and down play it then no that doesn't quite cut it.
Action speak louder than words. AJ is guilty of being a drug dealer, Fury is guilty of talking a little too openly to the media

Big deal. I know loads of people I knocked about with who knocked out coke and puff when they were young. guess what, they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service - unless you believe it's people standing outside school gates with bags of crack and heroin trying to entice young kids.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The holocaust, the apartheid era! As shocking as they was.. What can you do as a person now about any of it??? The answer is jack.. You can do nothing about it. Furthermore, to compare a few flippant remarks by a boxer or somebody's thoughts to "the holocaust" and "The Apartheid" is the ridiculous shite that I was talking about earlier.. It doesn't bare thought or even comparison.. It's outrageous to suggest they are even from the same planet of evil.. How high is that horse your on.. Those shocking acts of humanity that you've highlighted are some of the worst in the history of mankind.. Yet I, and millions of other British who were not directly affected by it fail to shed tears over it. Stay in your own lane, and worry about what effects you, your existence, your family and your life. Busying yourself with other people of no relation to your owns problems is the recipe for an early grave.. Take light hearted comments with a pinch of salt and move on.. Taking them as gospel is no good for your health.. That's a big problem with the world today.. Busy body's over thinking and over reacting to things that don't effect them.. Side note.. Should "anders breivik" have human rights after he ended the lives of 75 men women and children... The answer is no clearly! The fact is he has human rights and is taking the justice system in Norway to court.. Yes court.. And the sad point is he'll probably win too.. I dunno.. You do the math.. Oh protector of feelings..

Have you never heard the term 'the thin end of the wedge'. The 'evil' of the holocaust was only possible because lot's of people who weren't bigots didn't do enough to stop lots of people who were. The comparison is extreme, but quite valid.
It costs me nothing to write that I find anyone espousing homophobic and sexist views ignorant.
Do you think gay people were laughing along with Fury's 'light hearted' comments? I'm sure being a devout Christian he was only joking about his faith.
So is it just Breivik who shouldn't have human rights or all convicted murderers and terrorists like the Birmingham Six, Nelson Mandela and Nick Yarris for example? The problem with removing Breivik's human rights is that it sets a precedent. You do the maths, oh narrow minded and shortsighted one.

I would remove all their human rights and slaughter them like pigs.. The mass murderers that is.. With a huge grin on my face when I'm at.. You can love the homo's all you like.. But if the world was full of them only, our human race would either come to an end for lack of reproduction.. Or every child would have to created in a effing lab! If that view makes me a partial bigot.. So effing be it.. You keep sticking up for stuff that ain't natural.. See how far you get.. Your clearly educated to a degree. Just on the wrong side of the fence as usual.. You go campaign for homos, and mass murderers humans right you effing drip...

Who says homosexuality isn't natural? It seems it is pretty prevalent throughout much of the animal kingdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexua ... in_animals

Just because something makes you uncomfortable, doesn't make it 'unnatural' - as there's only ever a proportion of any animal population (including humans) who display homosexual tendencies, the chances of the human race having to produce children in labs is zero, so not sure what the purpose of that argument is.

As for human rights, the point is supposed to be, that justice is not about punishment and suffering - otherwise we become as the bad as the people we are punishing.

As for 'campaigning for homos' not sure what that means either, but if you mean should we stand up for people to live out their sexuality without fear of attack, discrimination or the law interfering - then yes, so long as they are not harming anyone or enforcing their predilections on unwilling parties - then sure, I'm in. You sound like the kind of nonsense people were talking about in the 80's about 'promoting' homosexuality. Just chill.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I would remove all their human rights and slaughter them like pigs.. The mass murderers that is.. With a huge grin on my face when I'm at.. You can love the homo's all you like.. But if the world was full of them only, our human race would either come to an end for lack of reproduction.. Or every child would have to created in a effing lab! If that view makes me a partial bigot.. So effing be it.. You keep sticking up for stuff that ain't natural.. See how far you get.. Your clearly educated to a degree. Just on the wrong side of the fence as usual.. You go campaign for homos, and mass murderers humans right you effing drip...

Who says homosexuality isn't natural? It seems it is pretty prevalent throughout much of the animal kingdom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexua ... in_animals

Just because something makes you uncomfortable, doesn't make it 'unnatural' - as there's only ever a proportion of any animal population (including humans) who display homosexual tendencies, the chances of the human race having to produce children in labs is zero, so not sure what the purpose of that argument is.

As for human rights, the point is supposed to be, that justice is not about punishment and suffering - otherwise we become as the bad as the people we are punishing.

As for 'campaigning for homos' not sure what that means either, but if you mean should we stand up for people to live out their sexuality without fear of attack, discrimination or the law interfering - then yes, so long as they are not harming anyone or enforcing their predilections on unwilling parties - then sure, I'm in. You sound like the kind of nonsense people were talking about in the 80's about 'promoting' homosexuality. Just chill.

Quite the opposite.. Your gonna have to read about 116 replies before your up to date on this topic.. And who's said what.. It's a lot of reading bud, but worth it if you want a real handle on this topic.. I'm apparently a partial bigot.. Just read and you'll prob see what I mean..

Seems a lot to wade through to me.

Quite the opposite to what?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Quite the opposite.. Your gonna have to read about 116 replies before your up to date on this topic.. And who's said what.. It's a lot of reading bud, but worth it if you want a real handle on this topic.. I'm apparently a partial bigot.. Just read and you'll prob see what I mean..

Seems a lot to wade through to me.

Quite the opposite to what?

I'm not for homosexuality at all! But because I think fury is a sound guy.. And his comments blown out of all proportion.. I'm an apparent "bigot" I dunno go figure..

Well I'm afraid you are a bigot then.

I'm not keen on homosexuality as a pursuit for myself, but why should I give a shit or have a right to look down on people who do - what business is it of mine? Live and let live, and stop peering over the fence into other people's lives just so you can disapprove of it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'm not for homosexuality at all! But because I think fury is a sound guy.. And his comments blown out of all proportion.. I'm an apparent "bigot" I dunno go figure..

Well I'm afraid you are a bigot then.

I'm not keen on homosexuality as a pursuit for myself, but why should I give a poo or have a right to look down on people who do - what business is it of mine? Live and let live, and stop peering over the fence into other people's lives just so you can disapprove of it.

I didn't disapprove until it was forced on me to do so by another blogger.. I couldn't care less either, so why all the uproar about furys comments... By people who it didn't offend??? If your a straight man, why concern yourself with a comment about homo's?? That was my point.. So many do gooders jumping to aid the homo's.. Stick in your own land was all I said to them!! Like I said you've got a fair bit of reading to do to fully understand.. The to's and throws of it all.

I'm not black either, but I'd berate someone who threw racist slurs around.

I find bigotry offensive, simple as, no matter who it's aimed at.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well I'm afraid you are a bigot then.

I'm not keen on homosexuality as a pursuit for myself, but why should I give a poo or have a right to look down on people who do - what business is it of mine? Live and let live, and stop peering over the fence into other people's lives just so you can disapprove of it.

I didn't disapprove until it was forced on me to do so by another blogger.. I couldn't care less either, so why all the uproar about furys comments... By people who it didn't offend??? If your a straight man, why concern yourself with a comment about homo's?? That was my point.. So many do gooders jumping to aid the homo's.. Stick in your own land was all I said to them!! Like I said you've got a fair bit of reading to do to fully understand.. The to's and throws of it all.

I'm not black either, but I'd berate someone who threw racist slurs around.

I find bigotry offensive, simple as, no matter who it's aimed at.

As a caveat, I'll point out that I'm not rooting against Fury when he fights - for me it's his performance as a boxer which is of more import, however, I'd not want to hang out with him, and no doubt he'd not want to hang out with me either. It's unlikely to happen.

I don't have any friends who are religious, and for good reason, they spout nonsense, and I find it extremely irritating.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sometimes this predictive text makes if effing hard to reply in a snappy and efficient manor.. Excuse the typo's here and there.. There's so many good Samaritans about all of a sudden.. Gay this and gay that, nasty this and nasty that... Where are they all when more than just harmless words are muttered... Nowhere that's where. No where.. Keyboard effing warriors.. If your so offended by the mans comments.. Drive up to his gym in Bolton.. Or approach him in person where you see fit.. And get your point of view across like men are supposed to.. Typing words of on a computer about what a scumbag he is.. Pfft.. And you call yourselves men.. You wouldn't have the a** hole to say to him what you say about him.. That's where the problem starts.. A man today speaks his mind and gets castrated for it.. I'm all for saying what you think.. Nobody should encourage being false and fake to get on life.. Say what you bloody think.. Don't just type it.

So people can only have opinions if they are prepared to go traipsing up to wherever the originator of the comments was from, because it's more 'manly.'

We can't all be everywhere at all times, are we supposed to appear in a puff (as in wisp, not gay) of smoke whenever 'more than harmless words are muttered'' like some sort of masked avenger?! I stand up for people in person if I hear them being verbally abused in front of me, I'm not going to travel to Bolton just to argue with Tyson Fury.

Last time I checked Tyson fury disseminated what he said via the media, it's not like he went round with a pamphlet with his views knocking on doors is it - so what

Tyson can say whatever he likes, it's up to him, but there's consequences for taking a stance, that's the reality. If you want to be in the spotlight, that's what happens, same as it would to me if I went to speakers corner and started berating people.

[wesshaw1985]

I'm sure the entire world revolves around your cultural references.
As far as I'm aware many boxers have used the sport as a means of reform.
It's not easy responding to someone who has clearly abandoned things like reason, logic and facts.
Tell me again how me pointing out Fury's faults has anything to with a completely different boxer that I didn't bring into the conversation?

So because individuals choose to make huge sums of money via fighting instead of selling drugs they should be congratulated and all past wrongs should be forgiven?
Maybe if they were to use their new found platform and wealth to give time and funds to people affected by drugs and drug dealing then yes i would hold that person in high regard, but to simply brush it under the carpet as something that they used to be and down play it then no that doesn't quite cut it.
Action speak louder than words. AJ is guilty of being a drug dealer, Fury is guilty of talking a little too openly to the media

Big deal. I know loads of people I knocked about with who knocked out coke and puff when they were young. guess what, they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service - unless you believe it's people standing outside school gates with bags of crack and heroin trying to entice young kids.

its illegal you goof.
"they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service" pimp ok as a career choice aswell then?
I would rather have a preacher stood on my street corner talking all day than have a drug dealer on the corner dealing all day...

[jamesmcdonnell]

So because individuals choose to make huge sums of money via fighting instead of selling drugs they should be congratulated and all past wrongs should be forgiven?
Maybe if they were to use their new found platform and wealth to give time and funds to people affected by drugs and drug dealing then yes i would hold that person in high regard, but to simply brush it under the carpet as something that they used to be and down play it then no that doesn't quite cut it.
Action speak louder than words. AJ is guilty of being a drug dealer, Fury is guilty of talking a little too openly to the media

Big deal. I know loads of people I knocked about with who knocked out coke and puff when they were young. guess what, they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service - unless you believe it's people standing outside school gates with bags of crack and heroin trying to entice young kids.

its illegal you goof.
"they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service" pimp ok as a career choice aswell then?
I would rather have a preacher stood on my street corner talking all day than have a drug dealer on the corner dealing all day...

I couldn't give a shit about the legality. Drug laws do way more harm than they do good, even the police and the governments own commissioners agree with that. I've been caning it for years, nobody ever forced me to buy anything, and I'm fit healthy and have a good job.

I don't lie awake at night worrying about either Joshua or Fury, but I find Fury's views way more disturbing than the fact AJ knocked out a bit of coke, I see no moral panic in it whatsoever. Rites of passage for a lot of people.

[wesshaw1985]

Big deal. I know loads of people I knocked about with who knocked out coke and puff when they were young. guess what, they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service - unless you believe it's people standing outside school gates with bags of crack and heroin trying to entice young kids.

its illegal you goof.
"they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service" pimp ok as a career choice aswell then?
I would rather have a preacher stood on my street corner talking all day than have a drug dealer on the corner dealing all day...

I couldn't give a poo about the legality. Drug laws do way more harm than they do good, even the police and the governments own commissioners agree with that. I've been caning it for years, nobody ever forced me to buy anything, and I'm fit healthy and have a good job.

I don't lie awake at night worrying about either Joshua or Fury, but I find Fury's views way more disturbing than the fact AJ knocked out a bit of coke, I see no moral panic in it whatsoever. Rites of passage for a lot of people.

listen, its the law of the land. whether you believe it right or wrong means nothing.
the discussion is why isn't the whole of Britain behind Tyson Fury?
I argue the point that a boring, humble, robot personality, ex-drug dealer has a bigger fanbase than the no.1 HW fighter in Britain and the World shows the problems in British society today.
The UK is full of sheep, scared to open there mouths and say how they really think and feel for fear of being branded a racist, homophobe or bigot.
This is why Fury is not backed by Britain...

[Ian1973]

its illegal you goof.
"they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service" pimp ok as a career choice aswell then?
I would rather have a preacher stood on my street corner talking all day than have a drug dealer on the corner dealing all day...

I couldn't give a poo about the legality. Drug laws do way more harm than they do good, even the police and the governments own commissioners agree with that. I've been caning it for years, nobody ever forced me to buy anything, and I'm fit healthy and have a good job.

I don't lie awake at night worrying about either Joshua or Fury, but I find Fury's views way more disturbing than the fact AJ knocked out a bit of coke, I see no moral panic in it whatsoever. Rites of passage for a lot of people.

listen, its the law of the land. whether you believe it right or wrong means nothing.
the discussion is why isn't the whole of Britain behind Tyson Fury?
I argue the point that a boring, humble, robot personality, ex-drug dealer has a bigger fanbase than the no.1 fighter in Britain and the World shows the problems in British society today.
The UK is full of sheep, scared to open there mouths and say how they really think and feel for fear of being branded a racist, homophobe or bigot.
This is why Fury is not backed by Britain...

I think there is some truth in that.

However the biggest reason by some way that Joshua is more popular than Fury is surely the sky exposure. Barely a day goes by without him being mentioned on Sky Sports News and of course they have the rights to his fights. Fury is on B o x nation and that is a subscription channel. Sky (understandably) get behind their own boy. I don't know how many subscribers BN has but compared to Sky it has barely any.

[jamesmcdonnell]

its illegal you goof.
"they were selling it to people who wanted to buy it - it's a bloody service" pimp ok as a career choice aswell then?
I would rather have a preacher stood on my street corner talking all day than have a drug dealer on the corner dealing all day...

I couldn't give a poo about the legality. Drug laws do way more harm than they do good, even the police and the governments own commissioners agree with that. I've been caning it for years, nobody ever forced me to buy anything, and I'm fit healthy and have a good job.

I don't lie awake at night worrying about either Joshua or Fury, but I find Fury's views way more disturbing than the fact AJ knocked out a bit of coke, I see no moral panic in it whatsoever. Rites of passage for a lot of people.

listen, its the law of the land. whether you believe it right or wrong means nothing.
the discussion is why isn't the whole of Britain behind Tyson Fury?
I argue the point that a boring, humble, robot personality, ex-drug dealer has a bigger fanbase than the no.1 fighter in Britain and the World shows the problems in British society today.
The UK is full of sheep, scared to open there mouths and say how they really think and feel for fear of being branded a racist, homophobe or bigot.
This is why Fury is not backed by Britain...

I don't care if it's the law of the land, I like doing drugs on occasion. If they were legal, I'd continue to do them. You're talking about it as moral issue, I don't see it was one personally, illegal and immoral are not the same thing.

The reason people don't like Tyson, is he spews constant rubbish. Joshua says little, is well promoted and more importantly has BASHED THE LIVING SHITE OUT OF EVERYONE HE FACED - FAR.

I don't think the fact that people don't want to listen to some religious zealot spouting rubbish is an indication of the total breakdown of society.

I'm sick of people getting so protective over Tyson, the fact is, he isn't popular, that's life. He's got a big gob, he likes to talk shite, and he's not that exciting to watch. The fact that combination doesn't appeal to the masses, isn't an indication that the country is going down the shitter.

[man]

Let's face it, charisma is a nebulous thing, and clearly Tyson lacks it

tyson fury has deficits in many departments,
charisma is not among them.

[wesshaw1985]

I couldn't give a poo about the legality. Drug laws do way more harm than they do good, even the police and the governments own commissioners agree with that. I've been caning it for years, nobody ever forced me to buy anything, and I'm fit healthy and have a good job.

I don't lie awake at night worrying about either Joshua or Fury, but I find Fury's views way more disturbing than the fact AJ knocked out a bit of coke, I see no moral panic in it whatsoever. Rites of passage for a lot of people.

listen, its the law of the land. whether you believe it right or wrong means nothing.
the discussion is why isn't the whole of Britain behind Tyson Fury?
I argue the point that a boring, humble, robot personality, ex-drug dealer has a bigger fanbase than the no.1 fighter in Britain and the World shows the problems in British society today.
The UK is full of sheep, scared to open there mouths and say how they really think and feel for fear of being branded a racist, homophobe or bigot.
This is why Fury is not backed by Britain...

I don't care if it's the law of the land, I like doing drugs on occasion. If they were legal, I'd continue to do them. You're talking about it as moral issue, I don't see it was one personally, illegal and immoral are not the same thing.

The reason people don't like Tyson, is he spews constant rubbish. Joshua says little, is well promoted and more importantly has BASHED THE LIVING SHITE OUT OF EVERYONE HE FACED - FAR.

I don't think the fact that people don't want to listen to some religious zealot spouting rubbish is an indication of the total breakdown of society.

I'm sick of people getting so protective over Tyson, the fact is, he isn't popular, that's life. He's got a big gob, he likes to talk shite, and he's not that exciting to watch. The fact that combination doesn't appeal to the masses, isn't an indication that the country is going down the shitter.

ok congrats, you like drugs. We get it.
Its not about protecting Tyson, its about recognising the no.1 HW boxer in the world and giving him that respect.
You need to put some respek on his name...

[Oiky]

Anyone would think I said what Tyson said the way this lots going on. I started talking about his brushed under the carpet achievements.. And have ended up in a gay rights debate.. Fook me.. I was hoping to be talking about boxing for fooks sake.. Never new so many people hated him..

let the haters hate

[wesshaw1985]

Let's face it, charisma is a nebulous thing, and clearly Tyson lacks it

tyson fury has deficits in many departments,
charisma is not among them.

Tyson is clearly the biggest personality in boxing and possibly sport which makes me question how he was stepped over for the SPORTS PERSONALITY Of The Year Award in 2015 with dour Scotsman Andy Murray winning it and Kevin Sinfield (who?) as runner up.
Travesty...

[jamesmcdonnell]

Let's face it, charisma is a nebulous thing, and clearly Tyson lacks it

tyson fury has deficits in many departments,
charisma is not among them.

It's a matter of taste I guess.

I recognise his achievements, and I'll admit watching him outside the ring can be quite compelling, because you never know what he's going to say next, but I'd not say he's charming or witty, I guess he's quite entertaining in the sense that he's very unpredictable, but he's not exactly on a par with Ali - as some on here claim -

I'll give him credit for beating Wlad, how can you not, he went in to the lions Den, and beat someone who had been the top dog for a decade. It's a great achievement.

What I won't accept is that everyone is out to get poor old Tyson, a line he seems fond of, the fact is, he's not got the same exposure as Joshua due to the platform he's fighting on - which is a shame, and his performances haven't quite set the world on fire. Maybe this will change, maybe not, who knows, but In the meantime he's making millions, so I'm not sure why everyone's getting so twitchy on his behalf.

I don't hate the guy, I don't know him, I find some of his views rather unpalatable, because he chose to put them out there - I'm sure there's other fighters with pretty odious views I wouldn't agree with, but if they haven't vocalised them, I won't know.