Canelo and the billion dollar FMJ cherry picking blueprint

[Luckybattles]

I really don't understand all of this pressure to fight GGG. Not only does it not make business sense but it does not follow the billion dollar blueprint so masterfully illustrated by FMJ. Basically, you can make a fortune by blowing up mismatches on 24/7 while cherry picking your way all the way to the top. No need to fight guys with knock out power and risk it all. Instead, make yourself the main event and use money to pressure much smaller fighters to move up and fight you. Then, don't even bother to make the weight, just give them a cool million extra to take the fight regardless of the mindless disadvantage (e.g. juan manuel marquez). I don't know why people are crying when the same people who are complaining about GGG are the same people who created this nonsense in boxing about 30 years Why fight GGG now. If people really want to see it they can wait another 7 years, and only after canelo makes a couple hundred million in fighting former lightweights. Then he can enjoy another 150 million once both are well past their primes. Its the blueprint FMJ created and the blueprint that the fans endorsed. Hey, at least Canelo blew out Khan as prescribed and didn't dance and prance around the much smaller rival as FMJ did against Marquez. Boxing is a buisness

[jamesmcdonnell]

I really don't understand all of this pressure to fight GGG. Not only does it not make business sense but it does not follow the billion dollar blueprint so masterfully illustrated by FMJ. Basically, you can make a fortune by blowing up mismatches on 24/7 while cherry picking your way all the way to the top. No need to fight guys with knock out power and risk it all. Instead, make yourself the main event and use money to pressure much smaller fighters to move up and fight you. Then, don't even bother to make the weight, just give them a cool million extra to take the fight regardless of the mindless disadvantage (e.g. juan manuel marquez). I don't know why people are crying when the same people who are complaining about GGG are the same people who created this nonsense in boxing about 30 years Why fight GGG now. If people really want to see it they can wait another 7 years, and only after canelo makes a couple hundred million in fighting former lightweights. Then he can enjoy another 150 million once both are well past their primes. Its the blueprint FMJ created and the blueprint that the fans endorsed. Hey, at least Canelo blew out Khan as prescribed and didn't dance and prance around the much smaller rival as FMJ did against Marquez. Boxing is a buisness

I think the fight will happen for the simple reason that I believe Canelo wants to prove himself. Call me a dewy eyed idealist, but there you go, there's my take, watch this space.

[Luckybattles]

I don't know. Fernando Vargas was the last guy to fight for pride and it didn't turn out well vs Trinidad. Maybe derailed his career. Boxing learned from Meldrick Taylor. No need to squander millions by foolishly calling out the biggest wrecking balls in boxing.

[littlepug]

I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

[Lackeos]

Alvarez can definitely make a billion dollars over the course of his career if he keeps fighting opponents like Khan. He is still so young and he's fought so many fighters with a name already. If Alvarez focused on fighting Pacquiao, Bradley, Garcia, Brook, and Thurman for now; then he could wait and fight the Charlos, Andrade, and Martirosyan when they make more of a name for themselves. If he managed an 8-1 or 7-2 record against that kind of opposition, he would be well on his way towards making a billion. But if I was managing him, I would try to avoid any fights that were 50/50 or worse until he was at least 30. Becoming the billion dollar fighter is built on the back of many small victories.

[Horse]

He cannot avoid the Golovkin fight, it will greatly damage his marketability.

If he loses then can say that he's too small for middleweight.

Then he can drop down to light middleweight, pick up a title and fight some of the best light middleweights as well as a load of welterweights and light welterweights.

If he actually manages to beat Golovkin then he can do the same thing at middleweight.

[Counter-puncher]

I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

With the atrocious cherrypicking that lead to him fighting Benitez, Duran and hearns in a two year period

[jas80s]

I agree for the most part, but I am not sure why you are making it all about Floyd Mayweather.

Being mindful of money, and potential to make future money, when selecting fights did not start with Floyd, though I think you are right that the billion dollar part might have started with him which does exacerbate the problem to an alarming degree.

Jack Johnson sought out white opponents over more qualified black ones.........for money.

And there are scores of other examples I am sure.

[littlepug]

I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

With the atrocious cherrypicking that lead to him fighting Benitez, Duran and hearns in a two year period

After that

[MachoTime]

The Lalonde fight?

[Luckybattles]

I think he meant what Leonard put Hagler through leading up to the fight and never giving him a rematch. Sugar ray had balls though. He took on a prime terry Norris when he was well past his prime and knocked out Hearns.

[drunkenpiper36]

I know this thread isn't focused on Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Look at the best fighters of the past five years who were within "reasonable" weight perameters for him to face, i.e, Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc.. Those were the names he needed to beat to secure his legacy and he did it while maintaining an undefeated record well into old age..People might not have liked the way he looked in some of those fights or felt some of them should have happened sooner, but it is what it is. The man was constantly expected to move up in weight. Face guys who were younger. And as soon as he beat somebody the haters were screaming on forums that very evening about how he was "ducking" this person or that person.. I'm fine with his legacy and hope that he stays retired. The man is judged more on his personality and public image than for what he did in the ring. As for Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker.. He doesn't need to sign to fight Golovkin tomorrow.

[JoeCorrao]

Alvarez can definitely make a billion dollars over the course of his career if he keeps fighting opponents like Khan. He is still so young and he's fought so many fighters with a name already. If Alvarez focused on fighting Pacquiao, Bradley, Garcia, Brook, and Thurman for now; then he could wait and fight the Charlos, Andrade, and Martirosyan when they make more of a name for themselves. If he managed an 8-1 or 7-2 record against that kind of opposition, he would be well on his way towards making a billion. But if I was managing him, I would try to avoid any fights that were 50/50 or worse until he was at least 30. Becoming the billion dollar fighter is built on the back of many small victories.

How many times will people pay to see a mismatch though?

[JoeCorrao]

I know this thread isn't focused on Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Look at the best fighters of the past five years who were within "reasonable" weight perameters for him to face, i.e, Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc.. Those were the names he needed to beat to secure his legacy and he did it while maintaining an undefeated record well into old age..People might not have liked the way he looked in some of those fights or felt some of them should have happened sooner, but it is what it is. The man was constantly expected to move up in weight. Face guys who were younger. And as soon as he beat somebody the haters were screaming on forums that very evening about how he was "ducking" this person or that person.. I'm fine with his legacy and hope that he stays retired. The man is judged more on his personality and public image than for what he did in the ring. As for Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker.. He doesn't need to sign to fight Golovkin tomorrow.

Mayweather has fought at least 10 Hall of Famers.

[drunkenpiper36]

I know this thread isn't focused on Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Look at the best fighters of the past five years who were within "reasonable" weight perameters for him to face, i.e, Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc.. Those were the names he needed to beat to secure his legacy and he did it while maintaining an undefeated record well into old age..People might not have liked the way he looked in some of those fights or felt some of them should have happened sooner, but it is what it is. The man was constantly expected to move up in weight. Face guys who were younger. And as soon as he beat somebody the haters were screaming on forums that very evening about how he was "ducking" this person or that person.. I'm fine with his legacy and hope that he stays retired. The man is judged more on his personality and public image than for what he did in the ring. As for Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker.. He doesn't need to sign to fight Golovkin tomorrow.

Mayweather has fought at least 10 Hall of Famers.

No doubt about it.. And over 20 men who were champions of one kind or another at some point in their careers.

[jas80s]

Alvarez can definitely make a billion dollars over the course of his career if he keeps fighting opponents like Khan. He is still so young and he's fought so many fighters with a name already. If Alvarez focused on fighting Pacquiao, Bradley, Garcia, Brook, and Thurman for now; then he could wait and fight the Charlos, Andrade, and Martirosyan when they make more of a name for themselves. If he managed an 8-1 or 7-2 record against that kind of opposition, he would be well on his way towards making a billion. But if I was managing him, I would try to avoid any fights that were 50/50 or worse until he was at least 30. Becoming the billion dollar fighter is built on the back of many small victories.

How many times will people pay to see a mismatch though?

Many, many times evidently.

It would seem that the exceptionally few events that fail do so because nobody has heard of the principal fighters or are bored by them. A mismatch has never seemed to be a major problem, most average boxing fans don't even follow the sport closely enough to recognize the mismatches.

Golovkin fans were touting his star power recently because he sold out the forum against Dominic Wade.....I mean, Dominic Wade for god's sake!!! And you wonder how long it will take us ultra sophisticated boxing fans to stop paying for mismatches??? Forever is the answer.

Once again, I had a few people approach me seriously pumped for Khan and Alvarez. Don't underestimate how smart promoters and managers are, they know what sells. Good fights are great, but hardly necessary for making money. Star power drives the show, and KO's produce star power. My opinion of course.

[littlepug]

The Lalonde fight?

maybe im being harsh on leonard as the hagler fight was still a tough ask but he waited till hagler was just past it before taking the fight, as for the lalonde fight cant remember the weights but pretty sure it was all in leonards favour and it was for titles in 2 different weight classes which ive only seen done by mayweather since, suppose what im getting at is the amount of control that leonard had over the terms of a fight which you can also see in floyds career

[G.McClellan]

I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

Good call

[Lancenix]

I know this thread isn't focused on Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Look at the best fighters of the past five years who were within "reasonable" weight perameters for him to face, i.e, Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc.. Those were the names he needed to beat to secure his legacy and he did it while maintaining an undefeated record well into old age..People might not have liked the way he looked in some of those fights or felt some of them should have happened sooner, but it is what it is. The man was constantly expected to move up in weight. Face guys who were younger. And as soon as he beat somebody the haters were screaming on forums that very evening about how he was "ducking" this person or that person.. I'm fine with his legacy and hope that he stays retired. The man is judged more on his personality and public image than for what he did in the ring. As for Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker.. He doesn't need to sign to fight Golovkin tomorrow.

Mayweather has fought at least 10 Hall of Famers.

That does not mean anything though. He fought many of them on their last leg, Marquez went up two weight classes to fight him. I could go on and on. That is flawed logic.

[drunkenpiper36]

^^^ And Floyd was retired for two years before facing Marquez and beating him soundly. JMM went on to having some success after that loss as well. Floyd also moved up in weight to beat a prime Alvarez. Beat a good champion in Hernandez while only having 17 fights.. Beat Ricky Hatton when he was undefeated and a hot commodity. Schooled Miguel Cotto when he still at a lot left and ultimately beat Manny Pac. You can say Pac was past it but so was Floyd and Manny just had one of the better performances of his career a month ago.

[gilgamesh]

I know this thread isn't focused on Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Look at the best fighters of the past five years who were within "reasonable" weight perameters for him to face, i.e, Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc.. Those were the names he needed to beat to secure his legacy and he did it while maintaining an undefeated record well into old age..People might not have liked the way he looked in some of those fights or felt some of them should have happened sooner, but it is what it is. The man was constantly expected to move up in weight. Face guys who were younger. And as soon as he beat somebody the haters were screaming on forums that very evening about how he was "ducking" this person or that person.. I'm fine with his legacy and hope that he stays retired. The man is judged more on his personality and public image than for what he did in the ring. As for Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker.. He doesn't need to sign to fight Golovkin tomorrow.

Mayweather has fought at least 10 Hall of Famers.

That does not mean anything though. He fought many of them on their last leg, Marquez went up two weight classes to fight him. I could go on and on. That is flawed logic.

People criticize Floyd all the time as if he fought nobody. His record speaks for itself. I get why people hate Floyd, but when people try to pretend like his accomplishments mean nothing they end up looking foolish.

The guy was a World Champion for 16 years and a Champion in 5 weight classes. That alone is amazing. When you factor in the fighters he beat his resume is brilliant. Floyd's not the best fighter of all time like he enjoys claiming, but you'd have a hard time making a case he's not one of the 20 best.

[ikorolev]

Floyd's opposition is somewhere between good and very good, but he was avoiding skilled rangy boxers in their prime.

Canelo's problem is that he is Mexican and a significant part of his fans will not forgive him for blatantly ducking a mandatory who is considered by most to be the best MW.

[Luckybattles]

I know this thread isn't focused on Floyd Mayweather. But since a comment was made about him " cherry picking", I'll post my disagreement. Look at the best fighters of the past five years who were within "reasonable" weight perameters for him to face, i.e, Manny Pac, Juan Marquez, Miguel cotto, Saul Alvarez, etc.. Those were the names he needed to beat to secure his legacy and he did it while maintaining an undefeated record well into old age..People might not have liked the way he looked in some of those fights or felt some of them should have happened sooner, but it is what it is. The man was constantly expected to move up in weight. Face guys who were younger. And as soon as he beat somebody the haters were screaming on forums that very evening about how he was "ducking" this person or that person.. I'm fine with his legacy and hope that he stays retired. The man is judged more on his personality and public image than for what he did in the ring. As for Alvarez, I'd say give him some time.. He's only 25 years old and has only fought a couple of times at middleweight. If in three years he's still running from the best out there, THEN we can call him a cherry picker.. He doesn't need to sign to fight Golovkin tomorrow.

Mayweather has fought at least 10 Hall of Famers.

That does not mean anything though. He fought many of them on their last leg, Marquez went up two weight classes to fight him. I could go on and on. That is flawed logic.

Not only on their last leg but almost all were smaller and some were completely shot. Maidana for example was shot to shitzer when he pulled out a miracle win. Floyd was salivating all over that guy and even gave him a rematch. I cant really hate on floyd because its a business . Only the ignorance of casual fans enabled that.

[MP]

I think the blue print was formulated by sugar ray leonard

seriously, littlepug?? SRL fought the best and while the other guy was still in their prime. I'm guessing that you're a young guy and only saw his last few fights at light heavyweight when he was out of his prime, himself.

[Lancenix]

Mayweather has fought at least 10 Hall of Famers.

That does not mean anything though. He fought many of them on their last leg, Marquez went up two weight classes to fight him. I could go on and on. That is flawed logic.

Not only on their last leg but almost all were smaller and some were completely shot. Maidana for example was shot to shitzer when he pulled out a miracle win. Floyd was salivating all over that guy and even gave him a rematch. I cant really hate on floyd because its a business . Only the ignorance of casual fans enabled that.

Well said.