Best Amateur Record?

[Wales]

Don't think Andre Ward has lost a fight since he was 13 years old. His last loss was in 1998, and he won Olympic gold in 2004 (first U.S. boxer to get gold Medal since 1992). Think his record was 115-4 as an amateur.

[Bogdan89]

Francisc Vastag(Romania) 4 time mondial champ 2 time european Champ 385-17 ...Serafim Todorov 3 time mondial champ (Bulgaria)

[enrique]

Chocolate did not have a 100-0 amateur record as claimed. If you look at his bio in wiki he was 21-0. He also claimed 21 straight KO's in the pros when he was really 9-0 when he came to the US. It was press release bullshit from his manager Pincho Gutierrez

Best amateur record Nino Benvenuti 120-0 with Olympic Gold.

[DaveyMac]

I would have said Sugar Ray Leonard.

I think to be the greatest ever you'd have to have won Olympic gold.

[gilgamesh]

Wasn't Lomachenko like 396-2 or something?

I'm not real sure, but I know he had a stellar Amateur record

[Kalan]

Ridiculous... Vasyl Lomachenko finished his amateur career with a claimed career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice... He also won 2 Olympic Gold Medals in a walk.. Who's done better than that???? NOBODY!!!!

[Tony1244]

I think Gerry Cooney was 55-2.

[Tony1244]

SR Robinson had a pretty good amateur record too.

He was fairly good.

[DuaneR32]

Vasyl Lomachenko was 389-1 and another few with a good amateur records were Gennady Golovkin who was 345-5 , Guillermo Rigondeaux 374-12 and Artur Beterbiev who was 295-5 .

[ShannonFriedrich]

I believe Albert Pagara of the Philipines has an unofficial amateur boxing record of 400-0.
This has not yet been discredited.

I am looking for the amateur record of Russian IBF Light Welterweight champion Eduard Troyanovsky?
Does anyone know of his amateur record or know where/how to find it? I've looked everywhere

[MaxiBoxc]

This no question for me.

Lomachenko has nearly 400 fights and only 1 questionable loss, which he payed back in the next fight and once more later. He is the best amateur ever.

[MaxiBoxc]

Ridiculous... Vasyl Lomachenko finished his amateur career with a claimed career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice... He also won 2 Olympic Gold Medals in a walk.. Who's done better than that???? NOBODY!!!!

Totally agree!

We can close this topic)

[gregor]

Ridiculous... Vasyl Lomachenko finished his amateur career with a claimed career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice... He also won 2 Olympic Gold Medals in a walk.. Who's done better than that???? NOBODY!!!!

Totally agree!
We can close this topic)

You need to take more things into consideration than just numbers. Nowadays, pro boxing is allowed virtually everywhere - e.g. in former CCCP territories and in other countries that used to ban it... Cuba I think is the only exception now). Anyway, the thing is that anyone with some talent usually turns pro as fast as he shows it.

It was really different ~30 years ago when (nearly) half of the world had to stay amateur no matter what, so the competition there was really fierce. It makes it difficult to compare the record of Lomachenko with someone who was around 200-10, knowing that today it would be likely 200-0 with those 10 long turned pro...

[MaxiBoxc]

Ridiculous... Vasyl Lomachenko finished his amateur career with a claimed career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice... He also won 2 Olympic Gold Medals in a walk.. Who's done better than that???? NOBODY!!!!

Totally agree!
We can close this topic)

You need to take more things into consideration than just numbers. Nowadays, pro boxing is allowed virtually everywhere - e.g. in former CCCP territories and in other countries that used to ban it... Cuba I think is the only exception now). Anyway, the thing is that anyone with some talent usually turns pro as fast as he shows it.

It was really different ~30 years ago when (nearly) half of the world had to stay amateur no matter what, so the competition there was really fierce. It makes it difficult to compare the record of Lomachenko with someone who was around 200-10, knowing that today it would be likely 200-0 with those 10 long turned pro...

This are not just numbers, this is result of how phenomenal Lomachenko is and how phenomenal is his father.
Boxing progresses. Historycal baggage is growing. Each following generation can take more and more from the history.
Anatoliy Lomachenko is genius. He took the best things and inculcated it to the boxers who were trained by him. Anatoliy made many successful boxers, but own son is "magnum opus" of his life.
I saw many Vasyl's fights and he is the best amateur boxer ever. Numbers just confirm my opinion.

[mrboxhist]

Please, provide the records. On BoxRec we do not belive in hearsay, do we?
I found it totally impossible that someone is undefeated or next to undefeated as amateur. There has always been a fair share of hometown decisions, no matter how good you are, and of course, add to that injuries, like a cut.
So do NOT speculate, provide the records, and not gossip or rumours. Just the facts...

www.mrboxhist.se

[MaxiBoxc]

mrboxhist, are you talking to me?

[RikRissewijck]

Lomachenko 396-1 with the loss being doubtfull and avenged twice.... no sweat, the best amateur fighter ever!

[mrboxhist]

Provide his recordlist. It is as simple as that. A complete recordlist will end the speculations. Facts matter. Words don´t. They are cheap...
www.mrboxhist.se

[sandis]

http://www.boxing-scoop.com/show_boxer. ... er_ID=8586

Big fights only in this record


But I did not find any traces that Lomachenko ever lost other fight than the one to Selimov


Lomachenko was in knockdown against Russian boxer Fedor Vinogradov (now pro boxer) in Odessa but he recovered and won the fight

Lomachenko record is the best in amateur boxing, just because he fought in best level competitions and has only 1 loss

Among his victims today's pro - Gaibnazarov, Valentino, Conceicao, Selby, Cotto, Papazov, Malinovskiy as well as a lot of top level amateur boxers

[nickcat0]

As others have said, Lomachenko with more Olympic gold medals than losses, takes some beating.

Andre Ward hasn't lost a fight (amateur or pro) since he was 13 years old, and has an Olympic gold as well.

I don't know how many fights he had, but Ricardo Lopez claimed to be unbeaten as an amateur? He would have to be in the frame for best ever.

[Carlos Danger]

Mark Breland 111-1 77 KO's, lost only to Darryl Anthony in amateurs. Later KO'd Anthony in pros in 3 rds.

Leon Spinks 178-7 with 133 knockouts, fornicating hell that's awesome! Lucky win over Ali as pro, shit pro record thereafter.

[Carlos Danger]

As others have said, Lomachenko with more Olympic gold medals than losses, takes some beating.

Andre Ward hasn't lost a fight (amateur or pro) since he was 13 years old, and has an Olympic gold as well.

I don't know how many fights he had, but Ricardo Lopez claimed to be unbeaten as an amateur? He would have to be in the frame for best ever.

Andre Ward: 115 wins and 5 losses.

[Tony1244]

I believe Gerry Cooney was 55-2 which isn't too bad. What about Teolfilo Stevenson?

[Scypion]

Floyd Patterson was 40 and 4, but 3 of his losses were when he first started as a 15 year old kid. I read where he was 1 and 3 in his first 4 fights. He won the Eastern and New York Golden Gloves at middleweight at 16 in 1951 and won an Olympic Gold Medal at middleweight at 17 in 1952 before turning pro.

Floyd also won the National AAU championship in 1952 at light heavyweight as well as the New York, Eastern, and Intercity Golden Gloves at light heavyweight in 1952. 1952 was not a bad year for Floyd.

If Floyd had stayed at light heavyweight after turning pro, he may have been considered one of the greatest in history in that division. Of course, the real big money was in the heavyweight division, so his manager fed him steaks every night to help build him up into a heavyweight. Floyd still did pretty well until the big guys like Liston and Ali came along.

[Scypion]

Floyd Patterson was 40 and 4, but 3 of his losses were when he first started as a 15 year old kid. I read where he was 1 and 3 in his first 4 fights. He won the Eastern and New York Golden Gloves at middleweight at 16 in 1951 and won an Olympic Gold Medal at middleweight at 17 in 1952 before turning pro.

Floyd also won the National AAU championship in 1952 at light heavyweight as well as the New York, Eastern, and Intercity Golden Gloves at light heavyweight in 1952. 1952 was not a bad year for Floyd.

If Floyd had stayed at light heavyweight after turning pro, he may have been considered one of the greatest in history in that division. Of course, the real big money was in the heavyweight division, so his manager fed him steaks every night to help build him up into a heavyweight. Floyd still did pretty well until the big guys like Liston and Ali came along.

Oops. It was at middleweight that Floyd won the National AAU championship in 1952, not light heavyweight.

The Eastern Golden Gloves, won by Floyd Patterson in 1951 and 1952, was also known as the Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions.