Big Up - Amir Khan

[jamesmcdonnell]

If only there was a database of records that someone could check

One can only dream. "Sigh."

You need to wake up bro.

WTF are you on about?

[whiskey]

According to the WBC it should happen, they have retained Amir Khan as no 1 for Garcia title after his loss to Alverez.

And his team are stupid enough to make that fight next.

Team Khan , Al Haymon and the other sycophants would put poor stupid Amir in the Wicker Man if there was enough loot on the table and box office interest.

[jamesmcdonnell]

According to the WBC it should happen, they have retained Amir Khan as no 1 for Garcia title after his loss to Alverez.

And his team are stupid enough to make that fight next.

Team Khan , Al Haymon and the other sycophants would put poor stupid Amir in the Wicker Man if there was enough loot on the table and box office interest.

Hahahah. Yes it does seem like another potential bludgeoning.

[Horse]

apart from the olympic silver khan holds, there is not so much difference. in fact crolla has been kod once to khans 3 or 4. crolla is 29 and is a current world champ, who faced down his domestic rivals. khan is 29 and was a world champ about 5 years ago. khan has fought more recognisable names but most were well past thier sell by. crolla had the cojones to fight murray. its true khan has fought some good fighters , but he always got kod by them. im sure crolla couldve ran for six rounds against canelo before going down. the only exceptional thing about khan was his speed, and his marketing...a bit like micheal owen...arrived with great fanfare and success but ultimately failed to live up to his potential. made a lot of money tho.

Crolla is as good as Khan?

You're really still trying to push that one?

[jamesmcdonnell]

apart from the olympic silver khan holds, there is not so much difference. in fact crolla has been kod once to khans 3 or 4. crolla is 29 and is a current world champ, who faced down his domestic rivals. khan is 29 and was a world champ about 5 years ago. khan has fought more recognisable names but most were well past thier sell by. crolla had the cojones to fight murray. its true khan has fought some good fighters , but he always got kod by them. im sure crolla couldve ran for six rounds against canelo before going down. the only exceptional thing about khan was his speed, and his marketing...a bit like micheal owen...arrived with great fanfare and success but ultimately failed to live up to his potential. made a lot of money tho.

Crolla is as good as Khan?

You're really still trying to push that one?

Bit silly really.

[Anzi]

Noticed on another post about Liam Smiths next defense, amazing how Khan's haters are trying to find holes in Khan's achievment's, yet ignore other British world champions records.

[Anzi]

apart from the olympic silver khan holds, there is not so much difference. in fact crolla has been kod once to khans 3 or 4. crolla is 29 and is a current world champ, who faced down his domestic rivals. khan is 29 and was a world champ about 5 years ago. khan has fought more recognisable names but most were well past thier sell by. crolla had the cojones to fight murray. its true khan has fought some good fighters , but he always got kod by them. im sure crolla couldve ran for six rounds against canelo before going down. the only exceptional thing about khan was his speed, and his marketing...a bit like micheal owen...arrived with great fanfare and success but ultimately failed to live up to his potential. made a lot of money tho.

Crolla is as good as Khan?

You're really still trying to push that one?

Bit silly really.

It's so bad, they should put him in the ring with both fighters.

[Horse]

No.

How far do you want to stretch the term great?

The top 100 or so.

How many British greats do you think there are?

Why won't anyone who says that Khan's not great answer that question?

Great fighters don't usually get violently knocked out 3 times in their primes.

The positives matter more than the negatives.

Khan is very good & game fighter, but it is unlikely he'll be remembered as a great unless he goes on a remarkable run, including avenging all his losses & possibly beating FMJ & Pac.

Ridiculous.

[Stuarty]

apart from the olympic silver khan holds, there is not so much difference. in fact crolla has been kod once to khans 3 or 4. crolla is 29 and is a current world champ, who faced down his domestic rivals. khan is 29 and was a world champ about 5 years ago. khan has fought more recognisable names but most were well past thier sell by. crolla had the cojones to fight murray. its true khan has fought some good fighters , but he always got kod by them. im sure crolla couldve ran for six rounds against canelo before going down. the only exceptional thing about khan was his speed, and his marketing...a bit like micheal owen...arrived with great fanfare and success but ultimately failed to live up to his potential. made a lot of money tho.

Crolla is as good as Khan?

You're really still trying to push that one?

saying Crolla is as good as Khan is almost as ridiculous as having Khan as an ATG

[whiskey]

Possible Team Khan selections next for Amir:

[Horse]

saying Crolla is as good as Khan is almost as ridiculous as having Khan as an ATG

How many British ATGs are there then?

[Stuarty]

saying Crolla is as good as Khan is almost as ridiculous as having Khan as an ATG

How many British ATGs are there then?

I don't know what age you are but in my era not many. As I've said before the term 'great' is overused and Khan doesn't meet the criteria of an ATG. Ridiculous statement.

[Syntax Error]

No.

How far do you want to stretch the term great?

The top 100 or so.

How many British greats do you think there are?

Why won't anyone who says that Khan's not great answer that question?

Great fighters don't usually get violently knocked out 3 times in their primes.

The positives matter more than the negatives.

Khan is very good & game fighter, but it is unlikely he'll be remembered as a great unless he goes on a remarkable run, including avenging all his losses & possibly beating FMJ & Pac.

Ridiculous.

Well, if your 'GREATS' list is 100 or so long, Amir Khan qualifies as a great.

Positives do outweight negatives, but when the negatives are humongous, it's hard to downplay them.

Facing & beating all the best of your era, especially when the era is stacked & avenging defeats are all the hallmarks of ATGs & is not a ridiculous assertion.

[freddydoesdallas]

saying Crolla is as good as Khan is almost as ridiculous as having Khan as an ATG

How many British ATGs are there then?

Greats are the best of the best. As a starting point I might go with 15 actual greats.

Khan is up there with the likes of junior witter, Clinton woods and similar fighters who have picked up a belt but failed to dominate a division or really have a decisive win.

Looking at the last 20 years or so I'd say the only greats are probably Lewis, calzaghe and possibly Hatton.

Truthfully, I think Froch is caught in no man's land between the 2

[Stuarty]

saying Crolla is as good as Khan is almost as ridiculous as having Khan as an ATG

How many British ATGs are there then?

Greats are the best of the best. As a starting point I might go with 15 actual greats.

Khan is up there with the likes of junior witter, Clinton woods and similar fighters who have picked up a belt but failed to dominate a division or really have a decisive win.

Looking at the last 20 years or so I'd say the only greats are probably Lewis, calzaghe and possibly Hatton.

Truthfully, I think Froch is caught in no man's land between the 2

Matter of opinion I suppose but I'd def have Froch in there. He got everything he possibly could have and more out of the ability he had. Same can't be said for Khan. Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career. I'd have guys like Eubank and Benn in no mans land. Legends though but there's a fine line.

[Horse]

Well, if your 'GREATS' list is 100 or so long, Amir Khan qualifies as a great.

Roughly how many British greats do you think there are then?

Roughly how many world greats are there?

Positives do outweight negatives, but when the negatives are humongous, it's hard to downplay them.

It's not that hard. I'm doing it right now.

Facing & beating all the best of your era, especially when the era is stacked & avenging defeats are all the hallmarks of ATGs & is not a ridiculous assertion.

Saying that Khan has to beat Mayweather, Pacquiao and avenge all of his losses to qualify for greatness is ridiculous.

[Horse]

Greats are the best of the best. As a starting point I might go with 15 actual greats.

So Pacquiao isn't a great then? I'm pretty sure that he isn't a top 15 P4Per of all time.

Khan is up there with the likes of junior witter, Clinton woods and similar fighters who have picked up a belt but failed to dominate a division or really have a decisive win.

Looking at the last 20 years or so I'd say the only greats are probably Lewis, calzaghe and possibly Hatton.

Truthfully, I think Froch is caught in no man's land between the 2

Froch is better than Hatton, in my opinion.

[Horse]

Matter of opinion I suppose but I'd def have Froch in there. He got everything he possibly could have and more out of the ability he had. Same can't be said for Khan. Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career.

International Hall of Famer Naseem Hamed isn't a British great?

I'd have guys like Eubank and Benn in no mans land. Legends though but there's a fine line.

They are legends, but not greats?

[freddydoesdallas]

How many British ATGs are there then?

Greats are the best of the best. As a starting point I might go with 15 actual greats.

Khan is up there with the likes of junior witter, Clinton woods and similar fighters who have picked up a belt but failed to dominate a division or really have a decisive win.

Looking at the last 20 years or so I'd say the only greats are probably Lewis, calzaghe and possibly Hatton.

Truthfully, I think Froch is caught in no man's land between the 2

Matter of opinion I suppose but I'd def have Froch in there. He got everything he possibly could have and more out of the ability he had. Same can't be said for Khan. Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career. I'd have guys like Eubank and Benn in no mans land. Legends though but there's a fine line.

It's a tough call in admit and I say it as a fan of Froch. The loss to ward casts too much of a shadow to be called a great and he was never really no1. Froch, like Khan, was great entertainment

[freddydoesdallas]

Greats are the best of the best. As a starting point I might go with 15 actual greats.

So Pacquiao isn't a great then? I'm pretty sure that he isn't a top 15 P4Per of all time.

Khan is up there with the likes of junior witter, Clinton woods and similar fighters who have picked up a belt but failed to dominate a division or really have a decisive win.

Looking at the last 20 years or so I'd say the only greats are probably Lewis, calzaghe and possibly Hatton.

Truthfully, I think Froch is caught in no man's land between the 2

Froch is better than Hatton, in my opinion.

P4P'er list is completely subjective. You've said he's not a great.

[Stuarty]

Matter of opinion I suppose but I'd def have Froch in there. He got everything he possibly could have and more out of the ability he had. Same can't be said for Khan. Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career.

International Hall of Famer Naseem Hamed isn't a British great?

I'd have guys like Eubank and Benn in no mans land. Legends though but there's a fine line.

They are legends, but not greats?

I would have Naz as an ATG absolutely. I grew up in awe of him and he's one of the reasons I and probably 100s of others started boxing. As I said it's a matter of opinion. You see I try and look at things impartially. I am not a pompous wind bag like your good self.

I would say legends and ATGs are again a matter of personal interpretation. Legends of British boxing but just missing out on ATG status.

[Horse]

P4P'er list is completely subjective. You've said he's not a great.

Greatness is completely subjective, if P4P lists are.

So is Pacquiao a great or not?

[Horse]

I would have Naz as an ATG absolutely. I grew up in awe of him and he's one of the reasons I and probably 100s of others started boxing.

Why did you say this then: "Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career." if you are certain?

As I said it's a matter of opinion. You see I try and look at things impartially. I am not a pompous wind bag like your good self.

You actually are quite pompous, but I doubt that you'll be able to see it in yourself.

I would say legends and ATGs are again a matter of personal interpretation. Legends of British boxing but just missing out on ATG status.

So are Eubank and Benn ATLs?

[Boxerbeetle]

Amir Khan is one of the greatest British fighters I have ever seen, and I am one hundred and seventy five years of age.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Matter of opinion I suppose but I'd def have Froch in there. He got everything he possibly could have and more out of the ability he had. Same can't be said for Khan. Possibly Naz though the way his career abruptly ended tarnishes his career.

International Hall of Famer Naseem Hamed isn't a British great?

I'd have guys like Eubank and Benn in no mans land. Legends though but there's a fine line.

They are legends, but not greats?

I would have Naz as an ATG absolutely. I grew up in awe of him and he's one of the reasons I and probably 100s of others started boxing. As I said it's a matter of opinion. You see I try and look at things impartially. I am not a pompous wind bag like your good self.

I would say legends and ATGs are again a matter of personal interpretation. Legends of British boxing but just missing out on ATG status.

Not sure I'd have Naseem in there, great to watch, but lost against the only ATG he faced, and that was effectively the end of his career. He was bloody close to being great, but he needed some other big names, a Barrera, Morales or the like to make his career that bit more special. A bloody good fighter, but not quite up there with the greats for me, but bloody close.