Autobarn wrote:I'm not so sure Khan gets such a "big up".
He just chased the big payday in a fight he could not win. Something he kept asking for with Mayweather and Pacquiao.
Since the Garcia fight Khan hasn't seemed interested in building anything, just looking good (or sometimes not) versus guys who while world class were just right for him. As in underpowered, fast but not as fast as Khan. He's not held a world title for a couple of years now ..............
It's actually 5 years since he won a world title fight.
time flies!
Shi t, that means I'm 35.
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Exemplary performance, faultless even. Against a guy who can make you look bad, dangerous in spurts. But Judah was regarded as the lesser of all the title holders.
As was Kotelnik, whom Khan is quoted calling "the weakest of the light welterweight champions." Just before FW made the fight. Another superb piece of boxing, which cannot be forgotten. But there's another pattern - take on the weakest.
It was a shame Bradley v Alexander disappointed. People did expect a lot of Alexander still, based on his KO of Urango.
Exemplary performance, faultless even. Against a guy who can make you look bad, dangerous in spurts. But Judah was regarded as the lesser of all the title holders.
As was Kotelnik, whom Khan is quoted calling "the weakest of the light welterweight champions." Just before FW made the fight. Another superb piece of boxing, which cannot be forgotten. But there's another pattern - take on the weakest.
It was a shame Bradley v Alexander disappointed. People did expect a lot of Alexander still, based on his KO of Urango.
I scored Alexander vs Kotelnik 117-112 to Kotelnik.
Alexander had lost a fair bit of credibility just before the Bradley fight.
I think Khan's win against Kotelnik is better.
Autobarn wrote:It was the most direct matchup to prove the best at 140 and Khan stayed away.
So who did Khan duck? Or did you mean something else?
Lets be honest tho. If khan had beat bradley he still wouldnt have been the best in the division. I think maidana and the boy roach trained that gave bradley hell would have had something to say about that. As well as others.
We ve been watching boxing long enough just because you can beat one of the best in the division doesnt automatically mean your the best.
That guy paggered bradley pretty badly yet we dont even here of him in the mix. Algeri beat him. But thats the kind of triangles there is in boxing. Styles make fights.
Before anyone starts. The canelo beats khan. Mayweather beats canelo. Khan beats mayweather is not one of them.
Add to that mattyeuse was in that division at that time. Just didnt have the big billing then. He would have beat khan tho. People were fearing for garcia,s life before they fought. Garcia fought a great fight i dont think khan would have been able to do the same. Mattyeuse would have caught up with him.
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Its not round and its not square its flat like ur personality pal
Yes my personality is grounded and not extreme like yours, not all over the place, not flakey and I think before I post. I am not emotionally attached to khan like you.
Haha,im not emotionly attached to any fighter i just wanna see the best fights out ther and at present the best fight for khan from a fans point of view would be brook. Yes he could fight garcia and if i was khan that would be the fight i would want but as a brit and khan and brook are both from these shores i would love to see this fight. He could fight thurman too or porter or broner,probably broner would be the biggest money out of these fights
thechump wrote:
Its not round and its not square its flat like ur personality pal
Yes my personality is grounded and not extreme like yours, not all over the place, not flakey and I think before I post. I am not emotionally attached to khan like you.
Haha,im not emotionly attached to any fighter i just wanna see the best fights out ther and at present the best fight for khan from a fans point of view would be brook. Yes he could fight garcia and if i was khan that would be the fight i would want but as a brit and khan and brook are both from these shores i would love to see this fight. He could fight thurman too or porter or broner,probably broner would be the biggest money out of these fights
I would like to see any of them fights, Brook is a great fight, but if Khan revenged Garcia and picked up his title, then the Brook fight would be massive.
Autobarn wrote:Maybe Amir Khan's worst piece of luck is that Victor Ortiz imploded during opportunities that would have granted him a big fight. If Khan had been able to defend his titles vs Ortiz it could've been the juicy payday and the defining fight on a big stage he could've won. The stage was set for Ortiz who gave up during his fight with Marcos Maidana. It's a shame Khan v Ortiz never happened. Ortiz just didn't have it mentally despite Ring Mag using rhetoric at every opportunity to hint at us why boxing needs Ortiz. If Khan-Ortiz happened, and was exciting, you have a career defining rivalry. Maybe more than one fight.
Anyway, regarding haters. People who follow boxing for one fighter usually use the term hater when someone is critical of their fighter. I don't hate Khan but it's easy to root against him - and has been since the very beginning. It was easy to root against him during the Limond and Gomez fights when a blown up super feather decked the massive lightweight. It was easy to laugh in cynicism when he was blown out in a minute by unknownPrescott in a fight they had the nerve to sell as a PPV.
To his credit he won two light welter titles, but not against Tim Bradley, the major threat at the weight who defeated Devon Alexander in a unification fight. He's the only Brit to win the fight of the year according to the BWAA. But in that fight he was hurt and actually turned his back on his opponent when the onslaught was too much - I feel this tainted his victory over Maidana.
Khan bravely or stupidly challenged for the lineal middleweight title, a title tainted by the antics of Cotto who began the weight stipulations nonsense against a 40 year old Sergio Martiez (who also wasn't allowed to wear the two knee braces he needed) that continued through Cotto-Geale and prevented the championship being contested over 155-pounds which continued when Cotto surrender the title pretty dismally to Alvarez...Had Khan won this title would likely have been devalued even further given his desire to face Vijender Singh in Indonesia in his next fight (unless Alvarez exercised the rematch clause of course). If the WBC wouldn't sanction Khan would probably have vacated and kept the abstract lineal title which American networks help to promote. I'm not certain boxing needed that.
Khan stopped Ortiz in the 2nd round when they met in the amateurs, don't understand your logic ? You defend so called haters and then hate lol. You highlight Bradley's win against Alexander that was from a clash of heads, when Khan schooled Alexander. Bradley pulled out of the unification fight with Khan, You somehow find a negative in Khan's win over Maidana, yet Khan won nearly all the rounds and dropped Maidana, something Mayweather could not do, twice, whilst Maidana dropped Broner on the way to to beating him and Maidana knocked out your Ortiz, yet could not even drop Khan, even though he hurt him, what world do you live in ?
How many times do you use the word "hate?" For you it is a verbal tic. I can't take you seriously. Talk about digging a bigger hole for yourself, admit you are wrong and move on.
Khan barely beat Makdans, nearly got stopped and turned his back on him in the 10th. Another referee may have stopped him believing he couldn't continue. He probably couldn't continue without the respite he bought himself. He could have been DQ'd, or he could've had a point taken. That was an infraction. But I gave him credit for getting the win in a exciting fight, the only fight won by a Brit that the boxing writers of America voted fight of the year.
I'm not criticising Khan for not fighting Ortiz. You emotional ones never read things properly. I'm saying that would have been a nice stage for Khan because of the way the marketable and apparently exciting Ortiz had been built up. Sadly Ortiz just couldn't get it together when it mattered. They would've been natural rivals and it would have been lucrative. Before Canelo there was Ortiz but Ortiz sadly kept falling apart and didn't become the star America wanted him to be.
Khan would've defended the Lineal middleweight title, that belonged to Robinson, Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins, Martinez with distinction. Against Singh. So it's a good job he was beaten by Alvarez.
Unless garcias finished or seen better days which on evidence shows might be the case. Khan wont be beating him. Will go exactly how the first fight went.
If you get the chance anzi go back and watch the first fight.
Without the knockout punch....that fight was gonna end up garcia chasing khan round the ring regardless.
Exemplary performance, faultless even. Against a guy who can make you look bad, dangerous in spurts. But Judah was regarded as the lesser of all the title holders.
As was Kotelnik, whom Khan is quoted calling "the weakest of the light welterweight champions." Just before FW made the fight. Another superb piece of boxing, which cannot be forgotten. But there's another pattern - take on the weakest.
It was a shame Bradley v Alexander disappointed. People did expect a lot of Alexander still, based on his KO of Urango.
I scored Alexander vs Kotelnik 117-112 to Kotelnik.
Alexander had lost a fair bit of credibility just before the Bradley fight.
I think Khan's win against Kotelnik is better.
Autobarn wrote:It was the most direct matchup to prove the best at 140 and Khan stayed away.
So who did Khan duck? Or did you mean something else?
And I scored Khan v Maidana a draw, and Alexander would shut out Maidana, so what?
I believe Khan let Bradley and Alexander do all the hard work in the division. That Khan beat a pair of title holders at 140, but took on the least threatening available, something his own words regarding Kotelnik would partially back up. It's very probable he was banking on a fight with Victor Ortiz, which would've had more crossover appeal, on a bigger stage and would've cemented the winner as the money fighter at 140. But sadly this didn't work out, as has already been discussed. And Khan beat the man who beat Ortiz. I won't call Khan a ducker, he fights world class opponents. He's just very diplomatic and indirect. I feel he'd never take a big risk unless for a big payday. Hence why he fights the "weakest of the world champions" like Kotelnik and Judah. And why he treated water somewhat the last few years, fighting Collazo, Alexander, Algieri, before getting annihilated by Alvarez for bigger money.
bbjc wrote:Garcia starting to look a spent force but if hes not i see him knocking khan out in much the same way again. Hes still getting hit with the same punch since that fight even against lesser opponents.
Looks a good cv there mate. Admittedly i know very little about k1 and ufc. Think rousey and mcgregors about the extent of my knowledge. Lol. Good luck with it.
I felt Garcia's first punch was a little lucky last time, he just dropped his head and winged in the hook, where Alvarez set him up with his shot, but after the first knock down, Khan did not recover and got put down 2 more times, Khan was winning until then, but Khan seems to lose concentration in fights. You have to hand it to Garcia, nobody has beat him yet and the power he showed against Khan was not a one off, he did it to Morales as well. Thanks mate, my background was martial arts, I got into boxing because my son was a good Amateur and pro, will continue to try and find talent, wish I had Gallagher's record on the boxing front lol.
Only thing i disagree with in that post mate was the lucky punch. Garcia was trying it from about round 2. Freddy roach continually told khan to throw one or two shots and get out. Dont stay there for too long. I actually remember coming on either this forum or the boxrec one during round 2 saying khans gonna get caught. You could see it happening before it happened. At that point khan was dominating the fight.
The morales one was a belter. If i remember right morales spun round on impact.
Cant complain too much about having gallachers record mate. Seems like you ve done no to bad yourself.
Maybe " lucky punch " might be a bit harsh, because Garcia is a good fighter and he did start to throw with Khan, maybe because of Khan's speed, funny you should say that about seeing it coming, I felt the same way in the Alvarez fight, a round before the Ko, noticed Alvarez was trying to throw with Khan, that is the way to land against Khan. Never seen Morales get hurt like that before and thanks for the nice comments mate.
bbjc wrote:Unless garcias finished or seen better days which on evidence shows might be the case. Khan wont be beating him. Will go exactly how the first fight went.
If you get the chance anzi go back and watch the first fight.
Without the knockout punch....that fight was gonna end up garcia chasing khan round the ring regardless.
I think khan beats garcia he is a better boxer than garcia and up to the point he got dropped garcia was getting schooled by khan
bbjc wrote:Unless garcias finished or seen better days which on evidence shows might be the case. Khan wont be beating him. Will go exactly how the first fight went.
If you get the chance anzi go back and watch the first fight.
Without the knockout punch....that fight was gonna end up garcia chasing khan round the ring regardless.
I think khan beats garcia he is a better boxer than garcia and up to the point he got dropped garcia was getting schooled by khan
Watch the fight again mate try not to listen to jim watts commentary and dannys dad in the corner. Before watching it last nite i had the exact same opinion that khan was schooling him completely till danny came out with the big punch.
I think the first round khan caused him problems but garcia knew he was gonna win that fight. If you get the chance watch it. Forgot how much of a beating garcia gave him after the first knock down. To khans credit he gave everything he had to get back into the fight.
bbjc wrote:Unless garcias finished or seen better days which on evidence shows might be the case. Khan wont be beating him. Will go exactly how the first fight went.
If you get the chance anzi go back and watch the first fight.
Without the knockout punch....that fight was gonna end up garcia chasing khan round the ring regardless.
I think khan beats garcia he is a better boxer than garcia and up to the point he got dropped garcia was getting schooled by khan
Watch the fight again mate try not to listen to jim watts commentary and dannys dad in the corner. Before watching it last nite i had the exact same opinion that khan was schooling him completely till danny came out with the big punch.
I think the first round khan caused him problems but garcia knew he was gonna win that fight. If you get the chance watch it. Forgot how much of a beating garcia gave him after the first knock down. To khans credit he gave everything he had to get back into the fight.
Will do mate,i havent watched that fight since the night of it,jim watt can sway opinions thats why i usually watch fights without volume
Anzi wrote: Yes my personality is grounded and not extreme like yours, not all over the place, not flakey and I think before I post. I am not emotionally attached to khan like you.
Haha,im not emotionly attached to any fighter i just wanna see the best fights out ther and at present the best fight for khan from a fans point of view would be brook. Yes he could fight garcia and if i was khan that would be the fight i would want but as a brit and khan and brook are both from these shores i would love to see this fight. He could fight thurman too or porter or broner,probably broner would be the biggest money out of these fights
I would like to see any of them fights, Brook is a great fight, but if Khan revenged Garcia and picked up his title, then the Brook fight would be massive.
Firstly, Khan is (objectively) far likely to end up unconscious after a fight with Garcia rather than the victor. This would likely rule out Khan-Brook ever taking place.
Secondly, Khan-Brook is already a massive fight and doesnt need another world belt to add to the occasion.
Khan is simply disingenuous by pumping out all and every excuse in his attempt to justify avoid fighting Brook. Im sure the Brook fight generates Khan his biggest career payday and would certainly see him fight in front of a career high live crowd as well as giving him the chance to win another world title.
Khan can suggest that a Brook fight doesnt matter that much. But as can be seen from Groves-Froch 2, the wider British public would lap up such a fight and show genuine interest. The wider British public dont really know about Amir Khan the professional fighter or his pro career to date. A win against Brook would see him become a truly huge British sports star.
