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Calzaghe the manager
Re: Calzaghe the manager
To shy and retiring.
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handsofstone
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Re: Calzaghe the manager
A chip of the old blockRexob wrote:To shy and retiring.
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I haven't got a clue. He was a great and unusual sort of fighter but as far as being a manager goes...
He obviously knows the game well enough, has he got the interpersonal skills? I don't know, maybe he does
He obviously knows the game well enough, has he got the interpersonal skills? I don't know, maybe he does
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I'm sure he trained using an awful lot of old techniques. Unless he's been swotting up then I'm sceptical. Calzaghe the fighter had an unteachable talent.
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He has said he has no interest in being a trainer or a promoter and wants to manage boxers.Stuarty30 wrote:I'm sure he trained using an awful lot of old techniques. Unless he's been swotting up then I'm sceptical. Calzaghe the fighter had an unteachable talent.
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Ahh I seebripez wrote:He has said he has no interest in being a trainer or a promoter and wants to manage boxers.Stuarty30 wrote:I'm sure he trained using an awful lot of old techniques. Unless he's been swotting up then I'm sceptical. Calzaghe the fighter had an unteachable talent.
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handsofstone
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Re: Calzaghe the manager
BISH BASH BOSH 
Sorry i know he's not training fighters but I couldn't resist
Sorry i know he's not training fighters but I couldn't resist
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Stevieb8006
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it'll go the same way as the promotional company, and Naz "career" as a manager.
They get bored in retirement but cant actually be arsed to put the effort in to making it work.
Hes already said "i'm too busy to do it full time" or words to that effect. Imagine if you were a young prospect hearing that from your manager.
I think this why they all end up making friends with alledgedly in retirement, they start to realise he didnt just take money, but actually did a bit of graft.
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Yeah he definitely has the contacts.
Does he have the knowledge to build a fighter up? Who's shows would his fighters be on?
Does he have the knowledge to build a fighter up? Who's shows would his fighters be on?
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Big difference between manager and promoter isn't there.
Not enough talent and tv deals to support an abundance of managers and promoters I the UK. Real talent need a TV deal. Can Joe get access to the promoters with TV deals? Or secure a fighter who demands their attention?
Not enough talent and tv deals to support an abundance of managers and promoters I the UK. Real talent need a TV deal. Can Joe get access to the promoters with TV deals? Or secure a fighter who demands their attention?
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Great boxer and has a lot of experience. however just like Naz, if I was an up and coming fighter no way would I sign with him or someone who has had the limelight. People like Calzaghe still relish the stardom and will steal the show. they also have so many outside interests that they would not do as good a job as somebody who knows boxing as well but as not been the star of the show
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Joe's seems possibly too emotional than rational to act as a manager. Unless he's changed dramatically since retirement, he would not be a good fit for such a role. It would probably make him ill.
His business sense was at best, questionable, when he was the marquee fighter splitting 50/50 with Roy Jones who'd previously been sat ringside for Marcus Beyer's return in front of audience of about 75 people, whoring himself for another pay day.
I'd imagine Roy Jones must have thought all his Christmases came at once when the Calzaghe fight came along, with such a financial split attached to it.
Also the severance from FW was completely out of the blue. Even if his reasons were justified, you'd have to wonder how it got to that position that he had to walk away. A good business manager would have absolute visibility regarding all affairs between their man and any interested parties such as promoters, tv networks and sponsors.
A good manager operates in a fair and transparent manner for the wellbeing of their client. I think someone whom has baggage from messy splits and bad memories of situations, doesn't just bring their 'experience' to the table, they also bring open wounds and emotions.
A terrific manager would have shielded a fighter from any messy negotiations. Likewise if the fighter had lofty and unrealistic ideas of what a situation could bring them, a decent handler would keep their feet planted on the ground. Many a boxer has undergone a huge transformation when the money and adulation rolls in.
Some boxers sack their coaches, managers, teams on a regular basis as they feel it's others to blame, not themselves. Some jump promoters, tv stations and sponsors from fight to fight - so boxers can often be far trickier to deal with than the companies interested in working with them.
In closing, a good manager strikes a deal where everyone wins and nobody feels they have been shafted. Then after the deal is struck, they climb on their flying pig and head home.
His business sense was at best, questionable, when he was the marquee fighter splitting 50/50 with Roy Jones who'd previously been sat ringside for Marcus Beyer's return in front of audience of about 75 people, whoring himself for another pay day.
I'd imagine Roy Jones must have thought all his Christmases came at once when the Calzaghe fight came along, with such a financial split attached to it.
Also the severance from FW was completely out of the blue. Even if his reasons were justified, you'd have to wonder how it got to that position that he had to walk away. A good business manager would have absolute visibility regarding all affairs between their man and any interested parties such as promoters, tv networks and sponsors.
A good manager operates in a fair and transparent manner for the wellbeing of their client. I think someone whom has baggage from messy splits and bad memories of situations, doesn't just bring their 'experience' to the table, they also bring open wounds and emotions.
A terrific manager would have shielded a fighter from any messy negotiations. Likewise if the fighter had lofty and unrealistic ideas of what a situation could bring them, a decent handler would keep their feet planted on the ground. Many a boxer has undergone a huge transformation when the money and adulation rolls in.
Some boxers sack their coaches, managers, teams on a regular basis as they feel it's others to blame, not themselves. Some jump promoters, tv stations and sponsors from fight to fight - so boxers can often be far trickier to deal with than the companies interested in working with them.
In closing, a good manager strikes a deal where everyone wins and nobody feels they have been shafted. Then after the deal is struck, they climb on their flying pig and head home.
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You would expect that anybody going into a new venture would be full of enthusiasm, you wouldn't expect them to come out with the following :
"Promoting is a no-no - that's hard work. Training is a full-time job, but I don't have time to do that full-time," he said.
It is like he wants to keep busy (but not too busy) and involved in boxing, and by deduction came up with being a manager as requiring the least effort - not exactly inspiring stuff.
"Promoting is a no-no - that's hard work. Training is a full-time job, but I don't have time to do that full-time," he said.
It is like he wants to keep busy (but not too busy) and involved in boxing, and by deduction came up with being a manager as requiring the least effort - not exactly inspiring stuff.
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I think it's good he wants to remain involved, I'm just not sure managing would be something he would find fulfilling or easy.
I think coaching and training would be a better fit, because that's where his strengths and experience lays.
I think coaching and training would be a better fit, because that's where his strengths and experience lays.
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bigjack
- Heavyweight
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G0mez wrote:I think it's good he wants to remain involved, I'm just not sure managing would be something he would find fulfilling or easy.
I think coaching and training would be a better fit, because that's where his strengths and experience lays.
x2 I just can't see it working out for him.
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Calzaghe would have cemented his lagacy As an all time great had he done what Hopkins did to pavlik. At the time Pavlik looked amazing....such a shame.
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He should really be training fighters...all that knowledge, world class experience and his old man's set-up out in the sticks that means anyone he takes-on has to live and breathe boxing. He'd find fresh talent or turn folk around.
Trouble is that Joe just does not actually need to be up at six to oversee a run or spend hours with the pads and I am not sure he ever loved this life as a fighter either; so he's opted for the halfway house of being a manager.
Maybe he and Lockett should be clubbing together and creating a decent partnership...which sees Joe not having to do all the slog but also being part of the training programme? Or he just takes on someone like Cordina and gives him his individual attention.
Trouble is that Joe just does not actually need to be up at six to oversee a run or spend hours with the pads and I am not sure he ever loved this life as a fighter either; so he's opted for the halfway house of being a manager.
Maybe he and Lockett should be clubbing together and creating a decent partnership...which sees Joe not having to do all the slog but also being part of the training programme? Or he just takes on someone like Cordina and gives him his individual attention.