asdfjkl wrote:Just about everything around Deontay Wilder is corrupt, it's obvious for many many years now in a row, especially when it comes to Povetkin and now matter how obvious it is, there are allways idiots out there that claim it to be the other way around.
Everything around Haymon is corrupt, and Wilder is just one of illustrations of that.
Whereas those Russian cats are pretty much boy scouts, ethically speaking
Definitely not. Corruption is a normal thing in Russia.
SFW wrote: Povetkin was suspicious long before he tested positive for a banned substance. He got caught. Everything said since the moment he actually got caught doing what many have suspected, has been damage control
You're really stupid... He wasn't caught because he always PASSED EVERY PED test. There is proof beyond any question that Povetkin passed all his tests with flying colors.. His concentrations were 7% of what an allowable concentration of Meldonium is.. So you are simply stupid.. He had traces of Meldonium.. YOU have traces of arsenic in your blood.. You have traces of Strontium-90 in your system.. Enough to cause cancer?? Probably not.. You probably have problematic traces of chlorine in your blood.. The drinking of chlorinated water has been officially linked to a 38% increased incidence of cancer but we still purify our water with it or worse would happen to us. There's still an allowable standard of 4 ppm.. The thing is tests are sensitive. Everyone has a trace of about everything.. but if it falls below the standard it's safe to eat or drink or you pass the test.
Badhusker wrote:The only thing that makes sense is that Kalan must be Povetkin's promoter, or paid by him
I can't believe this sht. Are you SAYING Povetkin's tested HIGHER than the legal concentration for Meldonium??? Inconsistent with somebody who HASN'T taken Meldonium since WELL BEFORE IT WAS BANNED???? ... Or that he FAILED the standard for ANY OTHER PED???
WTF IS YOUR PROOF!!!!!! SHOW IT!!!! ... Don't just make stupid, mindless statements without checking out the FACTS
Counter-puncher wrote:
Whereas those Russian cats are pretty much boy scouts, ethically speaking
Definitely not. Corruption is a normal thing in Russia.
And that's based on? Especially compared to America?
Based on my 30+ year experience living there and everything I read about it. Government employee (starting from a certain level) is the most profitable profession there, as you can't do anything without bribing them. In order to get a 3-million dollar project, a company needs to pay 2 million in bribes. Russians are used to that and use that experience when dealing with WBA, WBC, etc.
P.S. It is not just Russians. How do you think Shumenov managed to get a WBA title when losing to Campillo, then get promoted to a super champion and not defend it for years or defend against tomato cans ? Then he got an interim title at the next weight class by running the whole fight and barely touching his opponent. This is a perfect example when Eastern corruption links with Western (Shumenov + Haymon).
runner_phob wrote: P.S. It is not just Russians. How do you think Shumenov managed to get a WBA title when losing to Campillo, then get promoted to a super champion and not defend it for years or defend against tomato cans ? Then he got an interim title at the next weight class by running the whole fight and barely touching his opponent. This is a perfect example when Eastern corruption links with Western (Shumenov + Haymon).
Those Shumenov fights are ALL WESTERN corruption.. The scandalous Campillo fight came in Navada with 2 of the most notoriously corrupt officials who continue to get work and get appointed to fights where there are dubious outcomes. The WBA has always been controlled by the West, but for the past 42 years it's been controlled by Latin America, particularly Panama, but it's extremely corrupt. It's obvious the judges in the Campillo title winning fight were paid off by Shumenov himself. He basically sold the title to Bernard Hopkins and B-Hop beat him easily at 49 years of age. I mean he didn't beat him as thoroughly as Campillo did but he did get the decision. The only Title Fight Shumenov had out of 7 that was outside the US was a title defense versus 41-year-old Wm Joppy who was awarded a title shot coming off a 3-fight winless streak. I think that one was on the up and up. lol.
actjac wrote:Corruption in boxing is not a news flash.. . . .There is corruption in congress, in the Vatican and in banking. . . .Your conspiracy theory is a bit over the top though. . . . But remember it's still always about money and about control.
In the Vatican and the SAD part is that your right.
jujigatame wrote:This makes no sense. Why would anyone rig the testing process to get the fight canceled? Corruption only makes sense if someone benefits financially.
Use your brain. They benefit MASSIVELY if they can disrupt and kill a Russian Boxing Promotion and drive a rival promoter out of the business. Russia has now captured several major Boxing matches and Haymon and the WBC are not happy about that. They will have to bid bigger to get major fights which knocks down their profit margin. They view this as WAR and will use every ruthless tool at their disposal to knock these guys out.
jujigatame wrote:This makes no sense. Why would anyone rig the testing process to get the fight canceled? Corruption only makes sense if someone benefits financially.
Use your brain. They benefit MASSIVELY if they can disrupt and kill a Russian Boxing Promotion and drive a rival promoter out of the business. Russia has now captured several major Boxing matches and Haymon and the WBC are not happy about that. They will have to bid bigger to get major fights which knocks down their profit margin. They view this as WAR and will use every ruthless tool at their disposal to knock these guys out.
You are living in an overly dramatic fantasy world. There are extremely few situations where Haymon will find himself in competition with Russian promoters, his biggest competition is with Top Rank and Golden Boy in the US. In no way will this "drive [Ryabinsky] out of business" anyway.
runner_phob wrote: P.S. It is not just Russians. How do you think Shumenov managed to get a WBA title when losing to Campillo, then get promoted to a super champion and not defend it for years or defend against tomato cans ? Then he got an interim title at the next weight class by running the whole fight and barely touching his opponent. This is a perfect example when Eastern corruption links with Western (Shumenov + Haymon).
Those Shumenov fights are ALL WESTERN corruption.. The scandalous Campillo fight came in Navada with 2 of the most notoriously corrupt officials who continue to get work and get appointed to fights where there are dubious outcomes. The WBA has always been controlled by the West, but for the past 42 years it's been controlled by Latin America, particularly Panama, but it's extremely corrupt. It's obvious the judges in the Campillo title winning fight were paid off by Shumenov himself. He basically sold the title to Bernard Hopkins and B-Hop beat him easily at 49 years of age. I mean he didn't beat him as thoroughly as Campillo did but he did get the decision. The only Title Fight Shumenov had out of 7 that was outside the US was a title defense versus 41-year-old Wm Joppy who was awarded a title shot coming off a 3-fight winless streak. I think that one was on the up and up. lol.
Shumenov was promoting himself. He was the one who "interested" the judges.
Serragon wrote:I dont' think the WBC has screwed anyone over. Last I heard they were postponing the fight while investigating. Seems like the prudent thing to do. All of the other rheotoric is coming from the Wilder and Povetkin camps, not the WBC
Why would the WBC postpone the fight??? There's NO reason on EARTH to postpone it. Povetkin tested WELL within concentrations allowed for Meldonium so the whole thing is a Tempest in a Teapot. Povetkin would have to have more than 15 X as much Meldonium in his blood to be in violation of WADA drug policy... The ONLY reason to disrupt and postpone this fight is to KILL it and drive out a rival promoter in Russia so he DOESN'T outbid American promoters in future big fights that would be highly profitable for American promoters. This is so transparent it stinks.
Serragon wrote:The IBF was simply enforcing its rules
The WEREN'T enforcing their rules. Their rules call for a voluntary defense following capturing a title. Neither Glazkov or Martin were top contender by ANY STRETCH of the imagination. So justice WASN'T being served by championing a long standing top contender into a title shot. Fury paid a sanctioning fee for that belt and they wanted MORE quick fees as fast as possible... They also wanted to get Martin a free title by getting him a weak opponent in Glazkov... They KNEW Fury wasn't going to accept the Glazkov "mandatory" ... They're not unhappy with Joshua crushing Martin for the belt because he'll defend it often and pay lots of fees.. Breazeale is another putz.. So while Fury will now spend months preparing for what would have been his FIRST defense of the IBF belt they have already racked up TWO FEES from the Glazkov-Martin fight and the Joshua-Martin fight... That was the whole idea behind stripping Fury ... another scam on the public and as much money in their pockets as possible.
jujigatame wrote:This makes no sense. Why would anyone rig the testing process to get the fight canceled? Corruption only makes sense if someone benefits financially.
Use your brain. They benefit MASSIVELY if they can disrupt and kill a Russian Boxing Promotion and drive a rival promoter out of the business. Russia has now captured several major Boxing matches and Haymon and the WBC are not happy about that. They will have to bid bigger to get major fights which knocks down their profit margin. They view this as WAR and will use every ruthless tool at their disposal to knock these guys out.
You are living in an overly dramatic fantasy world. There are extremely few situations where Haymon will find himself in competition with Russian promoters, his biggest competition is with Top Rank and Golden Boy in the US. In no way will this "drive [Ryabinsky] out of business" anyway.
You're not thinking very clearly. American promoters were pissed as Hell that Russia outbid them on THIS FIGHT WITH THEIR CHAMPION. They know this is only the beginning, because open your eyes and look at the TREND... Povetkin has been fighting in Russia instead of AMERICA where ALL 20th Century European Heavyweight Champions (Schmeling, Carnera, Johansson, Lewis) have fought MOST of their World Title fights. But all 21st Century European Heavyweight Champions: Haye, the Klitschko Bros, Joshua, Fury, and now possibly Povetkin, prefer fighting in Europe. If Povetkin to grabs a World Title that process continues. For American promoters that's an alarming trend. They want to keep the Boxing Business and World Titles out of European hands by any means possible. Planting a million FALSE stories that Povetkin is a drug cheat, and KILLING the Wilder-Povetkin fight are one method they're trying. It's ruthless, underhanded, cynical, unethical, cutthroat, and cold blooded. That's Boxing American Style.
Ok champ, whatever you say. They paid off VADA and the WBC to falsify test results to stop their fighter (who had already flown to Europe for the fight) from getting a $5m payday in some vague and unlikely hope of reducing the influence of a single Russian promoter, who they'd never had any dealings with before. Whatever you say.
As if business in Russia is any less "ruthless, underhanded, cynical, unethical, cutthroat, and cold blooded" than in the US. Laughable.
jujigatame wrote:Ok champ, whatever you say. They paid off VADA and the WBC to falsify test results to stop their fighter (who had already flown to Europe for the fight) from getting a $5m payday in some vague and unlikely hope of reducing the influence of a single Russian promoter, who they'd never had any dealings with before. Whatever you say.
As if business in Russia is any less "ruthless, underhanded, cynical, unethical, cutthroat, and cold blooded" than in the US. Laughable.
jujigatame wrote:Ok champ, whatever you say. They paid off VADA and the WBC to falsify test results to stop their fighter (who had already flown to Europe for the fight) from getting a $5m payday in some vague and unlikely hope of reducing the influence of a single Russian promoter, who they'd never had any dealings with before. Whatever you say.
As if business in Russia is any less "ruthless, underhanded, cynical, unethical, cutthroat, and cold blooded" than in the US. Laughable.
jujigatame wrote:They paid off VADA and the WBC to falsify test results to stop their fighter (who had already flown to Europe
Wilder NEVER DID fly to Europe... That's another PHONY STORY that was planted.. POVETKIN'S SIDE OF THE STORY is being SHUT OUT in the American media... Povetkin NEVER FAILED ANY TEST FOR ANY PED... To FAIL a PED test you have to have MORE the allowed amount of a banned substance in your system. Povetkin would have had to have more than 15 X the amount of Meldonium in his system and the Russian promoters are NOT going to get stand there and take this... American courts are corrupt too... but they're going to take their chances. Pacquiao won in American courts when he sued Mayweather and Golden Boy for making false and malicious statements.
jujigatame wrote:They paid off VADA and the WBC to falsify test results to stop their fighter (who had already flown to Europe
Wilder NEVER DID fly to Europe... That's another PHONY STORY that was planted.. POVETKIN'S SIDE OF THE STORY is being SHUT OUT in the American media... Povetkin NEVER FAILED ANY TEST FOR ANY PED... To FAIL a PED test you have to have MORE the allowed amount of a banned substance in your system. Povetkin would have had to have more than 15 X the amount of Meldonium in his system and the Russian promoters are NOT going to get stand there and take this... American courts are corrupt too... but they're going to take their chances. Pacquiao won in American courts when he sued Mayweather and Golden Boy for making false and malicious statements.
Wait, you're now claiming that Deontay Wilder has not been training in England? That the reports that say he's been training there for this fight were lies? That interviews with him that were taken there were also falsified? Good lord.
You're also ignoring something about the "allowed amount" of meldonium. The only reason there's an allowed amount is because it was only banned like 6 months ago. Athletes aren't supposed to be taking it at all anymore, but they put in an allowance because the ban is recent.
Why are you even prattling on about the allowed amount anyway if you believe the results were falsified? Why would they falsify a positive test under the allowed amount? More things that make absolutely no sense about your gibberish theory.
jujigatame wrote:[Wait, you're now claiming that Deontay Wilder has not been training in England?
He never flew to Eastern Europe... England is not even part of the European Union or mainland and it's a long way from Russia... There are many stories in the media that he flew to Russia and he never did... You would think he would fly there to get acclimated to the time zone so that is another thing that is really suspicious... They were cooking up this PED scheme and didn't let him even fly in to Russia to acclimate.
jujigatame wrote:This makes no sense. Why would anyone rig the testing process to get the fight canceled? Corruption only makes sense if someone benefits financially.
Use your brain. They benefit MASSIVELY if they can disrupt and kill a Russian Boxing Promotion and drive a rival promoter out of the business. Russia has now captured several major Boxing matches and Haymon and the WBC are not happy about that. They will have to bid bigger to get major fights which knocks down their profit margin. They view this as WAR and will use every ruthless tool at their disposal to knock these guys out.
Haymoms just robbed around $500,000,000, I hardly think he needs to pull ruse like this to make a buck.
jujigatame wrote:[Wait, you're now claiming that Deontay Wilder has not been training in England?
He never flew to Eastern Europe... England is not even part of the European Union or mainland and it's a long way from Russia... There are many stories in the media that he flew to Russia and he never did... You would think he would fly there to get acclimated to the time zone so that is another thing that is really suspicious... They were cooking up this PED scheme and didn't let him even fly in to Russia to acclimate.
I said he's in Europe. England is in Europe. He's in Europe. England is has a 6 hour time difference with Alabama, but only a 3 hour difference with Moscow. That's why he's there.
Your theory doesn't hold water. Hell, you haven't even presented a coherent theory. Are you even claiming the test results were falsified? Or that they were legitimate and that the WBC was paid off to cancel the fight?
jujigatame wrote:They paid off VADA and the WBC to falsify test results to stop their fighter (who had already flown to Europe
Wilder NEVER DID fly to Europe... That's another PHONY STORY that was planted.. POVETKIN'S SIDE OF THE STORY is being SHUT OUT in the American media... Povetkin NEVER FAILED ANY TEST FOR ANY PED... To FAIL a PED test you have to have MORE the allowed amount of a banned substance in your system. Povetkin would have had to have more than 15 X the amount of Meldonium in his system and the Russian promoters are NOT going to get stand there and take this... American courts are corrupt too... but they're going to take their chances. Pacquiao won in American courts when he sued Mayweather and Golden Boy for making false and malicious statements.
Why are you even prattling on about the allowed amount anyway if you believe the results were falsified? Why would they falsify a positive test under the allowed amount? More things that make absolutely no sense about your gibberish theory.
The guys an idiot, he's tripping over his own argument.
If they were gonna rig the test they would have found way more of the stuff in the results. And the amount allowed doesn't matter if it's rigged--you can't have it both ways.
This is the same guy who said wilt Chamberlin would have easily beaten Ali with 6 months of training and that Anthony Joshua hits harder than george foreman.
Cygnus475 wrote:If they were gonna rig the test they would have found way more of the stuff in the results. And the amount allowed doesn't matter if it's rigged--you can't have it both ways. This is the same guy who said wilt Chamberlin would have easily beaten Ali with 6 months of training and that Anthony Joshua hits harder than george foreman.
They DIDN'T RIG any test you idiot... Povetkin had 1/15th of the allowable concentration in his blood so he PASSED the test... They're not talking about WHETHER Povetkin passed or failed the test idiot... They KNOW he PASSED the test.. He had an allowable trace of Meldonium in his blood and they're saying he had it in his blood so they have to do further checking and they don't have to... They're not saying how much of it the test found they NOT telling you it was below the allowable concentration because that would be a LIE.. They're They're NOT saying he failed the test because THAT would be a LIE.. NO testing organization is claiming Povetkin failed ANY test... They're postponing the fight and doing a further investigation. For what??? Because they're abusing they're power and they want to KILL the fight. If they try that they'll end up in court.
And if you don't agree that Wilt would beat Ali with 6 months of training by world class trainers, or that Joshua punches harder than Foreman state your stupid argument.. You have none.. Ali wouldn't sign the painstakingly negotiated contract to fight Chamberlain so he KNEW he'd get knocked out.. And in Foreman's 16th pro fight he couldn't knock out a Light Heavyweight - who was previously beaten 5 times and knocked out twice. It was the 3rd time an opponent with previous KO losses went the distance with Foreman.. In Joshua 16th pro fight he won a World Heavyweight Title over a big heavyweight who'd never been beaten or knocked down before, and it was his 16th straight KO in 16 fights.
and the SAD part is that your right. 
boxing becoming a CON act.
