POVETKIN DID NOT FAIL HIS DRUG TEST

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Exactly, all you need is a brain to realize that Povetkin was on PED's. Makes sense with his recently found KO power that he never had before.

[runner_phob]

Exactly, all you need is a brain to realize that Povetkin was on PED's. Makes sense with his recently found KO power that he never had before.

Meldonium doesn't add KO power. He may be on something else the same way as Wilder and most of the other top boxers, but they haven't been caught.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Exactly, all you need is a brain to realize that Povetkin was on PED's. Makes sense with his recently found KO power that he never had before.

Meldonium doesn't add KO power. He may be on something else the same way as Wilder and most of the other top boxers, but they haven't been caught.

Increased stamina is increased everything.

[PsychoGamerTwo]

He did. /topic

[ttornado]

Meldonium doesn't add KO power.

Except for Perez (who hasn't been the same since the Abdusalamov fight) it has been late stoppages, so that fits the profile of the KO coming from improved stamina.

[asdfjkl]

Exactly, all you need is a brain to realize that Povetkin was on PED's. Makes sense with his recently found KO power that he never had before.

Meldonium doesn't add KO power. He may be on something else the same way as Wilder and most of the other top boxers, but they haven't been caught.

Increased stamina is increased everything.

His stamina is barely increased, a aspirine increases your stamina a lot more as the amount of maldonium Povetkin has left in his body.
A bottle of beer probably increases your stamina even. Not your KO power btw, but your stamina in some way, yes it does.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[davie]

Did everyone know nicotine and caffeine are on the Watch List this year...that everyone allowed to use performance enhancing asthma drugs...that testing over the limit for Clenbutorol if you're Mexican can go without punishment..

Not saying Povetkin is innocent, but WADA really are a bunch of inconsistent baboons

What is the Asthma drug?
Think I might be on it
I've got an inhaler with salmeterol & fluticasone propionate.
If they're performance enhancing I might start taking a couple extra puff before hitting the weights

[Boxing Prospect]

Did everyone know nicotine and caffeine are on the Watch List this year...that everyone allowed to use performance enhancing asthma drugs...that testing over the limit for Clenbutorol if you're Mexican can go without punishment..

Not saying Povetkin is innocent, but WADA really are a bunch of inconsistent baboons

What is the Asthma drug?
Think I might be on it
I've got an inhaler with salmeterol & fluticasone propionate.
If they're performance enhancing I might start taking a couple extra puff before hitting the weights

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... yclist-eid

In the past, asthma medications had to be cleared with doping authorities, via medical certificates. Now, any athlete can use common bronchio-dilating inhalers like salbuthamol so long as they do not exceed a certain dose.From his work with cyclists, Dickinson says, surprising numbers carry inhalers in the back pockets of their jerseys: “Cognitively, the inhaler can give you the confidence to push yourself that little bit more. Sometimes a rider will know a climb is coming, so they take a couple of puffs.”

[Kalan]

he never needed to take it in the first place. He wasn't sick or he didn't have a medical condition where he needed to have it. He is healthy! Whether it's a banned substance or not he didn't need to take it you idiot. You go ask him now if it was worth it lol.

Boy foxdog you've got to have an IQ of -56.. You're the dumbest jerk I've ever heard of. YOU don't know Povetkin and AREN'T PRIVY to his medical history. You have NO IDEA what he needed to take. If a medication is NOT on the banned list you can take it. And when they TEST YOU FOR ANY PED, if you're concentrations fall WAY BELOW the standard for that particular substance you pass the test with FLYING COLORS.. ALL of Povetkin's tests fell WELL BELOW the allowable limits so the concentrations are not going to do PIDDLY SQUEAK for him as far as performance enhancement if they ever did. Some people take caffeine as a performance enhancer because it's perfectly legal. If they banned it who knows how long you might have traces of it in your system. Boxers who were at parties were people were smoking pot tested positive. Tests are sensitive.

I GUARRANTEE you have ARSENIC in your blood right now. It's in the water just about everywhere and is a deadly poison. The amount is probably negligible and well below what would be a dangerous level for you. It's the concentration that's important. That's true of EVERY PED on the list because the average person has traces of several PED's in their body but would pass the tests anyway because their concentrations are low.

[foxdog1923]

he never needed to take it in the first place. He wasn't sick or he didn't have a medical condition where he needed to have it. He is healthy! Whether it's a banned substance or not he didn't need to take it you idiot. You go ask him now if it was worth it lol.

Boy foxdog you've got to have an IQ of -56.. You're the dumbest jerk I've ever heard of. YOU don't know Povetkin and AREN'T PRIVY to his medical history. You have NO IDEA what he needed to take.

Let me guess, you know Povetkin right? You know what he needed to take right? Oh almost forgot, and you know more about boxing than anyone here right? Lol is any of those right? youre too easy son. Your an absolute W.U.M.

[Kalan]

Let me guess, you know Povetkin right? You know what he needed to take right? Oh almost forgot, and you know more about boxing than anyone here right? Lol is any of those right?

This post really shows what a complete IDIOT your are foxdog. You refuse to address the question of whether Povetkin passed his test or not. HE DID. HE PASSED ALL OF THEM. That's the only question that's important. I never stated I was the world's foremost authority on Boxing. And I don't know Povetkin but I never made assumptions about his medical history. An idiot such as YOU did make assumptions. You're such a stupid and biased bastard I can't believe it. The only reason this is an issue is American promoters want to destroy Russia as a venue for professional Boxing so they don't have to compete and pay boxers bigger purses... So they are lying and saying he tested positive because he had an allowable trace of a drug that was very recently put on the banned list.

[foxdog1923]

Let me guess, you know Povetkin right? You know what he needed to take right? Oh almost forgot, and you know more about boxing than anyone here right? Lol is any of those right?

This post really shows what a complete IDIOT your are foxdog. You refuse to address the question of whether Povetkin passed his test or not. HE DID. HE PASSED ALL OF THEM. That's the only question that's important. I never stated I was the world's foremost authority on Boxing. And I don't know Povetkin but I never made assumptions about his medical history. An idiot such as YOU did make assumptions. You're such a stupid and biased bastard I can't believe it. The only reason this is an issue is American promoters want to destroy Russia as a venue for professional Boxing so they don't have to compete and pay boxers bigger purses... So they are lying and saying he tested positive because he had an allowable trace of a drug that was very recently put on the banned list.

I feel sorry for you lol. Just calm down, take a deep breath..now tell me why your so angry with us? You're always putting other posters down its like you have issues. Just relax and show no anger lol.

There's no fight and it I thought it was to do with Povetkin testing positive for an illegal substance but nooo...according to you its Russia/America thing. Oh dear oh dear we do we get these W.U.M?

[bigman1968]

Let me guess, you know Povetkin right? You know what he needed to take right? Oh almost forgot, and you know more about boxing than anyone here right? Lol is any of those right?

This post really shows what a complete IDIOT your are foxdog. You refuse to address the question of whether Povetkin passed his test or not. HE DID. HE PASSED ALL OF THEM. That's the only question that's important. I never stated I was the world's foremost authority on Boxing. And I don't know Povetkin but I never made assumptions about his medical history. An idiot such as YOU did make assumptions. You're such a stupid and biased bastard I can't believe it. The only reason this is an issue is American promoters want to destroy Russia as a venue for professional Boxing so they don't have to compete and pay boxers bigger purses... So they are lying and saying he tested positive because he had an allowable trace of a drug that was very recently put on the banned list.

I feel sorry for you lol. Just calm down, take a deep breath..now tell me why your so angry with us? You're always putting other posters down its like you have issues. Just relax and show no anger lol.

There's no fight and it I thought it was to do with Povetkin testing positive for an illegal substance but nooo...according to you its Russia/America thing. Oh dear oh dear we do we get these W.U.M?

The Kalan guy is a thypical Russian idiot, one of those idiotized by Russian TV.

Many Russians believe they still in a war with USA, it makes then feel great and strong . Fortunatelly, Americans don't know about the war

[davie]

Did everyone know nicotine and caffeine are on the Watch List this year...that everyone allowed to use performance enhancing asthma drugs...that testing over the limit for Clenbutorol if you're Mexican can go without punishment..

Not saying Povetkin is innocent, but WADA really are a bunch of inconsistent baboons

What is the Asthma drug?
Think I might be on it
I've got an inhaler with salmeterol & fluticasone propionate.
If they're performance enhancing I might start taking a couple extra puff before hitting the weights

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... yclist-eid

In the past, asthma medications had to be cleared with doping authorities, via medical certificates. Now, any athlete can use common bronchio-dilating inhalers like salbuthamol so long as they do not exceed a certain dose.From his work with cyclists, Dickinson says, surprising numbers carry inhalers in the back pockets of their jerseys: “Cognitively, the inhaler can give you the confidence to push yourself that little bit more. Sometimes a rider will know a climb is coming, so they take a couple of puffs.”

Ah well then I'm a proper juicer then.
My twice daily purple "Seretide" inhaler includes inhaled steroids

Inhaled steroid medications for better asthma control include:

Beclomethasone propionate (Qvar)
Budesonide (Pulmicort)
Budesonide/Formoterol (Symbicort) - a combination drug that includes a steroid and a long-acting bronchodilator drug
Fluticasone (Flovent)
Fluticasone inh powder (Arnuity Ellipta)
Fluticasone/Salmeterol (Advair) - a combination drug that includes a steroid and a long-acting bronchodilator drug

And according to that artical, my blue one I take for when I'm short of breath (and before I go on the treadmill.) is a performance enhancer too.

I maybe should stop casting aspersions about drug cheats in boxing then

[ttornado]

ALL of Povetkin's tests fell WELL BELOW the allowable limits so the concentrations

The allowable limit was removed on 1 March.

[Kalan]

The allowable limit was removed on 1 March.

Buy who???? VADA???? The organization mixed up with notorious ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte who went to prison for selling PEDs? There's always been an allowable limit for every PED.. If you have such an insignificant trace in your system from 3 years ago, that it wouldn't energize a flea, there is no reason in the World to arbitrarily remove an allowable concentration and KILL a MAJOR FIGHT unless you're just trying to destroy somebody's reputation and DESTROY a promoter and venue ... getting rid out your competition who outbid you for the fight.

[ttornado]

Buy who???? VADA???? The organization mixed up with notorious ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte who went to prison for selling PEDs? There's always been an allowable limit for every PED.. If you have such an insignificant trace in your system from 3 years ago, that it wouldn't energize a flea, there is no reason in the World to arbitrarily remove an allowable concentration and KILL a MAJOR FIGHT unless you're just trying to destroy somebody's reputation and DESTROY a promoter and venue ... getting rid out your competition who outbid you for the fight.

by WADA

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com ... ice-en.pdf

[asdfjkl]

Buy who???? VADA???? The organization mixed up with notorious ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte who went to prison for selling PEDs? There's always been an allowable limit for every PED.. If you have such an insignificant trace in your system from 3 years ago, that it wouldn't energize a flea, there is no reason in the World to arbitrarily remove an allowable concentration and KILL a MAJOR FIGHT unless you're just trying to destroy somebody's reputation and DESTROY a promoter and venue ... getting rid out your competition who outbid you for the fight.

by WADA

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com ... ice-en.pdf

If you actually read what was written in that PDF file, you would have seen that Povetkin's promoter is perfectly right by what he said. This pdf makes me even more confident Povetkin would easely win on court, as expected.

[Badhusker]

Buy who???? VADA???? The organization mixed up with notorious ex-con PED pusher Victor Conte who went to prison for selling PEDs? There's always been an allowable limit for every PED.. If you have such an insignificant trace in your system from 3 years ago, that it wouldn't energize a flea, there is no reason in the World to arbitrarily remove an allowable concentration and KILL a MAJOR FIGHT unless you're just trying to destroy somebody's reputation and DESTROY a promoter and venue ... getting rid out your competition who outbid you for the fight.

by WADA

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com ... ice-en.pdf

If you actually read what was written in that PDF file, you would have seen that Povetkin's promoter is perfectly right by what he said. This pdf makes me even more confident Povetkin would easely win on court, as expected.

The big red flag, one that no one can seem to explain, is why the 3 previous tests for Povetkin were negative, then all of a sudden one is positive. Could it be possible that a masking agent that was used didn't do its job for the most recent test? I have no idea, but the fight is cancelled, and life goes on. Hope they get Wilder a decent opponent. Can't just throw anyone in unless the WBC approves it.

[ttornado]

If you actually read what was written in that PDF file, you would have seen that Povetkin's promoter is perfectly right by what he said. This pdf makes me even more confident Povetkin would easely win on court, as expected.

If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion.
The following options may be followed, at the discretion of the Results Management
Authority when the results management is stayed:
i. The athlete continues serving his or her provisional suspension until the
excretion studies results are available and a decision can be taken.
ii. The provisional suspension is lifted. However, in this case, the athlete shall
be informed that if it is later established based on the results of the
excretion studies that he/she did take the drug on or after 1 January 2016,
(i) all the results during the period in which the provisional suspension is
lifted may be cancelled and prizes returned, and (ii) the ineligibility period
ultimately imposed is likely to start on the date of the decision (with a credit
for the provisional suspension already served).

So at this point Povetkin should be at least provisionally suspended. Wilder seems well within his rights to not to travel to Russia.

[Kalan]

So at this point Povetkin should be at least provisionally suspended. Wilder seems well within his rights to not to travel to Russia.

NO NEED for a suspension because Povetkin's concentrations were 15 X lower than the allowable amount.

"Cases where the concentration is below 1 μg/ml and the test was taken before 1 March 2016 are compatible with an intake prior to January 2016. If the anti-doping organization finds that the athlete could not reasonably have known or suspected that the substance would still be present in his/her body on or after 1 January 2016, then a finding of no fault or negligence may be made."

Obviously there is NO evidence Povetkin did anything wrong. All the stories calling him a PED freak and abuser are hate mongering against Russia and Russians in general. This whole thing is a Tempest in a Teapot. If a man has done NOTHING WRONG why smear his reputation like this???

[Ilya Muromets]

http://www.championat.com/boxing/articl ... -srok.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... XxyDU#t=38

Translation summary: The americans and their precious hype job are full of crap.

[Ilya Muromets]

.....

[ttornado]

NO NEED for a suspension because Povetkin's concentrations were 15 X lower than the allowable amount.

"Cases where the concentration is below 1 μg/ml and the test was taken before 1 March 2016 are compatible with an intake prior to January 2016. If the anti-doping organization finds that the athlete could not reasonably have known or suspected that the substance would still be present in his/her body on or after 1 January 2016, then a finding of no fault or negligence may be made."

Obviously there is NO evidence Povetkin did anything wrong. All the stories calling him a PED freak and abuser are hate mongering against Russia and Russians in general. This whole thing is a Tempest in a Teapot. If a man has done NOTHING WRONG why smear his reputation like this???

But the test was after 1 March 2016, so there is no allowable limit.

Wilder and Povetkin were scheduled for their much-anticipated fight on May 21 at the Khodynka Ice Palace in Moscow, but in a Voluntary Anti-Doping Association urine test conducted April 27 in Chekhov, Russia, Povetkin tested positive for meldonium. The test results came to light Friday when the VADA sent letters to both camps and the WBC, whose title Wilder holds, disclosing them.

The test was on 27 April 2016, almost 2 months after the allowable limit was removed.